This just a suggestion and I would like some input from anyone who wants to on how to make this idea better. If you do comment please don't make this about attacking the site, mods, staff or admin. This is meant to help all of us.

If you like it say so. If you don't say why. If you want to add something please do and add why.  If you think something is wrong say why it is.


A suggestion for the grievance forum



I would like for anyone that wants to to come in here and help with the writing of rules, format and anything else that such a place will need.

Rules for the place


1 No bashing of any mod, staff or member.   This is probably the most important if such a place is to succeed.


2 It should be be open to all members and possibly banned members also.  There is no point in having discussions if relevant parties cannot attend.


3 As of right now the membership cannot overturn a decision made by mods, staff or admin. No point in trying to have a conversation if it can be undermined  by a mob.

4 What can be discussed in the forum. Its open to bans warnings and general problems.


5 What cannot be discussed here.  Membership problems. This will not be the place for problems between the general membership. That will just clog up the place and cause unneeded problems.


6 What can be done to those that cannot follow rules here. First asked to behave, second removal from thread and third if a member continues to be abusive or a consistent problem they may be removed banned from the forum. The forum will not be allowed to be used for abuse and general asshatery.


7 How long can a thread run. Threads will have one week to be discussed.  After the thread is closed unless progress is being made at which the thread may be allowed to continue.

8 What happens when a mod or staff is unavailable? If a mod or staff in unavailable then another mod or staff may step in and reply. The mod or staff that is the subject of the thread is always allowed to correct any statement of a substitute mod or staff.


9 When a member is not replying. A member is responsible for timely replies in the thread they started. If the member becomes absent repeatedly the right to post in the forum may be removed.


This was a suggestion for a change on 8



8 What happens when a mod or staff is unavailable? If a mod or staff in unavailable then another mod or staff may step in and reply. The mod or staff that is the subject of the thread is always allowed to correct any statement of a substitute mod or staff."  I think there is a distinction to be made between Staff who sets policy and Mods who execute policy. Mods should only speak to "here is the policy we execute, and here's the guidance Staff gives us about how to execute those policies."  Only Staff should speak to "here's why the policy is this way."  Think of it as the difference between cops and legislatures.  Legislature passes the law, cops enforce the law.  Each is going to have a different perspective on why the law is versus how to execute the law -- and you get nowhere arguing with a cop for a change in the law.  Similarly, you get nowhere arguing with a Mod for a change in policy.  That's Site Staff's job.

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His name was m35ben.

tl;dr

Good work Ben.  A great starter package there.  You have put considerable thought into this.

Added my responses to the quote. Thanks Ben!

Sounds like you want to unionize the membership. GD local 87?

Pass

We have to do something, this sounds like a good start. Thanks Ben.

I like it, but i'm a 2020er, so I'll defer to more established and long time members.

Something to think about.. thanks Ben...

You want a grievance forum and these are the 8 rules you would like for said forum?

That's it?

Bully-proof windows, troll-safe doors, nothing but kindness in here.

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thanks Ben

Aw what the heck. In.

What is the ultimate goal?

Its not that at all. Its a place outside of GD to address problems.

He asked for your input.  Please help.

Sounds good to me

A method for paying members to cast a vote on unbanning or keeping the ban in place may be useful. (If it has to be restricted to people with more skin in the game, Perhaps gold members or better, or 10+ years can vote?)

It’s self policing.

Its like bear pit, except its vertical instead of horizontal. Plus banned members.

Think on it

I like this premise.


Sounds reasonable.

Yes Goatboy had the name. You can suggest changes or add to it if you think something should be there

I'm here for the gangbang....JK!
Hope something good comes of this discussion

Don't they do that at one of the AK forums?

May I suggest that this new sub forum be private to only registered members and not visible to the lurkers like GD is.

Welcome

Actually pretty good. And for that this will be locked and memory holed.

To provide a place outside of GD to ask or address things with mods and staff

That's a fair idea. Not really what I think that forum should be for but still not a bad idea.

It's an idea, hopefully prevents cockpocolypses in the future.

Good start.  The question though will probably not be if the members get onboard, but will the staff and mods get onboard with it?

Wait and see i guess.

OST.

I hope so to

Thanks for having a level head, Ben.

Yes

Good idea.

I welcome there thoughts. This isn't just for members

Nice job ben, thanks for putting the thought into this.

I'll think about it and write more later.

I'm trying to be fair on this

I have a suggestion.

Make a "friends" button, so that if two people both friend each other, it shows up as friends. But you won't get notified unless you both mutually click eachother's friends buttons.

REPEAT:  it's not like a friend request, so you won't be notified if somebody sends a friend invite.

I can think of many members I would like to friend.

Please do

I think this would be a good idea, as long as staff and moderators aren’t allowed to move threads into the grievance forum.  I wouldn’t want it to become a dumping place for threads they don’t want to deal with in GD.

I want it to be as fair to staff as members. It has to be a two way street.

Then bans would just be a popularity contest.

You could break rules all day long if you had enough folks in your corner.

I dont think that would fly.

I like these 8 better:

1. You will obey the code of conduct  without question.


2. Punishment shall be swift.


3. Mercy is for the weak.


4. Trolling will defeat reason.


5. Your allegiance is to the forum.


6. Justice can be dictated.


7. Any Team member may challenge for leadership of the Forum.


8. There is only one penalty - BAN!

Good suggestion

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I need to think about it more before I have an opinion.

Thank you taking the effort and time.

I don't see why they would.