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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:56:59 PM EDT
[#1]
I would appreciate that kinda transparency in my line of work
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:57:15 PM EDT
[#2]
or IPO and...
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Posted: 11/30/2021 9:58:43 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: or IPO and... Or sell Tesla stock. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:01:57 PM EDT
[#4]
So without .gov Tesla would have failed?
Who knew people don't really want EVs... |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:02:40 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or sell Tesla stock. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: or IPO and... Or sell Tesla stock. And dogecoin. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:03:49 PM EDT
[#6]
I do not believe the validity of this article from Gizmodo, anyone see other sources ?
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:03:54 PM EDT
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Given that he makes a tweet qualifying that scenario and referring to it as "not impossible" and indicating that he believes it is paranoid but addressing the possibility in the event of a recession, the tone of the article seems a bit hyperbolic, and the tone of the email appears a bit speculative.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:04:14 PM EDT
[#8]
Sell Tesla to Ford. Focus on SpaceX.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:04:14 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would appreciate that kinda transparency in my line of work Seems like the clarity surfaced after the departure of senior personnel. What business controls should be in place to ensure clarity of program progress and financials? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:05:05 PM EDT
[#10]
The only feasible way of populating other planets/systems, is with a compact set of AI surrogates that care/foster our DNA.
Once we become established on other planets, maybe we can beam ourselves or consciousness at light speed using relays to ensure integrity. There's no way for humans to populate the galaxy except for AI bots to farm/host the environment, then raise us from seeds when the time is right. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:05:09 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not believe the validity of this article from Gizmodo, anyone see other sources ? The email, obtained by SpaceExplored, CNBC, and The Verge, |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:08:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like the clarity surfaced after the departure of senior personnel. What business controls should be in place to ensure clarity of program progress and financials? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would appreciate that kinda transparency in my line of work Seems like the clarity surfaced after the departure of senior personnel. What business controls should be in place to ensure clarity of program progress and financials? When this happens to the previous administrators, but without the KY wrestling co-eds, the new ones will be less likely to cook the books?  Old School - Van kidnapping Kharn |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:09:25 PM EDT
[#13]
I don't have a problem with the email. It's a "hey we need to get our shit together" moment.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not believe the validity of this article from Gizmodo, anyone see other sources ? Its legit. They have a lot riding on the raptor working and their ability to mass produce them. Elon has plenty of cash so it isn't an issue but if that rocket doesn't work or they can't make enough of them they will have issues. The raptor is hugely complex and the only one of its kind. A bit of the issue is they are so good at getting stuff to orbit with falcon there isnt much to get to orbit anymore until companies catch up. Elon I think got a little surprised by the state of raptor progress but he is also exaggerating to motivate his employees. They are also trying to build a complex "new" rocket engine in mass quantities. Not a trivial undertaking. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:14:33 PM EDT
[#15]
Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power.
They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:15:10 PM EDT
[#16]
They don’t need the Raptor, they could just work on designing a more cost efficient Falcon 9 with a reusable second stage.
Cut the Starship (and it’s crew) and continue to collect that sweet Starlink income. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:17:09 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. Incredibly short sighted |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:17:51 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't need the Raptor, they could just work on designing a more cost efficient Falcon 9 with a reusable second stage. Cut the Starship (and it's crew) and continue to collect that sweet Starlink income. Starlink v2 is the issue. Much bigger than V1 also more profitable. It doesnt work with falcon. They are bottlenecked with building terminals now. They are spending a huge amount to build a shit ton of them. But they need the V2 sats to make starlink really profitable. And they need starship to launch it. I think they were saying they needed 30k sats for it to be complete. Starship can hold 400 each launch and deliver them to their orbits much quicker. Everything in the future hinges on starship and starship needs raptors. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:18:03 PM EDT
[#19]
All part of his game, he knows exactly how his controlled message will affect his money.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:18:20 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. There is an infinite amount of money floating around up there. Space mining is the future and step 1 to interplanetary travel becoming feasible. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:18:47 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. Problem is we will never fix our problems at home. Our need to expand past this rock is more important than ever, once the left consolidates absolute power do you really think they will look at space outside of some probes and telescopes? You can’t control people you can’t reach. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:20:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sell Tesla to Ford. Focus on SpaceX. Tesla is valued at 13x Ford market cap. How could Ford buy it?? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:22:53 PM EDT
[#23]
Did I make it in before the Luddites and Musk haters or the space exploration is stupid and a waste of money people?
ETA Nope |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:23:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. Good thing the pilgrims didn't think like you. The future is out there. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:27:24 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Problem is we will never fix our problems at home. Our need to expand past this rock is more important than ever, once the left consolidates absolute power do you really think they will look at space outside of some probes and telescopes? You can’t control people you can’t reach. Everyone aspires to exploration, but this is it. It's futile, look at the numbers. The only way to "leave" this planet is to send countless seed satellites to "colonize" another planet. That bullshit sci-fi traveling star systems and creating a colony is just that, bullshit. There is no star colony, it's literally impossible. You can't communicate with star systems, there is nothing out there, it's truly impossible. There is just us right here, there is nothing else and will be nothing else for us. We could send ourselves to other systems, but that doesn't matter, there is literally just us right here, right now, and that's all there will ever be. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:29:42 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only feasible way of populating other planets/systems, is with a compact set of AI surrogates that care/foster our DNA. Once we become established on other planets, maybe we can beam ourselves or consciousness at light speed using relays to ensure integrity. There's no way for humans to populate the galaxy except for AI bots to farm/host the environment, then raise us from seeds when the time is right. He knows this. There is something they want close enough to get is reason it’s being worked on. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:30:12 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Starlink v2 is the issue. Much bigger than V1 also more profitable. It doesnt work with falcon. They are bottlenecked with building terminals now. They are spending a huge amount to build a shit ton of them. But they need the V2 sats to make starlink really profitable. And they need starship to launch it. I think they were saying they needed 30k sats for it to be complete. Starship can hold 400 each launch and deliver them to their orbits much quicker. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They don't need the Raptor, they could just work on designing a more cost efficient Falcon 9 with a reusable second stage. Cut the Starship (and it's crew) and continue to collect that sweet Starlink income. Starlink v2 is the issue. Much bigger than V1 also more profitable. It doesnt work with falcon. They are bottlenecked with building terminals now. They are spending a huge amount to build a shit ton of them. But they need the V2 sats to make starlink really profitable. And they need starship to launch it. I think they were saying they needed 30k sats for it to be complete. Starship can hold 400 each launch and deliver them to their orbits much quicker. If the laser takes up that much more space then... launch fewer. Let’s be honest, the Starship is essentially a rich man’s pipe dream... |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:30:54 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good thing the pilgrims didn't think like you. The future is out there. Look at the "math." I didn't say humans can't populate other planets, I'm saying WE can't ever venture to space. The energy and time required is unbelievable. You can live in your sci-fi tv episode all you want. Fact is, you can create life on other worlds, to do that I think you need to create an ultimate AI foster parent/world builder. Then when you've send all of your world builders and AI care takers + our DNA, you'll end up with the same bullshit we have here. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:31:48 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone aspires to exploration, but this is it. It's futile, look at the numbers. The only way to "leave" this planet is to send countless seed satellites to "colonize" another planet. That bullshit sci-fi traveling star systems and creating a colony is just that, bullshit. There is no star colony, it's literally impossible. You can't communicate with star systems, there is nothing out there, it's truly impossible. There is just us right here, there is nothing else and will be nothing else for us. We could send ourselves to other systems, but that doesn't matter, there is literally just us right here, right now, and that's all there will ever be. Sailing across the ocean is truly impossible you will sail right off the edge of the earth! |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:32:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the laser takes up that much more space then... launch fewer. Let’s be honest, the Starship is essentially a rich man’s pipe dream... its not a pipe dream. what they have now would be probably 1/20- the cost of SLS even if they never successfully land it. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:32:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. There is a kernel of truth in there; most space exploration really has very little practical benefit to us here. However: 1). There is no reason to believe anything on earth would be any better off if every dollar spent on space was spent elsewhere. It’s a drop in the bucket that would’ve been misspent on pork somewhere else. 2). There is potentially a huge benefit for things like asteroid mining (or deflection for earth-killing ones). They might be far off, but not impossible, and the only way to get there is our current stepping stones. 3). “You don’t know what you don’t know”. There is always the potential of a massive, unforeseen breakthrough that could drastically impact humanity. What if experiments with EMdrive, or the LIGO project, or whatever suddenly unexpectedly unlocked antigravity or totally new methods of propulsion? Looking to space might be the only way it ever happens. 4). The pictures are real cool 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:32:23 PM EDT
[#32]
I’m paranoid and suspicious.
I think someone’s working some kind of angle. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:32:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:33:26 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only feasible way of populating other planets/systems, is with a compact set of AI surrogates that care/foster our DNA. Once we become established on other planets, maybe we can beam ourselves or consciousness at light speed using relays to ensure integrity. There's no way for humans to populate the galaxy except for AI bots to farm/host the environment, then raise us from seeds when the time is right.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:33:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. ok boomer |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:35:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sailing across the ocean is truly impossible you will sail right off the edge of the earth! You do realize they didn't think that, and were incredible experts in their field? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:35:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So without .gov Tesla would have failed? Who knew people don't really want EVs... I think they are all sold in Nashville. It’s the new Accord here. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:37:18 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only feasible way of populating other planets/systems, is with a compact set of AI surrogates that care/foster our DNA. Once we become established on other planets, maybe we can beam ourselves or consciousness at light speed using relays to ensure integrity. There's no way for humans to populate the galaxy except for AI bots to farm/host the environment, then raise us from seeds when the time is right. You should write sci-fi. Really. I’m not shading. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:37:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So without .gov Tesla would have failed? Who knew people don't really want EVs... I've been yelling that from the rooftops for the longest.... Same for Bezos, Google, Zuckerberg, Wally-Mart. You get in bed with .gov and get rich off of the backs of us taxpayers. Fuck all of them. They can't take their riches to hell with them and/or bargain with God. But no, guaranteed on here Arfcom, the worship of Elon remains strong 
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:37:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Posturing for more $$
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:38:09 PM EDT
[#41]
It's hard to put a # on the true cost to complete the transformation that Musk is attempting. My best guess is around 5-6x the world GDP. Fool hardy but it needs to be done.
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:38:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone aspires to exploration, but this is it. It's futile, look at the numbers. The only way to "leave" this planet is to send countless seed satellites to "colonize" another planet. That bullshit sci-fi traveling star systems and creating a colony is just that, bullshit. There is no star colony, it's literally impossible. You can't communicate with star systems, there is nothing out there, it's truly impossible. There is just us right here, there is nothing else and will be nothing else for us. We could send ourselves to other systems, but that doesn't matter, there is literally just us right here, right now, and that's all there will ever be. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Problem is we will never fix our problems at home. Our need to expand past this rock is more important than ever, once the left consolidates absolute power do you really think they will look at space outside of some probes and telescopes? You can’t control people you can’t reach. Everyone aspires to exploration, but this is it. It's futile, look at the numbers. The only way to "leave" this planet is to send countless seed satellites to "colonize" another planet. That bullshit sci-fi traveling star systems and creating a colony is just that, bullshit. There is no star colony, it's literally impossible. You can't communicate with star systems, there is nothing out there, it's truly impossible. There is just us right here, there is nothing else and will be nothing else for us. We could send ourselves to other systems, but that doesn't matter, there is literally just us right here, right now, and that's all there will ever be. Your kind has existed throughout history. You’ve always been wrong. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:38:32 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Given that he makes a tweet qualifying that scenario and referring to it as "not impossible" and indicating that he believes it is paranoid but addressing the possibility in the event of a recession, the tone of the article seems a bit hyperbolic, and the tone of the email appears a bit speculative. Gizmodo is hyperbolic clickbait?????? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:39:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryI don't understand, I think I'm positing realistic things here. Do you believe you will be on a ship traveling at light speed to another solar system? |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:39:41 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. Agreed... God put us here on Earth and we all - including this planet and everything on it will DIE!!! Why people waste so much time and money on trying to prolong their existence on this joke of a world is beyond me. Our goal should be heaven after Judgment Day.... |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:40:18 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You should write sci-fi. Really. I’m not shading. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only feasible way of populating other planets/systems, is with a compact set of AI surrogates that care/foster our DNA. Once we become established on other planets, maybe we can beam ourselves or consciousness at light speed using relays to ensure integrity. There's no way for humans to populate the galaxy except for AI bots to farm/host the environment, then raise us from seeds when the time is right. You should write sci-fi. Really. I’m not shading.  Ripped it off from Arthur C. Clarke. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:40:42 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. Humans have literally "tried to fix their problems at home" since forever. And just because the scientific discoveries aren't there yet for sci-fi space travel doesn't mean it's never in the cards for the future. There was a point in our history where the horizon was the edge of the Earth, and everyone knew it. That was science, until it wasn't. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:40:55 PM EDT
[#48]
"Musk advised workers to cut their holiday weekend short...:
Great management. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:41:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand, I think I'm positing realistic things here. Do you believe you will be on a ship traveling at light speed to another solar system? Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand, I think I'm positing realistic things here. Do you believe you will be on a ship traveling at light speed to another solar system? No me but somebody will. |
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Posted: 11/30/2021 10:42:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed... God put us here on Earth and we all - including this planet and everything on it will DIE!!! Why people waste so much time and money on trying to prolong their existence on this joke of a world is beyond me. Our goal should be heaven after Judgment Day.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Space exploration is wrong right now, total waste of resources and man power. They claim to know all this cool shit from telescopes and everything is so incredibly out of reach it's worthless. Unless we fix our problems at home, who gives a shit that it would take millions of years of travel to our closest star, or whatever the number is because it doesn't matter. We're stuck here, the other planets aren't habitable. If you want to expend our entire planet to habit mars, go for it, I don't care. You literally need to expend our planet to inhabit mars. Agreed... God put us here on Earth and we all - including this planet and everything on it will DIE!!! Why people waste so much time and money on trying to prolong their existence on this joke of a world is beyond me. Our goal should be heaven after Judgment Day.... I want to party with you! |
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