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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:49:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:51:34 PM EDT
[#1]
They both started out good and ended up woke as shit.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:53:02 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They both started out good and ended up woke as shit. Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks are not that bad, considering today's environment. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:56:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks are not that bad, considering today's environment. I'm guessing those ones don't feature Stacey "M1A2 Main Battle Tank" Abrams? I'm afraid to even start watching any of the new stuff... |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 7:56:43 PM EDT
[#4]
the expanse ruined all other space battles forever.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:13:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Star Wars. Although the starships may or may not be comparable to the star destroyers, the empire was able to build two expensive, though flawed, Death Stars. The Empire also used the Force (depending on midichlorian levels). Star Wars was more warlike (both the Empire and the Rebels). Large Star destroyers were always flanked by smaller vessels and usually possessed smaller, single/double manned fighters. In contrast, Star Trek vessels had several small, boxy shuttles. Overall, I'd put my money on Star Wars.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:17:11 PM EDT
[#6]
Whoever can beam an antimatter torpedo on the others bridge wins.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:20:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Everything after DS9 is mostly shit.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:27:23 PM EDT
[#8]
star trek federation is the liberal fantasy of how communism and global government would actually work.
star wars empire is how it would actually work. corrupt, evil, most people are dirt poor scavenging tech from previous generations. you can't really appreciate one without the other |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:32:35 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the expanse ruined all other space battles forever. https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/TE_loose_matl_ez1.gif This. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:35:24 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the expanse ruined all other space battles forever. https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/TE_loose_matl_ez1.gif Yes, yes it did. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:38:53 PM EDT
[#11]
{Yoda voice on}
Full of shit you are A homo the OP is {Yoda voice off} I kid OP, they’re both great in their own ways. I’ve just watched a bunch more of the Star Wars stuff so I’m biased. I haven’t followed Star Trek in ages, TNG was the last show I regularly watched. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:39:52 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the expanse ruined all other space battles forever. https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/TE_loose_matl_ez1.gif bsg did that 20 years ago but i agree the expanse was really good. it faded a bit towards the end though. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:41:31 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everything after DS9 is mostly shit. Nah. Voyager and Enterprise are actually quite good. I thought Enterprise was shit 20 years ago but it REALLY grows on you. The absolute awfulness of modern trek really makes these older shows far more palpable. DS9 was amazing though. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:48:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Trek (The Federation) is an exploratory mission. Wars (The Empire) is a conquering mission.
Wars > Trek |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:50:29 PM EDT
[#15]
I'll take SW over ST. Space communists didn't do it for me unless we're talking DS9.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:54:23 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah. Voyager and Enterprise are actually quite good. I thought Enterprise was shit 20 years ago but it REALLY grows on you. The absolute awfulness of modern trek really makes these older shows far more palpable. DS9 was amazing though. The last season of enterprise was ok |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:55:01 PM EDT
[#17]
Trek had transporters, wars did not. just transporter onto wars ships, set charges, beamed out, blown up...wars had no way to stop them.
Series vs series, I thought universe vs universe, against each other. My bad, Dain Bramage. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:55:06 PM EDT
[#18]
Lol
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:57:13 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trek had transporters, wars did not. just transporter onto wars ships, set charges, beamed out, blown up...wars had no way to stop them. They actually did that on Stargate SG1 "Wait... we have transporters, rights? Lets just beam hydrogen bombs onto the enemy ship." |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 8:59:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah. Voyager and Enterprise are actually quite good. I thought Enterprise was shit 20 years ago but it REALLY grows on you. The absolute awfulness of modern trek really makes these older shows far more palpable. DS9 was amazing though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everything after DS9 is mostly shit. Nah. Voyager and Enterprise are actually quite good. I thought Enterprise was shit 20 years ago but it REALLY grows on you. The absolute awfulness of modern trek really makes these older shows far more palpable. DS9 was amazing though. I agree with this despite what most seem to say. Especially Enterprise. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:15:48 PM EDT
[#21]
 Star Wars Vs Star Trek: The Empire INVADES the FEDERATION!! Part 1 of 2  Star Wars vs Star Trek: The Empire at War with The Federation!! Part 2 of 2 |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:24:37 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the expanse ruined all other space battles forever. https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/TE_loose_matl_ez1.gif The Expanse originally started as a tabletop role playing game, then the guys working on it decided to turn it into a series of novels instead. It’s certainly to the harder side of science fiction than much of what is available. There are a few niggly bits like how The Epstein Drive kinda violates the laws of physics and the Protomolecule outright violates the laws of physics. But I think they did a good job with it. That said, I think that once we start hauling hundreds of tons of cargo to low Earth orbit on the relatively cheap, the story that will play out then will be something far grander than any currently existing science fiction universe. Excepting perhaps Warhammer 40,000. As for the BSG reboot. It had decent space battles, but they never went on long enough for my taste. What made it awful it for me was the characters. With the exceptions of Admiral Adama, Sam Anders and sometimes Athena. Everyone on that show didn’t really seem like a sentient entity. They seemed like a badly malfunctioning killbot in a human costume. Whatever ending it had was probably destined to be a pile of utter nonsense. Concerning Trek and Wars. I’m done with both of those fictional universes. Kennedy, Johnson and Abrams methodically destroyed Star Wars and Star Trek was spluttering for years. STD was the final nail in the coffin. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:29:39 PM EDT
[#23]
I like both but Warhammer 40,000 = best sci-fi
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:37:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the expanse ruined all other space battles forever. https://filmschoolrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/TE_loose_matl_ez1.gif laughs in BSG. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:38:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:41:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like both but Warhammer 40,000 = best sci-fi It’s a very interesting universe. Unfortunate that Games Workshop has to make a point of suing the pants off of anyone who does anything with that IP without their expressed written permission. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:45:07 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah. Voyager and Enterprise are actually quite good. I thought Enterprise was shit 20 years ago but it REALLY grows on you. The absolute awfulness of modern trek really makes these older shows far more palpable. DS9 was amazing though. Loved Enterprise. Linda Park did it for me. Grace Park on BSG worked too. I ended up married to a Sharon clone. 
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:45:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:46:38 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Loved Enterprise. Linda Park did it for me. Grace Park on BSG worked too. I ended up married to a Sharon clone. I am a weak man and Jolene Blalock's rack did it for me.  BSG was good stuff in that time too. Hard to really complain too much with respect to SCIFI in the 90s and early 2000s. I even liked Space Above and Beyond. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:48:22 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They both started out good and ended up woke as shit. Andor |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:53:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Reavers, they made them.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:56:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: laughs in BSG. I really like BSG because the effort they put into to world building and lore where it comes to the colonial miliitary. it makes you feel like that its something that could happen. you can tell theres a point where the creative direction of the show changes after the kobol arc, but its still my favorite show scifi wise, right up until the last episode. if you were to only look at the first two seasons of the expanse it would be the best scifi show ever made. it goes downhill fast imho. it would jump up a notch if they airlocked naomi. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:56:57 PM EDT
[#33]
a challenger appears!
 "Star Wars" directed by Stanley Kubrick? |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 9:59:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trek had transporters, wars did not. just transporter onto wars ships, set charges, beamed out, blown up...wars had no way to stop them. Series vs series, I thought universe vs universe, against each other. My bad, Dain Bramage. Except for the fact that unless plot armor requires it, transporters do not work through shields (SFB G8.21) which Star Wars ships have. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:01:45 PM EDT
[#35]
Trek is far better than those sword-fightin' Wars people.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:02:40 PM EDT
[#36]
When galactica exits the nebula and turns sideways at ragnar anchorage and unleashes all hell while the civilian fleet escape I got a boner.
 The Fleet Prepares To Jump | Battlestar Galactica | Science Fiction Station when galactica jumps into the atmosphere, launches its planes, and then jumps back out just above the ground. skeet skeet skeet gd.  Battlestar Galactica | Galactica Tricks The Cylons plus the war drums. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:02:48 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with this despite what most seem to say. Especially Enterprise. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everything after DS9 is mostly shit. Nah. Voyager and Enterprise are actually quite good. I thought Enterprise was shit 20 years ago but it REALLY grows on you. The absolute awfulness of modern trek really makes these older shows far more palpable. DS9 was amazing though. I agree with this despite what most seem to say. Especially Enterprise. Enterprise should have been better, except for the felt compelled to go to time travel right away as their story arc. Voyager should have been better, expect they forgot that they forgot they were on the other side of the galaxy and managed to do things like definitely lose 10 of their 2 shuttlecraft and expend at least 93 of their 40 photon torpedoes. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:07:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Star Wars > Star Trek, but I enjoy both. Not the new woke shit, but good stuff.
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:08:31 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Star Wars > Star Trek, but I enjoy both. Not the new woke shit, but good stuff. This man is correct. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:09:36 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Enterprise should have been better, except for the felt compelled to go to time travel right away as their story arc. Voyager should have been better, expect they forgot that they forgot they were on the other side of the galaxy and managed to do things like definitely lose 10 of their 2 shuttlecraft and expend at least 93 of their 40 photon torpedoes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everything after DS9 is mostly shit. Nah. Voyager and Enterprise are actually quite good. I thought Enterprise was shit 20 years ago but it REALLY grows on you. The absolute awfulness of modern trek really makes these older shows far more palpable. DS9 was amazing though. I agree with this despite what most seem to say. Especially Enterprise. Enterprise should have been better, except for the felt compelled to go to time travel right away as their story arc. Voyager should have been better, expect they forgot that they forgot they were on the other side of the galaxy and managed to do things like definitely lose 10 of their 2 shuttlecraft and expend at least 93 of their 40 photon torpedoes. Enterprise was OK. I could not get into Voyager, I couldn't get past the first season. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:13:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Gate > Trek > Wars
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:14:24 PM EDT
[#42]
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:14:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryThat was fucking amazing! |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:16:25 PM EDT
[#44]
I like them all.
As for the BSG vs. Expanse realism debate. BSG gets the win for coolest battles, while Expanse gets the win for the most fascinating battles. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:17:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Star Wars is a rip-off of Dune
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:19:30 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Star Wars is a rip-off of Dune But better. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:26:59 PM EDT
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This is not a tough one if you think about. Let’s start by stack ranking the movies. It is widely thought that TRoK is the best Trek movie, and TESB is the best Wars movie. It’s tough to call a winner here, but I would give a slight edge to TRoK. The next tier of movies would be Undiscovered Country and maybe First Contact vs A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. I think overall the edge goes to Wars here. Then the next tier of movies would be Trek III, IV, I, reboots vs absolute trash from Wars, the one exception being Rogue One. Sure there is trash from Trek, but even V had some memorable moments (what does God need with a star ship, Uhura’s dance) vs fucking Jar Jar Binks. Hell, the 45 minutes of showing the Enterprise in I is better than the most recent Wars movies. Trek pulls away here.
For TV, trek clobbers wars. DS9, Original Series vs Clone Wars. Next tier would be Next Generation vs what, Mando? That got ruined by wokeness when it could have been great. Overall, Trek wins out. Wars are 2 great movies, one good one (RotJ, which I think is overrated and is hurt by Ewoks), and one good TV series vs 2 great movies, a handful of good ones, and several TV series that are really good. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:35:05 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is not a tough one if you think about. Let’s start by stack ranking the movies. It is widely thought that TRoK is the best Trek movie, and TESB is the best Wars movie. It’s tough to call a winner here, but I would give a slight edge to TRoK. The next tier of movies would be Undiscovered Country and maybe First Contact vs A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. I think overall the edge goes to Wars here. Then the next tier of movies would be Trek III, IV, I, reboots vs absolute trash from Wars. Sure there is trash from Trek, but even V had some memorable moments (what does God need with a star ship, Uhura’s dance) vs fucking Jar Jar Binks. Trek pulls away here. For TV, trek clobbers wars. DS9, Original Series vs Clone Wars. Next tier would be Next Generation vs what, Mando? That got ruined by wokeness when it could have been great. Overall, Trek wins out. Wars are 2 great movies, one good one (RotJ, which I think is overrated and is hurt by Ewoks), and one good TV series vs 2 great movies, a handful of good ones, and several TV series that are really good. ROTS is way better than Search for Spock and time traveling whales. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:37:40 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ROTS is way better than Search for Spock and time traveling whales. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is not a tough one if you think about. Let’s start by stack ranking the movies. It is widely thought that TRoK is the best Trek movie, and TESB is the best Wars movie. It’s tough to call a winner here, but I would give a slight edge to TRoK. The next tier of movies would be Undiscovered Country and maybe First Contact vs A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. I think overall the edge goes to Wars here. Then the next tier of movies would be Trek III, IV, I, reboots vs absolute trash from Wars. Sure there is trash from Trek, but even V had some memorable moments (what does God need with a star ship, Uhura’s dance) vs fucking Jar Jar Binks. Trek pulls away here. For TV, trek clobbers wars. DS9, Original Series vs Clone Wars. Next tier would be Next Generation vs what, Mando? That got ruined by wokeness when it could have been great. Overall, Trek wins out. Wars are 2 great movies, one good one (RotJ, which I think is overrated and is hurt by Ewoks), and one good TV series vs 2 great movies, a handful of good ones, and several TV series that are really good. ROTS is way better than Search for Spock and time traveling whales. First, I did edit my post to include Rogue One. Second, no way. SFS is heads and shoulders better in acting, plot, everything. ROTS is a fucking turd of a movie. Watch RedLetterMedia for an in depth analysis on why. |
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Posted: 1/27/2023 10:38:14 PM EDT
[#50]
I’ve always wanted a real lightsaber, I’ve never wanted a tv remote that shoots lasers.
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