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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:37:34 AM EDT
Interesting the prop isn't covered, normally these are kept hidden as prop design is considered a classified technology.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/12/admiralty-shipyard-launches-3rd-lada-class-submarine-velikie-luki/   
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:38:48 AM EDT
[#1]
Hopefully they forgot to put the plug in
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:39:14 AM EDT
[#2]
Fuck Russia
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:41:25 AM EDT
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It's an upgraded Kilo-class. The prop is probably not even the oldest or more commonly known piece of tech on it.
Which, that tells you where Russian manufacturing is - they've cranked out three diesel-electric subs. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:41:37 AM EDT
[#4]
In before....
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:46:44 AM EDT
[#5]
7 bladed scimitar screw is pretty standard as far as open designs go.
They are more efficient but noisier than pump jets. Virginias are all pump jets, so that should tell you something. That being said the Lada class are pretty quiet. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:48:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7 bladed scimitar screw is pretty standard as far as open designs go. They are more efficient but noisier than pump jets. Virginias are all pump jets, so that should tell you something. That being said the Lada class are pretty quiet. A pump jet, like a caterpillar drive? |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:50:09 AM EDT
[#7]
Russia's newest reef.
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:53:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: A pump jet, like a caterpillar drive? One ping only. Quoted: Russia's newest reef.  |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:53:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A pump jet, like a caterpillar drive? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 7 bladed scimitar screw is pretty standard as far as open designs go. They are more efficient but noisier than pump jets. Virginias are all pump jets, so that should tell you something. That being said the Lada class are pretty quiet. A pump jet, like a caterpillar drive? is that like whales humping? |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:55:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A pump jet, like a caterpillar drive? Lots of blades in a shrouded duct. 9 blades maybe....or 11...odd number for harmonic reasons. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:57:40 AM EDT
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They are concealing part of it…you can see a similar part(I have no clue what it’s called) uncovered here, projecting out of the center of the propeller.
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Posted: 12/24/2022 1:58:51 AM EDT
[#12]
Velikie Luki is the thing to say, on a bright Hawaiian Christmas Day…Fuck Russia
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:01:15 AM EDT
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So, another 10 years until they commission it. If it doesn’t catch fire before that.
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:05:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:05:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, another 10 years until they commission it. If it doesn’t catch fire before that. Typical for Russia. Their ships turn into submarines and their submarines sit at or above the surface |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:09:54 AM EDT
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They should go ahead and toss it in the bay, it's going to sink the first time someone flushes a toilet anyways
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:18:17 AM EDT
[#17]
The center of the prop is covered.
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:18:40 AM EDT
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Good. By all means, Russia should spend their military budget on the diminishing return of yet one more of these useless things, and avoid investing in things like: fuel trucks, training, artillery, or ground-force communications gear.
When's the last time a navy said: "Whew! Good thing we had those subs - that made the difference and now we won the war" ? |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:23:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: is that like whales humping? Or a seismic anomaly. Quoted: They are concealing part of it…you can see a similar part(I have no clue what it’s called) uncovered here, projecting out of the center of the propeller. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/321106/FA41101A-206F-43DF-B056-B6295C868BB6_jpe-2646745.JPG It’s called a vortex diffuser. You can see them installed on the 212 types all the time. It reduces the vortex and possible cavitation at the hub. Not secret and a parallel to cap fins on commercial vessels for decades. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:29:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or a seismic anomaly. It's called a vortex diffuser. You can see them installed on the 212 types all the time. It reduces the vortex and possible cavitation at the hub. Not secret and a parallel to cap fins on commercial vessels for decades. The 7 bladed schimitar has been the standard for decades. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:34:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:… When's the last time a navy said: "Whew! Good thing we had those subs - that made the difference and now we won the war" ? The last time that happened was the last time subs were involved in a broad maritime war - WWII. US Pacific Fleet subs ravaged Japanese maritime shipping and strangled the economy long before it could be brought under effective siege by other means. Our attack subs sank 1/3 of their navy and over 1/2 of their merchant ships - not air or surface combatants. It did so at a vastly lower cost in lives and money than any other means and shortened the war. Same holds true now pretty much - if we got in a war with China our attack fleet is absolutely critical. Same with a conflict with Russia. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:37:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The last time that happened was the last time subs were involved in a broad maritime war - WWII. US Pacific Fleet subs ravaged Japanese maritime shipping and strangled the economy long before it could be brought under effective siege by other means. Our attack subs sank 1/3 of their navy and over 1/2 of their merchant ships - not air or surface combatants. It did so at a vastly lower cost in lives and money than any other means and shortened the war. Same holds true now pretty much - if we got in a war with China our attack fleet is absolutely critical. Same with a conflict with Russia. I went to the submarine museum in Pearl Harbour as a kid and they had models of all the WWII boats and listed their patrols, you could also tour one moored next to the museum. When we had a walk through they had someone there who had served on it telling us about it. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:37:26 AM EDT
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It's also entirely possible it is a stand in.
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. By all means, Russia should spend their military budget on the diminishing return of yet one more of these useless things, and avoid investing in things like: fuel trucks, training, artillery, or ground-force communications gear. When's the last time a navy said: "Whew! Good thing we had those subs - that made the difference and now we won the war" ? The USN submarine fleet basically eradicated Japan's entire merchant shipping fleet during WW2. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:45:49 AM EDT
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Kilo-class export versions have transited from Iran to the Med. Those subs are a thousand times more capable than the U-boats or Gatos that strangled enemy commerce. So, nothing to sneeze at.
You're not going to do a whole fucking lot with three of them when you're maintaining a North Sea Fleet, Pacific Fleet, Baltic Fleet, and Black Sea Fleet. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:52:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Russia Yeah: the evil empire. Reagan was right! Death to Russia! Fuck these assholes with a bardwire wrapped baseball bat. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 2:53:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The USN submarine fleet basically eradicated Japan's entire merchant shipping fleet during WW2. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good. By all means, Russia should spend their military budget on the diminishing return of yet one more of these useless things, and avoid investing in things like: fuel trucks, training, artillery, or ground-force communications gear. When's the last time a navy said: "Whew! Good thing we had those subs - that made the difference and now we won the war" ? The USN submarine fleet basically eradicated Japan's entire merchant shipping fleet during WW2. Sure, 100 years ago in an open industrial sized war over the open water where other industrial scale deterrents like nuclear arsenals and guided missiles from the other side of the planet weren't an option. not saying submarines are totally useless in a Strategic warfare. Just saying we don't actually do open industrial strategic warfare any more, and when we do, yet one more billion dollar submarine at a time one doesn't have a competent ground Army, may not be the best investment. Nobody's strategic warfare plan in the 2000's is seriously going to go that far if the plan is to torpedo enemy shipping into submission; when there are rockets that will go 1000+ miles already for a lot cheaper. Having a small handful as a deterrent and for the occasional go-fuck-with-that-guy mission makes sense. Having more then that, gets to diminishing returns of value of investment real fast. How useful have these been at imposing force into the Ukraine, or embargo'ing the staggering degree of resupply? |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:02:28 AM EDT
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Lada class? Oof, named after those piece of shit cars.
Pooptin must be proud. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:03:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, 100 years ago in an open industrial sized war over the open water where other industrial scale deterrents like nuclear arsenals and guided missiles from the other side of the planet weren't an option. not saying submarines are totally useless in a Strategic warfare. Just saying we don't actually do open industrial strategic warfare any more, … We aren’t “doing it” because we aren’t at war. But we’d have to do it tomorrow if we went to war with China or Russia. A war with China would bear a LOT of similarities to WWII. You can’t put two continental powers in conflict across oceans, and think all that investment in COIN is going to pay off handsomely. You also cannot even contemplate a real war with a peer opponent w/o an overwhelming advantage in attack boats - and REAL ones - SSNs. The number required to neutralize the slbm threat is large. Russia has been cranking out Borei SSBNs for several years now and it’s a real problem. China is running a parallel crash program. The old adage that in a war a President asks “Where are the carriers?” is quaint nostalgia and has been a while. It’s actually, “Where are the Virginias?” That’s the line between success and defeat. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:18:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When's the last time a navy said: "Whew! Good thing we had those subs - that made the difference and now we won the war" ? Our sub fleet is a very important part of our Navy. The ability to fuck you up or even end the world from anywhere virtually undetected is a strong deterrent. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:20:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We aren’t “doing it” because we aren’t at war. But we’d have to do it tomorrow if we went to war with China or Russia. A war with China would bear a LOT of similarities to WWII. You can’t put two continental powers in conflict across oceans, and think all that investment in COIN is going to pay off handsomely. You also cannot even contemplate a real war with a peer opponent w/o an overwhelming advantage in attack boats - and REAL ones - SSNs. The number required to neutralize the slbm threat is large. Russia has been cranking out Borei SSBNs for several years now and it’s a real problem. China is running a parallel crash program. The old adage that in a war a President asks “Where are the carriers?” is quaint nostalgia and has been a while. It’s actually, “Where are the Virginias?” That’s the line between success and defeat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sure, 100 years ago in an open industrial sized war over the open water where other industrial scale deterrents like nuclear arsenals and guided missiles from the other side of the planet weren't an option. not saying submarines are totally useless in a Strategic warfare. Just saying we don't actually do open industrial strategic warfare any more, … We aren’t “doing it” because we aren’t at war. But we’d have to do it tomorrow if we went to war with China or Russia. A war with China would bear a LOT of similarities to WWII. You can’t put two continental powers in conflict across oceans, and think all that investment in COIN is going to pay off handsomely. You also cannot even contemplate a real war with a peer opponent w/o an overwhelming advantage in attack boats - and REAL ones - SSNs. The number required to neutralize the slbm threat is large. Russia has been cranking out Borei SSBNs for several years now and it’s a real problem. China is running a parallel crash program. The old adage that in a war a President asks “Where are the carriers?” is quaint nostalgia and has been a while. It’s actually, “Where are the Virginias?” That’s the line between success and defeat. All of which is actually a pretty good summary of the value and quite likely very true. But you have to admit, expanding the nuclear sub fleet probably isn't where Russia needs to be investing right now. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:26:36 AM EDT
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The fact that our submarines haven't sunk tonnage since WW2 is why we (USS Miami) were excited to get orders to hunt and kill an Al-Qaeda drug running ship during the Iraq war in 2003. Our morale was so high when we went to battle stations for it.
But alas, the surface fleet found her first. Yeah, shooting missiles is cool and all but every submariner wants to torpedo some shit. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:42:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: All of which is actually a pretty good summary of the value and quite likely very true. But you have to admit, expanding the nuclear sub fleet probably isn't where Russia needs to be investing right now. You’re right. It’s nuts. I posted elsewhere about the Admiral Kuznetzov catching fire (again) the other day. An intelligent reply was “Honestly a net gain to them if it burned to the waterline, and stop the waste of spending.” For them to build a lot of boats is silly, but for us it’s important. Quoted: The fact that our submarines haven't sunk tonnage since WW2 is why we (USS Miami) were excited to get orders to hunt and kill an Al-Qaeda drug running ship during the Iraq war in 2003. Our morale was so high when we went to battle stations for it. But alas, the surface fleet found her first. Yeah, shooting missiles is cool and all but every submariner wants to torpedo some shit. I’ve got to go find out about that; not familiar. Too bad you guys got short-changed. Honestly should have just stepped back and let you guys call it a SinkEx. ;) |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:44:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right. It's nuts. I posted elsewhere about the Admiral Kuznetzov catching fire (again) the other day. An intelligent reply was "Honestly a net gain to them if it burned to the waterline, and stop the waste of spending." For them to build a lot of boats is silly, but for us it's important. I've got to go find out about that; not familiar. Too bad you guys got short-changed. Honestly should have just stepped back and let you guys call it a SinkEx. ;) |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:50:17 AM EDT
[#35]
Ya sure I believe you LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:57:02 AM EDT
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What are those doors?
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:57:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was battle stations geo plotter and I encouraged the skipper to shoot it anyway. So you had a solution on a legit target? That has to be almost unique since 1945. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 3:59:57 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you had a solution on a legit target? That has to be almost unique since 1945. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 4:03:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The last time that happened was the last time subs were involved in a broad maritime war - WWII. US Pacific Fleet subs ravaged Japanese maritime shipping and strangled the economy long before it could be brought under effective siege by other means. Our attack subs sank 1/3 of their navy and over 1/2 of their merchant ships - not air or surface combatants. It did so at a vastly lower cost in lives and money than any other means and shortened the war. Same holds true now pretty much - if we got in a war with China our attack fleet is absolutely critical. Same with a conflict with Russia. If you want to stop China's shipping fleets, air dropped naval mines will get you there a lot faster than weapons deployed by 68 submarines. Subs are great when you need stealth, but bombers and naval patrol aircraft are much faster and mines are cheap and can hang around unmanned. We really need to get on the whole air deployed naval mine thing at the beginning instead of the end. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 4:30:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of which is actually a pretty good summary of the value and quite likely very true. But you have to admit, expanding the nuclear sub fleet probably isn't where Russia needs to be investing right now. They don't have the resources to do half the things they're doing. But they don't want to not produce these things at all because once they stop, it will take a generation to start them up again. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 6:19:43 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. By all means, Russia should spend their military budget on the diminishing return of yet one more of these useless things, and avoid investing in things like: fuel trucks, training, artillery, or ground-force communications gear. When's the last time a navy said: "Whew! Good thing we had those subs - that made the difference and now we won the war" ? Or tugboats. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 6:28:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nooo. It was just banter when we got word it was captured. Seems strange you would go to battle stations for 'banter.' Then again, I don't know jack shit about naval procedures. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 7:33:11 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are those doors? It's how they let the pings out. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 7:56:11 AM EDT
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In before it runs a stop sign and rams into another submarine. I have seen Russian driving videos.
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Posted: 12/24/2022 8:08:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryFew things shout "Superiority of Soviet Socialism!!" than a Russian produced version of an old FIAT design that took years of waiting on a list & being in the "Elite" to actually get. Bigger_Hammer  |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 8:19:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Naval mines dropped from heavy bombers weren't deployed until near the end of the war. They ended up being the lowest cost per ton sank in both money and lives. If you want to stop China's shipping fleets, air dropped naval mines will get you there a lot faster than weapons deployed by 68 submarines. Subs are great when you need stealth, but bombers and naval patrol aircraft are much faster and mines are cheap and can hang around unmanned. We really need to get on the whole air deployed naval mine thing at the beginning instead of the end. The mining of Haiphong harbor to deprive North Vietnam of further supplies from the Soviet Union in 1972 was a critical part of bringing the North Vietnamese back to the Peace Conference Table in Paris (along with the bombing of Hanoi & exhaustion of SAM supplies). The Navy mined the approaches with mines from A-7s & A-6s that didn't arm for 7 days to give "neutral" or "other" (Soviets & Chinese) the opportunity to exit the area safely before the mines activated. Bigger_Hammer |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 8:19:50 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Naval mines dropped from heavy bombers weren't deployed until near the end of the war. They ended up being the lowest cost per ton sank in both money and lives. If you want to stop China's shipping fleets, air dropped naval mines will get you there a lot faster than weapons deployed by 68 submarines. Subs are great when you need stealth, but bombers and naval patrol aircraft are much faster and mines are cheap and can hang around unmanned. We really need to get on the whole air deployed naval mine thing at the beginning instead of the end. I am an enormous fan of naval mines and P-8s. But P-8s can’t penetrate and loiter forever, or stealthily. As the Nine-dash line becomes a de facto thing, they can’t do the job - but nor can any single platform. Also, mines are still fairly “vehicle agnostic” and can’t be used to control things the world ALSO needs, like the Singapore and Malacca Straits and it can’t be done autonomously. I agree whole heartedly about mining early and often - just like voting in Boston. LUUVs will also be a fabulous tool in the future but just aren’t there yet from what I can understand. I noted from some vague DoD releases, that we sent a few different kinds of prototype UUVs to Ukraine, in fact. May pick up some added lessons learned vs. what we picked up during testing. |
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Posted: 12/24/2022 8:23:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Let’s remember, Russia is a continental power, their forte is land war. If their submarine prowess is anything on par with their ability to wage an orchestrated mechanized land war, the world is in trouble.
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Posted: 12/24/2022 8:25:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Velikie Luki is the thing to say, on a bright Hawaiian Christmas Day…Fuck Russia 
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Posted: 12/24/2022 8:45:33 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let’s remember, Russia is a continental power, their forte is land war. If their submarine prowess is anything on par with their ability to wage an orchestrated mechanized land war, the world is in trouble. Yep, the surface fleet is pretty much the same sorry state. But Putin spent hard the last decade + on improved, wholly new SSBNs, where bang-for-buck is large in the whole threat matrix. Six Borei class are in commission now - the Suvorov in fact just entered this week, and the next one in line launched this month and will commission next year. They laid down two more this year. Personally, one of my side aspirations for the war truly is the hard bankruptcy of the RF or it’s self-inflicted break-up so that the big missile sub push gets derailed and/or the fleet diminished. |
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