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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
It says it's been moved, but the link just takes me to the Community page. What gives?


This is now the active "shit (might be) is definitely happening in Ukraine" thread.

News links, thanks to BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH

Kyiv Post

Ukrainian News

UKRInform

EUROMAIDEN PRESS

New Voice of Ukraine

Kyiv Independent

Ukraine World

InterFax Ukraine

UATV

Ukrainian Journal

Official Website of the President of Ukraine

Ukrainian Ministry of Defense

Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often.
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Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise.

New news link c/o berettaguy:

Ukrainian Pravda
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/

Stop fake, anti - disinformation site:
https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:00:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Everybodygotone:


What's with the bold? Are you yelling in type?
Look at the sources. Derp.
Some people are more concerned about what's going on in our own country.
Ukraine outrage is the new covid fear porn.
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Originally Posted By Everybodygotone:
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:

WTF

I trust Jesus Christ as my personal savior so someone needs to fill me in on this stupid from some obviously demented people.

Anyone who can not see Vladimir Putin is a demonic sociopath madman allied with Satan is mentally deranged
No matter republican or democrat any such stupid should result in the immediate expulsion from either political party!!

The only thing this piece of shit is doing for Russians is sending their children to their deaths without just cause!



What's with the bold? Are you yelling in type?
Look at the sources. Derp.
Some people are more concerned about what's going on in our own country.
Ukraine outrage is the new covid fear porn.


The bold is being outraged at claiming Christianity and Putin as being together

If that offends Putin/Russian supporters well thanks for saying so
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:01:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By realwar:
Kalibr cruise missile

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That is from February...
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:02:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fxntime:


How much is shipping to Michigan?

Fed Ex or UPS?
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Originally Posted By fxntime:


How much is shipping to Michigan?

Fed Ex or UPS?


I think you have to use DHL.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:04:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dracster:
"Destroyed Russian PPRU-1 "Ovod-M-SV" (9S80) - "mobile" control point air defense regiment."


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-04-15_12-03-27_jpg-2349951.JPG
It looks like this when not blowed up.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/PPRU-1_9S80_Ovod-M-SV_19th_MRB_1_jpg-2349959.JPG

"An SBU officer plays with a kitty while detaining a collaborator"

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That's one fat cat
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:06:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:


I feel your pain! Hang in there.  It's better you know now than to find out after SHTF.
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Yes, I'm very thankful to have learned beforehand.  It's been a valuable lesson.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:06:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
MTG is a big kick in the pants

I liked her attitude...until her opinion of UA
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The way she's fucked with the House, by reading the rules and enforcing in person votes, has pissed off every swamp creature of every affiliation. I like that aspect of her. She needs to get her head out of her ass regarding Ukraine. She ain't perfect, but I'd still rather have her be my rep than the current idiot Bourdeaux.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:06:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Logcutter:


Less Q-tard stupidity here than on 24hour campfire.

They drank the commie Kool aid on bulk
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I think it's more of the "whatever people I don't like think I'll just do the exact opposite and make it my identity" thing
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:06:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Everybodygotone:



What's with the bold? Are you yelling in type?

Look at the sources. Derp.

Some people are more concerned about what's going on in our own country.

Ukraine outrage is the new covid fear porn.

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Originally Posted By Everybodygotone:
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:



WTF

I trust Jesus Christ as my personal savior so someone needs to fill me in on this stupid from some obviously demented people.

Anyone who can not see Vladimir Putin is a demonic sociopath madman allied with Satan is mentally deranged
No matter republican or democrat any such stupid should result in the immediate expulsion from either political party!!

The only thing this piece of shit is doing for Russians is sending their children to their deaths without just cause!




What's with the bold? Are you yelling in type?

Look at the sources. Derp.

Some people are more concerned about what's going on in our own country.

Ukraine outrage is the new covid fear porn.



"I don't care if the opinion is obviously false. I'm willing to hold my nose because I believe it to be beneficial to America."

Dude. Did you watch the guy rape the toddler? (They even have put a name to the face. I wish it were fake. It isn't)
Did you look at the mass graves with 50 civilians, hands tied, shot in the back of the head?
Did you see the train station? The theater bombshelter?

How is supporting that in any way beneficial to America?
How can you say you're a Christian?
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:07:45 PM EDT
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The last six weeks has shown the Russian Federation to be nothing more than a giant ICP concert that found itself in possession of a military. Like trailer trash that received an inheritance.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:09:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Yobro512:



Is Alex jones pro-kremlin in this conflict?
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Yes, he and Putin are going to stop the globalhomo conspiracy to turn frogs gay with chemtrails or something.

FAJ FVP
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:10:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:


"I don't care if the opinion is obviously false. I'm willing to hold my nose because I believe it to be beneficial to America."

Dude. Did you watch the guy rape the toddler? (They even have put a name to the face. I wish it were fake. It isn't)
Did you look at the mass graves with 50 civilians, hands tied, shot in the back of the head?
Did you see the train station? The theater bombshelter?

How is supporting that in any way beneficial to America?
How can you say you're a Christian?
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Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Originally Posted By Everybodygotone:
Originally Posted By Wulfmann:



WTF

I trust Jesus Christ as my personal savior so someone needs to fill me in on this stupid from some obviously demented people.

Anyone who can not see Vladimir Putin is a demonic sociopath madman allied with Satan is mentally deranged
No matter republican or democrat any such stupid should result in the immediate expulsion from either political party!!

The only thing this piece of shit is doing for Russians is sending their children to their deaths without just cause!




What's with the bold? Are you yelling in type?

Look at the sources. Derp.

Some people are more concerned about what's going on in our own country.

Ukraine outrage is the new covid fear porn.



"I don't care if the opinion is obviously false. I'm willing to hold my nose because I believe it to be beneficial to America."

Dude. Did you watch the guy rape the toddler? (They even have put a name to the face. I wish it were fake. It isn't)
Did you look at the mass graves with 50 civilians, hands tied, shot in the back of the head?
Did you see the train station? The theater bombshelter?

How is supporting that in any way beneficial to America?
How can you say you're a Christian?

Christian values have left the building a long time ago.
Now it's just tribalism and the belief that your side is righteous and the other side is the devil and must be stopped at all odds.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:11:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

Meh, the straight was closed weeks ago, The US was playing in Poland before the invasion. Finland and Sweden applying for nato is a direct result of russia's actions.
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Originally Posted By lorazepam:
Originally Posted By sq40:


It’s getting froggy fast.   With NATO applications by Finland and Sweden, Poland and the US wargaming, the closing of the Bosporus to warships, etc all… everyone is getting ready for shit to get worse fast.  They know it’s coming.

Meh, the straight was closed weeks ago, The US was playing in Poland before the invasion. Finland and Sweden applying for nato is a direct result of russia's actions.


These are just my thoughts,

I see the strait closure as an attempt to de escalate, but I foresee it becoming a contentious issues as both Russia and later NATO will want to get assets in the black sea.  

I agree Finland and Sweden pushing Nato membership is due to Russia.  They know they are next as this heats up.

With Poland, Biden has sent 3k troops so far.  It’s a small force, but it looks like we are possibly selling or moving M1s to Poland, maybe F16s…  I see it as the vanguard to preparing or paving the way to defending a front.
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:


I guess you feel the Rosenbergs transfering nuclear secrets to Russia were just exercising their free speech rights...
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Originally Posted By mokerr:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


Fuck



But Putin is a strong Christian who is working on saving the souls of the barbarian Ukrainians

It had to be true. I watched a video on YouTube by a guy who wears a plate carrier



I had a Q-Tard who is also a Charismatic Christian and medical doctor tell me that two days ago - he said Putin is doing us a favor by invading corrupt Ukraine and is on "our" side. He follows Pro-Putin talk show host Stew Peters and Pro-Putin Republican candidate/"researcher"/documentary film producer Lauren Witzke who have huge followings on Rumble and other internet sites. He said that all will know soon when God reveals the truth. (One could just imagine my response...)

Here are six search results for Lauren Witzke when her name is searched with "Putin":

https://i.ibb.co/NK0hbzV/Screenshot-20220414-142935-Samsung-Internet.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/sKDygGn/Screenshot-20220414-142909-Samsung-Internet.jpg

These people are influencing millions with their crap along with Alex Jones (who just ran a story yesterday that AZOV Battalion are shooting Ukrainian citizens), Paul Joseph Watson, Paul Craig Roberts, BeforeItsNews.com, Hal Turner, WhatReallyHappened.com, The Burning Platform, SteveQuayle.com, etc., etc.. Most of the so-called Patriot Right is nothing but a mouth price for Kremlin propaganda these days. Gotta give 'em credit, only took like 15 years for communists to control a large hard core segment of the American conservative right wing.


We really need to police our own on that shit.


Yes you are correct as it is having an impact. That is why you have seen me post a lot of info on this. Also, it is a federal crime to work on behalf of a foreign power without approval from the Department of State. And we did have treason laws enforced at one time in this country, but the communist founded ACLU took care of that. Many conservatives (and leftists) think that treason is protected by the 1st Amendment (it is not) and say "i MaY nOT aGGrEE wITH WhaT yOU sAY Or dO bUt wiLL dIE feR YeR RIGht tO saY iT."



Ah yes, what a shame we have a BiLl Of RiGhTs protecting free speech.


I guess you feel the Rosenbergs transfering nuclear secrets to Russia were just exercising their free speech rights...


You don't really equate the two do you? Surely not lol

Cramer v. United States

"A citizen intellectually or emotionally may favor the enemy and harbor sympathies or convictions disloyal to this country’s policy or interest, but, so long as he commits no act of aid and comfort to the enemy, there is no treason. On the other hand, a citizen may take actions which do aid and comfort the enemy—making a speech critical of the government or opposing its measures, profiteering, striking in defense plants or essential work, and the hundred other things which impair our cohesion and diminish our strength—but if there is no adherence to the enemy in this, if there is no intent to betray, there is no treason.”

So no, you can't just go silencing, jailing or killing everyone you deem to have bad opinions by screaming TREASON at them. I would much rather live in a country where people can tell lies and spread bullshit than the state determining what they can and can not say. How many leftists in the US probably think you or I are traitors?
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:13:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
The last six weeks has shown the Russian Federation to be nothing more than a giant ICP concert that found itself in possession of a military. Like trailer trash that received an inheritance.
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Man...

That's way too accurate...
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/20/55441489-10620367-On_Tuesday_night_Greene_engaged_in_a_tirade_on_Twitter_where_she-a-21_1647460862365.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOTV5zgUYAY-gIm.jpg
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Originally Posted By bikedamon:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


Fuck



But Putin is a strong Christian who is working on saving the souls of the barbarian Ukrainians

It had to be true. I watched a video on YouTube by a guy who wears a plate carrier



I had a Q-Tard who is also a Charismatic Christian and medical doctor tell me that two days ago - he said Putin is doing us a favor by invading corrupt Ukraine and is on "our" side. He follows Pro-Putin talk show host Stew Peters and Pro-Putin Republican candidate/"researcher"/documentary film producer Lauren Witzke who have huge followings on Rumble and other internet sites. He said that all will know soon when God reveals the truth. (One could just imagine my response...)

Here are six search results for Lauren Witzke when her name is searched with "Putin":

https://i.ibb.co/NK0hbzV/Screenshot-20220414-142935-Samsung-Internet.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/sKDygGn/Screenshot-20220414-142909-Samsung-Internet.jpg

These people are influencing millions with their crap along with Alex Jones (who just ran a story yesterday that AZOV Battalion are shooting Ukrainian citizens), Paul Joseph Watson, Paul Craig Roberts, BeforeItsNews.com, Hal Turner, WhatReallyHappened.com, The Burning Platform, SteveQuayle.com, etc., etc.. Most of the so-called Patriot Right is nothing but a mouth price for Kremlin propaganda these days. Gotta give 'em credit, only took like 15 years for communists to control a large hard core segment of the American conservative right wing.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/20/55441489-10620367-On_Tuesday_night_Greene_engaged_in_a_tirade_on_Twitter_where_she-a-21_1647460862365.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOTV5zgUYAY-gIm.jpg


Goddamn.  Thats AOC level stupid.
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Someone with a grasp of reality would be good.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:18:57 PM EDT
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The reply should simply read: “Aggression towards the US will result in predictable consequences.”
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:19:11 PM EDT
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Apparently the Russians lost a destroyer named Moskva, in roughly the same area of the Black Sea in 1941.



Moskva
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Originally Posted By Yobro512:



Is Alex jones pro-kremlin in this conflict?
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Originally Posted By Yobro512:
Originally Posted By Obo2:

so no specific people or acts?
if you don't want alex jones to spread a message stop fucking talking about him.



Is Alex jones pro-kremlin in this conflict?

I have seen nothing to make me think that. He thinks there is funny business going on, and corruption, but if you don't think there is any funny business or corruption then you are retarded.

A few people in this thread want to equate any mention of that or anything other than a halo over Ukraine's head with "supporting Putin" but they completely fail at logic as the two are not the same.
I hope Ukraine kicks Russias ass all the way back to Moscow, hangs Putin from a bridge by his neck, then says deal with it.
I also think there is an enormous amount of corruption between Western leaders and both Russia and Ukraine. I also don't think all Ukranians are angels. Does that mean I don't support them kicking Russias ass? Fuck no.
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Originally Posted By m35ben:
Fuck all if I know, I'm not in Georgia. Fuck lets get Extorris to run.
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Link to gofundme?
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:22:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:

so no specific people or acts?
if you don't want alex jones to spread a message stop fucking talking about him.
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Originally Posted By Obo2:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:


If an American is paid to influence the American government or people on behalf of a foreign power for the foreign power's benefit then that is a crime. If that country is an adversary of the USA then it is treason. Understand? I'm all for the leftist going to prison for this as well. It's one thing to be duped or have an opinion, its another to knowingly work against the USA.

Propaganda coming directly from the Kremlin is a BIG part of this war and it is for THIS thread.

so no specific people or acts?
if you don't want alex jones to spread a message stop fucking talking about him.

How about YOU give it a rest?

Commie infiltrators and sympathisers in the US is way more related to the war than a lot of other tangential shit.
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Originally Posted By hiyaboa:
Apparently the Russians lost a destroyer named Moskva, in roughly the same area of the Black Sea in 1941.



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How ironic.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:23:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sq40:
The reply should simply read: “Aggression towards the US will result in predictable consequences.”
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My reply would be "Bitch, please!" I am not a diplomat or official member of the US Government.
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Originally Posted By SilverBearX:

I have seen nothing to make me think that. He thinks there is funny business going on, and corruption, but if you don't think there is any funny business or corruption then you are retarded.

A few people in this thread want to equate any mention of that or anything other than a halo over Ukraine's head with "supporting Putin" but they completely fail at logic as the two are not the same.
I hope Ukraine kicks Russias ass all the way back to Moscow, hangs Putin from a bridge by his neck, then says deal with it.
I also think there is an enormous amount of corruption between Western leaders and both Russia and Ukraine. I also don't think all Ukranians are angels. Does that mean I don't support them kicking Russias ass? Fuck no.
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Originally Posted By SilverBearX:
Originally Posted By Yobro512:
Originally Posted By Obo2:

so no specific people or acts?
if you don't want alex jones to spread a message stop fucking talking about him.



Is Alex jones pro-kremlin in this conflict?

I have seen nothing to make me think that. He thinks there is funny business going on, and corruption, but if you don't think there is any funny business or corruption then you are retarded.

A few people in this thread want to equate any mention of that or anything other than a halo over Ukraine's head with "supporting Putin" but they completely fail at logic as the two are not the same.
I hope Ukraine kicks Russias ass all the way back to Moscow, hangs Putin from a bridge by his neck, then says deal with it.
I also think there is an enormous amount of corruption between Western leaders and both Russia and Ukraine. I also don't think all Ukranians are angels. Does that mean I don't support them kicking Russias ass? Fuck no.



Fair stance, but to also be fair, 99% of people that start in with the "Ukraine is corrupt" line also say "I can't choose a side because both are corrupt" which is as retarded as not being able to acknowledge every government on the planet is corrupt.
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Originally Posted By mokerr:


You don't really equate the two do you? Surely not lol

Cramer v. United States

"A citizen intellectually or emotionally may favor the enemy and harbor sympathies or convictions disloyal to this country’s policy or interest, but, so long as he commits no act of aid and comfort to the enemy, there is no treason. On the other hand, a citizen may take actions which do aid and comfort the enemy—making a speech critical of the government or opposing its measures, profiteering, striking in defense plants or essential work, and the hundred other things which impair our cohesion and diminish our strength—but if there is no adherence to the enemy in this, if there is no intent to betray, there is no treason.”

So no, you can't just go silencing, jailing or killing everyone you deem to have bad opinions by screaming TREASON at them. I would much rather live in a country where people can tell lies and spread bullshit than the state determining what they can and can not say. How many leftists in the US probably think you or I are traitors?
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By mokerr:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


Fuck



But Putin is a strong Christian who is working on saving the souls of the barbarian Ukrainians

It had to be true. I watched a video on YouTube by a guy who wears a plate carrier



I had a Q-Tard who is also a Charismatic Christian and medical doctor tell me that two days ago - he said Putin is doing us a favor by invading corrupt Ukraine and is on "our" side. He follows Pro-Putin talk show host Stew Peters and Pro-Putin Republican candidate/"researcher"/documentary film producer Lauren Witzke who have huge followings on Rumble and other internet sites. He said that all will know soon when God reveals the truth. (One could just imagine my response...)

Here are six search results for Lauren Witzke when her name is searched with "Putin":

https://i.ibb.co/NK0hbzV/Screenshot-20220414-142935-Samsung-Internet.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/sKDygGn/Screenshot-20220414-142909-Samsung-Internet.jpg

These people are influencing millions with their crap along with Alex Jones (who just ran a story yesterday that AZOV Battalion are shooting Ukrainian citizens), Paul Joseph Watson, Paul Craig Roberts, BeforeItsNews.com, Hal Turner, WhatReallyHappened.com, The Burning Platform, SteveQuayle.com, etc., etc.. Most of the so-called Patriot Right is nothing but a mouth price for Kremlin propaganda these days. Gotta give 'em credit, only took like 15 years for communists to control a large hard core segment of the American conservative right wing.


We really need to police our own on that shit.


Yes you are correct as it is having an impact. That is why you have seen me post a lot of info on this. Also, it is a federal crime to work on behalf of a foreign power without approval from the Department of State. And we did have treason laws enforced at one time in this country, but the communist founded ACLU took care of that. Many conservatives (and leftists) think that treason is protected by the 1st Amendment (it is not) and say "i MaY nOT aGGrEE wITH WhaT yOU sAY Or dO bUt wiLL dIE feR YeR RIGht tO saY iT."



Ah yes, what a shame we have a BiLl Of RiGhTs protecting free speech.


I guess you feel the Rosenbergs transfering nuclear secrets to Russia were just exercising their free speech rights...


You don't really equate the two do you? Surely not lol

Cramer v. United States

"A citizen intellectually or emotionally may favor the enemy and harbor sympathies or convictions disloyal to this country’s policy or interest, but, so long as he commits no act of aid and comfort to the enemy, there is no treason. On the other hand, a citizen may take actions which do aid and comfort the enemy—making a speech critical of the government or opposing its measures, profiteering, striking in defense plants or essential work, and the hundred other things which impair our cohesion and diminish our strength—but if there is no adherence to the enemy in this, if there is no intent to betray, there is no treason.”

So no, you can't just go silencing, jailing or killing everyone you deem to have bad opinions by screaming TREASON at them. I would much rather live in a country where people can tell lies and spread bullshit than the state determining what they can and can not say. How many leftists in the US probably think you or I are traitors?


It was an extreme example. Your comment;

"I would much rather live in a country where people can tell lies and spread bullshit than the state determining what they can and can not say.

Well, you live in that country. A country that is a mere shadow of what it was as far as freedom and morality go. The leftists have destroyed freedom under the guise of freedom. They were/are free to organize, lie about our history, hold political office, fund communist/marxist/socialist parties/movements, make brainwashing documentaries to subvert the USA's founding, take over schools and indoctrinate generations,  etc. Enjoy your free country with neutered treason laws.
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Ah yes, what a shame we have a BiLl Of RiGhTs protecting free speech.
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Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By BerettaGuy:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


Fuck



But Putin is a strong Christian who is working on saving the souls of the barbarian Ukrainians

It had to be true. I watched a video on YouTube by a guy who wears a plate carrier



I had a Q-Tard who is also a Charismatic Christian and medical doctor tell me that two days ago - he said Putin is doing us a favor by invading corrupt Ukraine and is on "our" side. He follows Pro-Putin talk show host Stew Peters and Pro-Putin Republican candidate/"researcher"/documentary film producer Lauren Witzke who have huge followings on Rumble and other internet sites. He said that all will know soon when God reveals the truth. (One could just imagine my response...)

Here are six search results for Lauren Witzke when her name is searched with "Putin":

https://i.ibb.co/NK0hbzV/Screenshot-20220414-142935-Samsung-Internet.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/sKDygGn/Screenshot-20220414-142909-Samsung-Internet.jpg

These people are influencing millions with their crap along with Alex Jones (who just ran a story yesterday that AZOV Battalion are shooting Ukrainian citizens), Paul Joseph Watson, Paul Craig Roberts, BeforeItsNews.com, Hal Turner, WhatReallyHappened.com, The Burning Platform, SteveQuayle.com, etc., etc.. Most of the so-called Patriot Right is nothing but a mouth price for Kremlin propaganda these days. Gotta give 'em credit, only took like 15 years for communists to control a large hard core segment of the American conservative right wing.


We really need to police our own on that shit.


Yes you are correct as it is having an impact. That is why you have seen me post a lot of info on this. Also, it is a federal crime to work on behalf of a foreign power without approval from the Department of State. And we did have treason laws enforced at one time in this country, but the communist founded ACLU took care of that. Many conservatives (and leftists) think that treason is protected by the 1st Amendment (it is not) and say "i MaY nOT aGGrEE wITH WhaT yOU sAY Or dO bUt wiLL dIE feR YeR RIGht tO saY iT."



Ah yes, what a shame we have a BiLl Of RiGhTs protecting free speech.

"A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means." - Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted By AnalogKid:

Quick...someone hook a blow gun up to shop air, stick it in her ear and change her mind.

Fucking idiot.
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She's not all bad. She makes the assholes in the house actually record votes, instead of accepting "They Ayes have it" .

Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:26:29 PM EDT
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Ukraine wants this. It would show the brainwashed Russian suburbs of Moscow and St Pete they were lied to and the brutality of war. They will get chewed up.
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So what? Russians have shown they will just go with the flow of their government.
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Its an 11 day old video that I found interesting

It''s Time to Talk About the War in Ukraine (Hopefully Not my Last Video!)

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Send Victoria Nueland and zombie John McCain, apparently they can create a color revolution out of thin air and overthrow a freely elected Russian puppet government according to the Fellow Travelers.
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Yanukovich a freely elected president? That’s funny, I watched the miners get brought by bus load from Donetsk to vote twice. The organizers were even kind enough to provide free liquor and smokes to the bussed easterners. Yanukovich was also a convicted rapist who somehow managed to leave prison and rise to manager of one of the larger factories in Eastern UA SSR. Anyway he fled with ass loads of gold and was helo carried out of UA by Russian special forces. He gave up any right to govern when he fled. He was a thief and liar. Russia was orchestrating a Ukrainian  annexation for at least a decade prior. He helped disarm the army, he should be shot as a traitor. He even allowed Russian SVR GRU and FSB to work inside Ukrainian government and authorized them to go hot on protestors. He lost the right to govern through those actions. I watched it unfold and know how despised he was for his raider tactics on residential properties. The stuff you spout is Russian propaganda vomit, your obviously a Russian troll, get lost
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The last six weeks has shown the Russian Federation to be nothing more than a giant ICP concert that found itself in possession of a military. Like trailer trash that received an inheritance.
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When the average Russian soldier comes from an environment on par with or worse than a trailer park, did you expect Pavarotti and wine tasting?
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:29:03 PM EDT
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Interesting take on the poor performance of the Russian tanks in the war.  Notes that in all the videos, the gunners are keeping the turrets in a parade formation and are not scanning the sides or staggering...  

Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:29:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:

"A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means." - Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted By sq40:
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RolandofGilead:


Fuck



But Putin is a strong Christian who is working on saving the souls of the barbarian Ukrainians

It had to be true. I watched a video on YouTube by a guy who wears a plate carrier



I had a Q-Tard who is also a Charismatic Christian and medical doctor tell me that two days ago - he said Putin is doing us a favor by invading corrupt Ukraine and is on "our" side. He follows Pro-Putin talk show host Stew Peters and Pro-Putin Republican candidate/"researcher"/documentary film producer Lauren Witzke who have huge followings on Rumble and other internet sites. He said that all will know soon when God reveals the truth. (One could just imagine my response...)

Here are six search results for Lauren Witzke when her name is searched with "Putin":

https://i.ibb.co/NK0hbzV/Screenshot-20220414-142935-Samsung-Internet.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/sKDygGn/Screenshot-20220414-142909-Samsung-Internet.jpg

These people are influencing millions with their crap along with Alex Jones (who just ran a story yesterday that AZOV Battalion are shooting Ukrainian citizens), Paul Joseph Watson, Paul Craig Roberts, BeforeItsNews.com, Hal Turner, WhatReallyHappened.com, The Burning Platform, SteveQuayle.com, etc., etc.. Most of the so-called Patriot Right is nothing but a mouth price for Kremlin propaganda these days. Gotta give 'em credit, only took like 15 years for communists to control a large hard core segment of the American conservative right wing.


We really need to police our own on that shit.


Yes you are correct as it is having an impact. That is why you have seen me post a lot of info on this. Also, it is a federal crime to work on behalf of a foreign power without approval from the Department of State. And we did have treason laws enforced at one time in this country, but the communist founded ACLU took care of that. Many conservatives (and leftists) think that treason is protected by the 1st Amendment (it is not) and say "i MaY nOT aGGrEE wITH WhaT yOU sAY Or dO bUt wiLL dIE feR YeR RIGht tO saY iT."



Ah yes, what a shame we have a BiLl Of RiGhTs protecting free speech.

"A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means." - Thomas Jefferson


That. Was. Awesome.
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Burial at sea is cheap and effective.  They should thank Ukraine for covering the cost.
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These are noteworthy statements:



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Originally Posted By lorazepam:

Yeah, he might threaten to sling nukes, but most likely, he will end up without an army, and neighboring nations will eat russia piece by piece.
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Originally Posted By outofbattery:



Yeah, he might threaten to sling nukes, but most likely, he will end up without an army, and neighboring nations will eat russia piece by piece.
Russia has minimal manufacturing capability so rebuilding won't happen.  Also pay off mafia corruption
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:33:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:

Well, I am more unsure if the tactic will hurt or help their domestic war support.

It could go either way.
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Agree. The mothers will see their child looking like roadkill, know they are dead, and sob. They will tell everyone in their village and some will become scared while others enraged.

It could be done in a decent professional way..."dear Gold Star mother, on behalf of the UA fighting for our freedom, we regret to inform you that your son fell while attempting to kill our women and children and take our land. If you would like a picture of your child for identification, please respond"...
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Originally Posted By birdbarian:


The way she's fucked with the House, by reading the rules and enforcing in person votes, has pissed off every swamp creature of every affiliation. I like that aspect of her. She needs to get her head out of her ass regarding Ukraine. She ain't perfect, but I'd still rather have her be my rep than the current idiot Bourdeaux.
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
MTG is a big kick in the pants

I liked her attitude...until her opinion of UA


The way she's fucked with the House, by reading the rules and enforcing in person votes, has pissed off every swamp creature of every affiliation. I like that aspect of her. She needs to get her head out of her ass regarding Ukraine. She ain't perfect, but I'd still rather have her be my rep than the current idiot Bourdeaux.
She was the perfect rep and now opens her mouth over UA
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Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


That's another good thread.

Here's a non-Twitter link to the thread reader: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1514645271493459970.html

Based on previous discussions, I think it's worth highlighting this part:









I agree with that.

Dudes rolling around the battlefield in HMMWVs or Toyotas or whatever with a pile of ATGMs and Stingers are going to be much more responsive and have a much smaller support requirement than massed groups of tracked vehicles like MBTs and IFVs.

MBTs still have a role in defending key points, but the less you have to move them, the better.
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People are commenting on the delivery of M113s, but they are probably being envisioned as a replacement for Hiluxes and Sprinter vans. They shouldn't go toe-to-toe with BMPs; let's remember AFV =/= APC (battle taxis), and I don't think the planners that made them part of the aid package were confused or deluded on that point.

M113s are available in huge quantities (obviously) with excellent spare parts support (both quantity and quality). They perform much better in mucky terrain than the UAH, they can have similar armament, have acceptable armor against SAF and shell fragments, and they are flexible (as we see with the number of roles it fill(s/ed) in the US and other NATO militaries).

Since they will also largely be operating from within friendly territory, and primarily away from front-line defensive positions, they will be less vulnerable to mines and heavier weapons, if employed within capabilities. I think the Ukrainians have proven very adept at finding and fixing Russian forces to date, and very judicious with their use of manpower (which they must by necessity), so a little battle taxi may be just the ticket for them.


Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:36:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck:

I have an AN/PAS-19, circa 1997, that has far better image quality, even at maximum 4x electronic zoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_dy4UVPtA8
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Originally Posted By realwar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTtXfFAVU8


Random comments:
1) I can't believe how shitty the video from their FLIR turret looks. Like something from 1991.

2) I can't believe how much oscillation seems to occur in their wing pylons. I have seen them shake almost as much in flight too. Can anyone(@AeroE) confirm/explain if that's on purpose? I know F-16 wings do better with some load on them, but Jesus, those pylons on the Ka-52 are just flopping around.

I have an AN/PAS-19, circa 1997, that has far better image quality, even at maximum 4x electronic zoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_dy4UVPtA8



Thanks for that, incredible to see one still working and keeping vaccum on the linear array after 25 years.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:37:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sq40:


These are just my thoughts,

I see the strait closure as an attempt to de escalate, but I foresee it becoming a contentious issues as both Russia and later NATO will want to get assets in the black sea.  

I agree Finland and Sweden pushing Nato membership is due to Russia.  They know they are next as this heats up.

With Poland, Biden has sent 3k troops so far.  It’s a small force, but it looks like we are possibly selling or moving M1s to Poland, maybe F16s…  I see it as the vanguard to preparing or paving the way to defending a front.
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Russia doesn't have any assets to move into the Black Sea.  It would take forever to relocate a vessel from the Baltic Sea and they would have to sail by many Nato countries to do so. This is why losing the Moskva is such a big deal.  With her loss, Russia has effectively lost control of the Black Sea.  They have no way to replace her.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:37:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mnd6563:
Interesting take on the poor performance of the Russian tanks in the war.  Notes that in all the videos, the gunners are keeping the turrets in a parade formation and are not scanning the sides or staggering...  

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His observations of Russia's armor tactics are dead on, but I'm not sure how he's reaching the conclusion that they're regularly running two man crews.

What if they're just dumb ass Russians being dumb ass Russians?
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:39:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fxntime:


How much is shipping to Michigan?

Fed Ex or UPS?
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UPS, Fedex will just say that they shipped it and delay it every step of the way.
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:39:53 PM EDT
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Guys thanks for the equipment donations! Keep ‘em coming
Link Posted: 4/15/2022 1:40:27 PM EDT
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False Flag! (please note source).

Russia itself fired on the settlement of Klimovo in its Bryansk Oblast on 14 April to blame Ukraine for the attack,according to Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) which published an intercepted phone conversation of an alleged Russian soldier. This comes as Russia threatens escalating missile strikes against Kyiv in response to "attacks" on its territory.

Russia's Ministry of Defense has threatened escalating missile strikes on "objects" in Kyiv in response to any "attacks" or "sabotage" of Russian territory on 15 April. It appears that a recent such "attack" is a false-flag operation within a larger campaign, with the goal of giving Russia a pretext to escalate its assault, intercepts of Ukraine's Security Service indicate.

On 14 April, Russia alleged that its settlement of Klimovo in Bryansk Oblast was shelled. Klimovo lies about 12 kilometers away from the Ukrainian border.

Governor of Bryansk Oblast Alexandr Bogomaz claimed that two residential buildings were damaged in the settlement in a shelling ostensibly conducted by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Russian state-funded news agency TASS stated that seven people were injured in the attack including a pregnant woman and a child citing an unnamed representative of the Klimovo Central District Hospital.

A day after the reported attack on Russia's Klimovo, on 15 April, the Ukrainian Security Service said that it has intercepted phone conversations confirming that the Klimovo incident was a Russian false flag attack to blame Ukraine. SBU published an intercepted conversation of a Russian military deployed in Ukraine with his wife on the matter.

"These are our guys shelling," explains the Russian solder to his wife.

To her question "why do so?" he simply answers:

"It needs to be done. This is done as if the Khokhols (a slur for Ukrainians,  Ed.) are provoking us. And that's why they hit."

SBU suggests that it's obvious that "the Kremlin doesn't care not only about its military but also about the Russian civilians, who also suffered from the shelling of Russian troops."

In the intercepted conversation the soldier refers to the series of apartment bombings in Russia in 1999 which created a pretext for the Second Chechen War:

"The same crap was during the Chechen war. They were blowing up apartments in Moscow as if terrorists did it. In fact, they were FSB guys. It's just now they (Ukrainians,  Ed.) simply couldn't shoot at Klimovo from such a distance," the Russian soldier said.

In the intercept, he says that this incident made him submit a refusal to continue his participation in hostilities on the territory of Ukraine.

Ukraine's Center for Countering Disinformation has already warned about Russia's plans for a false-flag campaign, stating that Russian special services have launched a plan to carry out terrorist attacks to ramp up anti-Ukrainian hysteria in Russia, noting that two false flag attacks by Russia on its own territiry took place on April 13 and 14. Ukrainians.

And on 13 April, the spokesman of Russia's Defense Ministry, Maj-Gen. Igor Konashenkov stated that Ukrainian troops attempt "sabotage and attacks" on facilities in Russia and threatened to strike "decision-making centers" in Ukraine if "such cases continue."
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Russia shelled its village to blame Ukraine, SBU intercepts claim
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Originally Posted By MiG-21:

Slipped in spilled tea and broke his neck.
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Add another high ranking officer to the kill list

Executed by the political officer?

Slipped in spilled tea and broke his neck.


A captain goes down with his ship; makes things easier (and death quicker.)
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