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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:22:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Balu: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/deOINby-52.gif That may be your opinion but it's objectively and categorically wrong. A single unified ethnic group does not a nation make, and hardly any country would qualify as a nation if the definition required monolithic ethnicity. No nation in Europe consists 100% of a single ethnic group. So that idea is totally false. Also, no nation exists where everyone agrees with everyone else all the time. So, just because there are political factions and disagreements in a country that does not mean that it's not a nation. Again, by that standard no country could be considered a nation because there are different points of view and people with clashing agendas everywhere. The United States is definitely a nation, or if it isn't then there is no such thing as a "nation" at all. It's actually been one of the strongest and most clearly defined nations in the world, and even now it would be if not for the corruption of the American political class. Everyday Americans agree on more than they disagree. Yes and no. There is no nation in the world that's a single ethnic group but the key difference is that other countries enforce mono-culturism versus US enforcing multiculturism. US *was* a nation, up to a point, not clear when it ceased to be so. Right now it's balkanized to the the Nth degree. US is really several different nations, probably around a dozen, that can barely co-exist and are held together by force, much like the former Soviet Union. Consider this, you can move to and live in Japan for 40 years but you will never, ever become Japanese. However a Japanese may move to US and become an "American". A naturalized citizen. So *their* definition of who a citizen is very different from your definition of what a citizen is. In US, it's a social construct. Over there, it's an ethnic construct. If you are not ethnically Japanese, Russian, Mongolian, whatever, you can't ever become one anymore than you can transgender from women to men or vice-versa. I think his point was right on the money. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:23:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: My thoughts exactly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By K0UA: Originally Posted By lorazepam: I agree, posting model tanks is just as stupid as page ownage. My thoughts exactly. C'mon, you gotta admit those videos were one hell of a litmus test |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwglen: From Wiki: So about 95% of the Beta decay results in follow up Gamma decay. Oops is right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwglen: Originally Posted By Balu: You should probably tell THOT_Vaccine since he posted about alpha emitters not me. By the way, Strontium-90 and Caesium-137 decay with beta minus. Oops. From Wiki: Caesium-137 has a half-life of about 30.17 years.[1] About 94.6% decays by beta emission to a metastable nuclear isomer of barium: barium-137m (137mBa, Ba-137m). The remainder directly populates the ground state of 137mBa, which is stable. Metastable Ba has a half-life of about 153 seconds, and is responsible for all of the gamma ray emissions in samples of 137Cs. So about 95% of the Beta decay results in follow up Gamma decay. Oops is right. an isomer is a particular arrangement of atoms comprising a molecule. it can be different between enantiomers of a stereoisomer, or position of functional groups on a benzene ring or aliphatic chain, etc. an isotope is a particular configuration of an atom, having more or less electrons or neutrons. if it has more or less protons it simply becomes a different atomic element, having different properties. so there is no such thing as an isomer of an atom. do you still trust that source? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:25:39 PM EDT
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Orc artillery getting shelled. 
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:25:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: The Poles know that they will have to deal with Russia eventually. They would much rather do it now on Ukraine soil. Either Biden or Nato is holding them back. naah, it doesn't have anything to do with Russia having 6000 nuclear warheads. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:30:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HuntingForFun]
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Why ever respond then? Exactly. Imagine being such a coward that you'd let a second world shithole do whatever they want simply because they have nukes. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:32:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vampgrrl: I am not wrong. We are a federal republic, and one characterised by sectional and cultural differences since before independence. We don't have a unifying culture, just really some concept of freedom (and really the only thing that keeps this place together at this point is the economic market). https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*lt4zbxt5zJzj6wlgaWbZNA.png That's right on the money. It aligns with the "the nine nations of North America" book from the 1970's. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MKSheppard: Furthermore; from 2018 to 2022 violating Minsk and pushing the DNR/LPR back into Russia was possible, but that would have provoked a major Russian reaction and painted Ukraine as the Aggressor; so they had to do nothing but take years of casualties in WWI trench warfare redux in Donbass. But now... what reason does Ukraine now have to hold to the Minsk Agreements? The units that would have attacked if Minsk was violated have been destroyed over the last 40 days, including a majority of the Russian Elite Formations like 4 Guards Tank Division and the VDV.... this a vital point and right on the money. Now it's all back for the re-evaluation. they should really concentrate on taking back Crimea and Novo-Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TTTSNB: naah, it doesn't have anything to do with Russia having 6000 nuclear warheads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TTTSNB: Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: The Poles know that they will have to deal with Russia eventually. They would much rather do it now on Ukraine soil. Either Biden or Nato is holding them back. naah, it doesn't have anything to do with Russia having 6000 nuclear warheads. If Russia can't launch or realistically deliver the vast majority of them, the 6,000 nukes really aren't that relevant. I wish people would stop spouting half truths as part of their BS rUShuh nOoKs posts. It makes anything they say appear ill informed. Yes nukes are a problem, but not 6,000 problems. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: There is a video of a Ukrainian on one of those Internet revolving web chat apps attempting to talk to Russians. He has a Ukrainian flag behind him and is immediately shit upon by Russians for being Ukrainian. As a reminder,one of the arguments was -past tense-that Ukrainians are brothers to Russians but just held under an abusive Nazi regime…so why hate the average Ukrainian again? Well,one of these random chats has a Tuvan or Buryat sitting with some Slavic Russians who immediately launches into hating on this guy for being a Ukrainian. Why would he do that ? To show how much of a real Russian he is. Mind you,ethnic minorities are treated like absolute shit. About 1200 pages ago I linked a video of an Asian cadet being hazed by Slavs. Taking it out on Ukrainians instead is a way to show one as actually being part of the group. I think that if it comes out that troops from the Far East are involved in the war crimes and that Asian minorities are among those responsible,which I think is likely to happen,it will be this dynamic at play. Yeah, and it does highlight the fact that Russia has become pretty xenophobic - it has always been but now it's raging. what response do they expect to get from Ukraine? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:38:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryan_Ruck]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: We’re practically the same age and of like mind man. If you are ever on the eastern side of OH near Gallipolis, let me know, first beer is on me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By sq40: I "think" this conflict is going to eventually drive away a lot of the fringe folks that are mentally unstable. For once, in nearly a generation of partisanship, the bulk of this country is in agreement on an issue. Perhaps an external threat is really required to bring us back together and eventually push the nuts either back into a more reasonable position, or have them finally be the ones to quit in frustration, instead of the rational people. I also see a rebellion against bullshit has heated up by Musk buying a controlling stake in Twitter. Coupled with mainstream US news hitting the shitter viewer wise, and people getting sick enough of Facebook's shit to make it stay away.. the fight against CRT and Trans bullshit with kids I think we may see the pendulum swing back away from retardation towards reason again. It's a good time for the US to start to patch up and a good opportunity for Arfcom to start shining again. Let's face it, we have had over two years of batshit crazy things going on we have all been driven a little nuts in one way or another. It's time to get our game faces back and focus. I concur. I ventured into another Ukrainian related thread out of curiosity. I probably added close to 10 to my ignore list. Most were 202Xers, the rest weren't; including a 20 year member here actually claiming that Bucha was perpetrated by the Ukrainians to get western aid money (  ). Sad... New engagements (i.e. registrations) and clicks are what drive online revenue. Not quality content. Over the last several years it's been pretty well demonstrated what direction site ownership has decided to take.  I certainly do respect your opinions. Maybe I’m just over optimistic. But I really do miss the “Glory Days” of GD, I really hope we can get some of that back. Same with the US. I really want to see us get back to rationality and purposeful direction. We are in a fourth turning, and maybe this war will be a catalyst, instead of the leftist domestic social agenda. A reality check. I'd like to hope so too and I try not to always take the blackpill but at the same time I try to stay grounded, and if it's one thing I've learned as I enter my 40th year on earth this year, it's that if you set your expectations low enough, you're rarely disappointed.  We’re practically the same age and of like mind man. If you are ever on the eastern side of OH near Gallipolis, let me know, first beer is on me.  Likewise if you find yourself in Cincy, I know some good spots. 
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker:
Orc artillery getting shelled. That's the fourth time I watched that, and I still don't know what's going on. Are the orcs on the near side, or the far side? I only saw one thing get hit on the near side, and couldn't see any hits on the other side. 
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:41:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That's the fourth time I watched that, and I still don't know what's going on. Are the orcs on the near side, or the far side? I only saw one thing get hit on the near side, and couldn't see any hits on the other side. It’s shitty counter battery, if using dumb HE should have massed and used VT |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:42:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheLurker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That's the fourth time I watched that, and I still don't know what's going on. Are the orcs on the near side, or the far side? I only saw one thing get hit on the near side, and couldn't see any hits on the other side. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Orc artillery getting shelled. That's the fourth time I watched that, and I still don't know what's going on. Are the orcs on the near side, or the far side? I only saw one thing get hit on the near side, and couldn't see any hits on the other side. Eta near side as far as I can tell. I never said it was effective shelling though I keep hoping to see a massive strike on ru arty, but no joy so far
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That's the fourth time I watched that, and I still don't know what's going on. Are the orcs on the near side, or the far side? I only saw one thing get hit on the near side, and couldn't see any hits on the other side.  |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:42:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bulldog1967]
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Qty 50 Combat Gauze care package heading over to Ukraine along with some other much needed medical supplies.
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:50:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: If Russia can't launch or realistically deliver the vast majority of them, the 6,000 nukes really aren't that relevant. I wish people would stop spouting half truths as part of their BS rUShuh nOoKs posts. It makes anything they say appear ill informed. Yes nukes are a problem, but not 6,000 problems. If Russia is able to launch only 5% of their strategic nukes, the US and Europe are going to have their worst day in history. Russia will have a much worse day, but it will make Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and US losses in previous wars look like a day at the park. Look at the damage Russia has done in Ukraine with their Iskanders and air and sea launched cruise missiles. Yes, they’ve had quite a bit of duds with them, but if the same percentage of their ICBMs work as their cruise and short range ballistic missiles do, their nuclear threat is nothing to ignore. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:55:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheLurker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: If Russia is able to launch only 5% of their strategic nukes, the US and Europe are going to have their worst day in history. Russia will have a much worse day, but it will make Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and US losses in previous wars look like a day at the park. Look at the damage Russia has done in Ukraine with their Iskanders and air and sea launched cruise missiles. Yes, they’ve had quite a bit of duds with them, but if the same percentage of their ICBMs work as their cruise and short range ballistic missiles do, their nuclear threat is nothing to ignore. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bunn19: Originally Posted By TheLurker: If Russia can't launch or realistically deliver the vast majority of them, the 6,000 nukes really aren't that relevant. I wish people would stop spouting half truths as part of their BS rUShuh nOoKs posts. It makes anything they say appear ill informed. Yes nukes are a problem, but not 6,000 problems. If Russia is able to launch only 5% of their strategic nukes, the US and Europe are going to have their worst day in history. Russia will have a much worse day, but it will make Pearl Harbor, 9/11 and US losses in previous wars look like a day at the park. Look at the damage Russia has done in Ukraine with their Iskanders and air and sea launched cruise missiles. Yes, they’ve had quite a bit of duds with them, but if the same percentage of their ICBMs work as their cruise and short range ballistic missiles do, their nuclear threat is nothing to ignore. It isn't anything to ignore, agreed. Also not as huge as so many apparently try to make out to justify what could be described as craven positions on Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:58:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: No, I don't think you care. (Removed, CoC-6~guns762) Many don't support it, many other have no clue what's happening. You're cut of the same cloth as the fascists in the Russian army. Congrats. You keep posting the same horseshit about executing prisoners and murdering women and children and you don't even see the irony in those positions. Unsurprisingly. It would take an IQ over room temp. I agree with Roland Imagine if we were at war and you knew it was unjust and barbaric. But if you protested moon would toss you in a van and you'd end up in the gulag. There's people there standing up against it. Some will pay with their lives. But yeah let's genocide Russia |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:59:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dinlong: The fact that the US is well over 200 times the size of Estonia and much less homologous with far more varied geography and climate would tend to dictate that nationalism/patriotism would look far different. That said, if you think most Americans aren't fiercely proud of what we have and very invested in protecting what we have you don't understand America at all. There is no "us". What you think of as "us" is a shrinking minority. ARF is a microcosm but its values and belief systems are disappearing in society at large. We kind of dinosaurs, disappearing slowly. You tend to project what you are, what *we* are onto the rest of the country. it's so radically balkanized that no meaningful dialog is possible between various groups. You have men who crossdress then call themselves women and get installed in key government positions. etc. etc. etc. We are not them, they are not us. That's just one example. There is a fracture at a very fundamental level. If US got attacked, a large minority would celebrate and cooperate with whoever attacked us. Consider just the fact there was the antiwar movement during vietnam. Is there an anti-war movement in UA? I know it's apples to oranges, but still. Contrast that with Ukraine where 97% of them stand together. Zelenskiy must have the highest rating of any president anywhere. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:59:10 PM EDT
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It doesn’t particularly matter much if I get blown up by a conventional Iskander or a nuclear explosion: dead is dead.
I certainly don’t think we should be frightened of resisting Russia just because of nukes. What is everyone supposed to do,just surrender to be shot in a basement? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 9:59:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zhukov]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: I hope that it has finally sunk in for some just how stupid their idea of "we need Russia as an ally against China" has been. Worth reading even if I don't necessarily agree with it entirely. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/east-asia/2022-04-05/next-sino-russian-split Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: I hope that it has finally sunk in for some just how stupid their idea of "we need Russia as an ally against China" has been. Worth reading even if I don't necessarily agree with it entirely. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/east-asia/2022-04-05/next-sino-russian-split Bingo. BURNING BRIDGES IN EUROPE The image of China that this rhetoric has created, especially in Europe, is that of an accomplice to Russia's mass murder in Ukraine. It is not what China has done that has horrified Europeansmost expected Beijing to abstain when Russian actions were condemned in the UN Security Council and General Assembly. It is the callousness of the language China's diplomats have used that has been so profoundly shocking. If "Russia's legitimate concerns" can lead China to condone the invasion of a neighbor with whom it has had friendly relations up until the assault happened, who can trust China's friendship? And the patter about "historical complexities" is even worse: Europe is full of historical complexities, which empires have used in the past to violate treaties and invade smaller neighbors. Is Ukraine so "historically complex" that it does not really deserve its own territorial integrity or even its statehood? As Putin's assault rolls on, the image of China in Europe and in the United States is in free fall. Granted, it was in decline before this happened, and tensions were on the rise. But, especially for the Europeans, Ukraine has been a remarkable eye opener. "China's silence on the Russian atrocities speaks volumes," says Die Zeit, one of Germany's leading newspapers. What China says and does about Ukraine from now on will influence Chinese relations with Europe and with other countries for at least the next decade, if not longer. The key thing that remains to be seen: Will the world's economies forget about the Ukraine war and China's complicity once it's over so they can prostitute themselves out to the Chinese again in order to make a buck? [ETA] Scratch that - I don't know what I've been thinking. They are still prostituting themselves right now and have never stopped. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:00:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: It’s shitty counter battery, if using dumb HE should have massed and used VT Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That's the fourth time I watched that, and I still don't know what's going on. Are the orcs on the near side, or the far side? I only saw one thing get hit on the near side, and couldn't see any hits on the other side. It’s shitty counter battery, if using dumb HE should have massed and used VT They tend to use what they have, a few weeks ago, there was a video of the Ukrainians using a single 60mm mortar and a small drone to go after a Russian artillery position. They fired about 6 rounds and then wanted to move their position. I can't find the video though. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: It doesn’t particularly matter much if I get blown up by a conventional Iskander or a nuclear explosion: dead is dead. I certainly don’t think we should be frightened of resisting Russia just because of nukes. What is everyone supposed to do,just surrender to be shot in a basement? Pretty much. As long as it's someone else getting shot in the basement... Right? I for one figure we need to call their bluff and send some nasty stuff to Ukraine. Cruise missiles or something. IDK. The problem is training. Or just send a fuck pile of artillery IDK. But WAY more russians need to die, and they need to be able to hit cities in Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:05:21 PM EDT
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Hard to tell for sure, but looks like ru turret going pop near the end
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIPPO:
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAlmightyYak: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/386370/0ABE3A5E-C9B9-4A86-966A-10B77C3D5798_jpe-2335701.JPG OAB never gets old. Stinky maybe but never old. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:08:01 PM EDT
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That arty strike looked like they had one gun.
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: If Russia can't launch or realistically deliver the vast majority of them, the 6,000 nukes really aren't that relevant. I wish people would stop spouting half truths as part of their BS rUShuh nOoKs posts. It makes anything they say appear ill informed. Yes nukes are a problem, but not 6,000 problems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Originally Posted By TTTSNB: Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts: The Poles know that they will have to deal with Russia eventually. They would much rather do it now on Ukraine soil. Either Biden or Nato is holding them back. naah, it doesn't have anything to do with Russia having 6000 nuclear warheads. If Russia can't launch or realistically deliver the vast majority of them, the 6,000 nukes really aren't that relevant. I wish people would stop spouting half truths as part of their BS rUShuh nOoKs posts. It makes anything they say appear ill informed. Yes nukes are a problem, but not 6,000 problems. The Russians are fairly good at rockets and propulsion systems, but if the physics package doesn't work then what good is it? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:11:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: The Russians are fairly good at rockets and propulsion systems, but if the physics package doesn't work then what good is it? Are you guys really going to count on them not working? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Bingo. The key thing that remains to be seen: Will the world's economies forget about the Ukraine war and China's complicity once it's over so they can prostitute themselves out to the Chinese again in order to make a buck? [ETA] Scratch that - I don't know what I've been thinking. They are still prostituting themselves right now and have never stopped. Quick edit but they are and will continue to. No body's gonna do shit to China as long as they don't get directly involved.
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:14:09 PM EDT
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Former Putin advisor
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:15:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Qty 50 Combat Gauze care package heading over to Ukraine along with some other much needed medical supplies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/413DC05A-5A81-435B-8444-E52C83855D4B-2340448.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/755C4DFE-02F8-474D-8CAB-7444D90E1102-2340449.jpg You're fuckin awesome. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: That arty strike looked like they had one gun. Man I wish they had some more big missiles or something. Thanks to NATO they have none of that. 
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:17:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Are you guys really going to count on them not working? As an American, optimism is our super power.
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:18:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ad_nauseam: Yes and no. There is no nation in the world that's a single ethnic group but the key difference is that other countries enforce mono-culturism versus US enforcing multiculturism. US *was* a nation, up to a point, not clear when it ceased to be so. Right now it's balkanized to the the Nth degree. US is really several different nations, probably around a dozen, that can barely co-exist and are held together by force, much like the former Soviet Union. Consider this, you can move to and live in Japan for 40 years but you will never, ever become Japanese. However a Japanese may move to US and become an "American". A naturalized citizen. So *their* definition of who a citizen is very different from your definition of what a citizen is. In US, it's a social construct. Over there, it's an ethnic construct. If you are not ethnically Japanese, Russian, Mongolian, whatever, you can't ever become one anymore than you can transgender from women to men or vice-versa. I think his point was right on the money. Is India a nation? Is it multicultural? How about Brazil? Or Mexico? Or Canada? Or Israel? US balkanized? Were people in the balkans driving cross country to tailgate at their favorite sports event? Held together by force? Lol So much BS in a single post. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:19:55 PM EDT
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A drive through Mariupol… utter devastation.
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:22:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Are you guys really going to count on them not working? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Element94: The Russians are fairly good at rockets and propulsion systems, but if the physics package doesn't work then what good is it? Are you guys really going to count on them not working? Oh I'd bet the ones that launch will probably work. Russia looks to have about 1500 launch vehicles, which is a lot by any standard. I just dont see much point in looking at them as a reason to cower in fear. Either putin will eventually use them regardless of whether nato escalate, or he won't. At this point in the game, we're all just along for the ride, so I'll support the victim over the attacker. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:22:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Are you guys really going to count on them not working? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: I think that is the up-armored version. When people tell me to worry about nuclear war, I like to think about the fact that Russia took a Fiat and made it shittier... OMG so true  |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:26:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TTTSNB: if it weren't for the nukes that would be the right thing to do Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TTTSNB: Originally Posted By mnd6563: I have a feeling that the main role of US troops in Poland right now are to keep the Poles from storming across the border and rolling tanks all the way to Moscow...
if it weren't for the nukes that would be the right thing to do Call his bluff and kick his ass. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: Pretty much. As long as it's someone else getting shot in the basement... Right? I for one figure we need to call their bluff and send some nasty stuff to Ukraine. Cruise missiles or something. IDK. The problem is training. Or just send a fuck pile of artillery IDK. But WAY more russians need to die, and they need to be able to hit cities in Russia. I think the US needs to do a full on lend lease program and provide Ukraine with all types of western weaponry including aircraft. If this war is going to last a while, there should be time to train Ukrainians in Poland or even the US on a myriad of western weapons systems. How many M1 Abrams does the US have in storage? Bradleys? Recently retired F-16s? Apaches and Cobras? |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:31:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Oh I'd bet the ones that launch will probably work. Russia looks to have about 1500 launch vehicles, which is a lot by any standard. I just dont see much point in looking at them as a reason to cower in fear. Either putin will eventually use them regardless of whether nato escalate, or he won't. At this point in the game, we're all just along for the ride, so I'll support the victim over the attacker. if you're in New Zealand, then you're just a spectator, no worries, no nukes headed your way. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:31:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Are you guys really going to count on them not working? Yeah lets play it safe despite the utter clown show displayed on a conventional level by the Russians. Based off their space program and their aircraft it would appear they know how to move a object via rocket propulsion. Lets hope none of their nukes work, but plan for them all too. BUT, gosh dam at the same time, if our doctrine from here on out is well you got nukes, so do whatever you want, we will play the cuck, that does not appear to be very sound IMO. I am no engineer, but whatever money&research we need to build to established an effective missile defense system USA mainland- ICBM iron dome, lets get to it. I dont know what intel the Biden administration is getting, but Ive notice they are VERY careful on not pissing off putty poo. Ammo, small drones, AT weapons, small arms to Ukraine? Sure. When people mention legit SAMS, heavy artillery, tanks, fighters etc.. it becomes a tap dance beat around the bush conversation with no real answers, or at least that's what I am seeing. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Are you guys really going to count on them not working? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Element94: The Russians are fairly good at rockets and propulsion systems, but if the physics package doesn't work then what good is it? Are you guys really going to count on them not working? Clearly they'll hold back their best missiles in reserve, 87th dimensional style. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: Even with the nukes it's the right thing to do. Do you actually think that Putin would respond to a Polish conventional attack with a nuke on Warsaw? He would be cutting his own throat and he knows that. His wealth and control would evaporate in an instant. Call his bluff and kick his ass. I’d like to know what ever came of the Polish/Czech/Baltic States peacekeeping coalition securing the Eastern side of a Ukraine that was discussed a few weeks ago, after the leaders of Czechia, Poland, and Slovenia went and met Zelensky in person. There was supposedly support from the US and other European countries for them to do it or at least not prevent them from doing it, and then no more was mentioned about it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2022 10:37:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bulldog1967: Qty 50 Combat Gauze care package heading over to Ukraine along with some other much needed medical supplies. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/413DC05A-5A81-435B-8444-E52C83855D4B-2340448.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/755C4DFE-02F8-474D-8CAB-7444D90E1102-2340449.jpg Thank you.  That's a useful secondary purpose to this thread; crowd sourcing what is truly going to help (and to whom). |
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