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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
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This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It hurts a little to see all those vehicles lined up so tight and neat, and not getting lit up at all.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By TylerF: [tweet]https://twitter.com/Igor19840405/status/1508818088489328642?s=20&[/tweet] Russian troops pull back from Chernihiv. [tweet]https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1508793606261420036?ref_src=twsrc[/tweet] VDV pulling back into Belarus It hurts a little to see all those vehicles lined up so tight and neat, and not getting lit up at all. Yeah but kinda makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up....... |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: That looks super-fake. This, on the other hand, looks like it's definitely from Ukraine.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/42E3ADCE-8D2A-4B76-957D-F13C9B198A93-2330542.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Maybe this counts as some levity? Maybe these Russians were planning to make some propaganda? Who knows. All I know is that EK1 and fieldgrau aren't accurate!  Telegram "A strange company of occupiers came near Izium. They write English-language slogans, draw the letter Z on the helmet and take the "parade" form with them. That's just the parade they do not see, and they remained under the raisins. @LastBP | @UA_struggle" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/4C786062-B315-4C42-80D3-90D8935635B4_jpe-2327728.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/535872EB-053D-45DC-8105-A034C4DA8E67_jpe-2327729.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/0F030671-11BB-42D7-BF3B-BF85CD03E439_jpe-2327730.JPG @DK-Prof @Ben Where did that M2 come from? That looks super-fake. This, on the other hand, looks like it's definitely from Ukraine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/42E3ADCE-8D2A-4B76-957D-F13C9B198A93-2330542.jpg
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:21:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Who the fuck thinks putting a nuke on Russian soil will not kill a lot of civilians. It would kill half the world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NBCMarine: Originally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By jungatheart: Supposedly Putin is isolated somewhere in the Urals. If the Russians use a tactical nuke, a retaliatory strike on his location would seem to be appropriate and not kill a lot of innocent civilians. Doesn't even matter if it doesn't kill Putin because he'd be unable to leave or communicate with the outside world. Except he's in a nuclear bunker. Who the fuck thinks putting a nuke on Russian soil will not kill a lot of civilians. It would kill half the world. I don't believe the nuclear arms limiting the size of the bombs are effective. Russia probably has large nuclear bombs that are outlawed by treaties. After, lying is what communist do. It's when they tell the truth is what's shocking because it's so rare. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:21:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bluegrasscardinal: Is there a good site to track current developments in the war? This thread has turned into a WMD fantasy thread. Been watching this channel for the daily updates https://youtube.com/c/SpeakTheTruth1 He's actually had some.pretty accurate stuff. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:25:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Haub: https://i.redd.it/wdwrd5zsrbq81.jpg "This is Roman Hrybov. On 24 February, 2022, Hrybov was serving as a border guard on assignment to Snake Island when the Russian cruiser Moskva issued an ultimatum to the thirteen border guards on the small island. Hrybov responded to Moskva with the now famous phrase, “Russky voyenny korabl, idi na khuy” (Russian Warship, Go F*** Yourself) The thirteen defenders, believed to be dead, fought until they were out of ammunition and were taken prisoner by the Russians but have since been released in prisoner exchanges. Here we see Hrybov being awarded a medal upon his return home" I'd have thought they would have been the last to be exchanged, given their value to raise the spirits of their countrymen. Great news though. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russians-live-abroad-say-moscow-hardening-views-back-home-rcna20605 Insight into just how effective Russian propaganda is when it is already working on fertile ground. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russians-live-abroad-say-moscow-hardening-views-back-home-rcna20605 Leshchenko said talking to friends back home is increasingly difficult as the Kremlin takes further hold of the media and lines of communication. Those who haven't fled the country refuse to talk to her about the conflict, blame the West and the U.S., or say they may not like the war, but they feel they must support the regime and the military. Another friend of Leshchenko's in Russia, who never shared an interest in politics before, asked her about the West's views and seemed curious to learn more. But then the friend argued that Russian attacks, such as the bombardment of a maternity hospital in Mariupol, were staged by the West. She insisted the woman photographed by The Associated Press being evacuated from the hospital was a prostitute and wore makeup to look as though she was in a bombing a recent line of Russian propaganda. Russian expats who spoke to NBC News also emphasized that Westerners, particularly Americans, don't fully grasp the ongoing undercurrent of anti-Western and anti-American sentiment that pervades public opinion there. The Kremlin and many Russians view this as a war with the West and the U.S. That might surprise many Westerners, but some experts argue it is a defining feature of Russia's worldview. In his book "The Return of the Russian Leviathan," Sergei Medvedev, a Russian social sciences professor at Moscow's Higher School of Economics, wrote that "Geopolitics in today's Russia is simply an ideology that justifies imperial ambitions and the state's priority over the individual in the allegedly eternal confrontation between Russia and the West in the battle for resources." Leshchenko said that has been true for as long as she can remember. Americans and Westerners may believe they're not involved, but Russia views the U.S. and NATO as the actual threat they are fighting in Ukraine. "Russians often blame the West for most things," she said. "Any time there was a problem within the country, who do you think was blamed? Usually America. And that's kind of what I grew up with. This is not something new: It has always been there." |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:28:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat:
Destroy Russian naval assets in Kaliningrad and declare it is no longer Russian territory. Split it between Lithuania and Poland. Historically it's not Russian land. Isn't that what Russia likes doing and the same excuse for Crimea? Fine let's play that game. 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:29:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savoy3: I haven't seen the Spetznaz Flip Shovel Throw in any of the actual combat footage we've seen. What are they waiting for? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savoy3: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Wagner group are unprofessional slobs according to a contact who is former British special forces who had experiences with them in Africa. I was on his email a couple of weeks ago. Ukrainian special forces beat the infamous Russian Spetznaz in at least three battles- I doubt the Wagner group is better than them. That would honestly be worth the war if we get a confirmed tactical shovel kill on video. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:30:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Lol. Yes, they are still Russians- they just hate what their government is doing. Until Russia has an internal only internet (which they may do, but haven't yet), young people will continue to use their VPNs. You're suggesting the people that left aren't talking to those who didn't? I don't know what else to tell you but you're very wrong, but you always seem to have better information than I do. I'm pretty sure that's temporary. It is/willbe illegal to say anything not supportive of the government. The potential penalties for violating the rule will scare the crap out of people. Toddlers repeat stuff. Parents and grandparents will aggressively conceal anything anti-russia from kids in an effort to protect themselves and their family. Kids will grow up hearing the propaganda the government wants them to be indoctrinated with. We already know what currently happens to people who just walk around and say stuff, they disappear into cop vans. Current street interviews show people are afraid and they are shutting up or they are repeating the govt talking points. I saw a thing recently where kids who talk to their parents in russia are not believed when they, in ukraine, tell their parents what is going on. The parents say it isn't true. Russia. I see no reason the iron fist will be any less effective this time. And the truth is that lots of russians are all into this "russia strong" ideology. I've seen it with 20-somethings in addition to pensioners. I'll bet the 20-something soviets will be willing to turn in their friends. Most important. Lets say you are right, lets say there are a bunch of russians who don't believe the BS, so what? I don't believe it will make any difference in the real world russia. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:34:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:35:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTLandser: Kind of on a related theme to the Kasparov quote. I don't know the author so can't speak to his credentials or biases, RCD is just a good place to go when you want to see what the defense press and think tank crowd is writing about at the moment. What Ukraine Needs Now Even if one argues that the negotiations between the belligerents are, despite difficulties, making progress, it is clear from the historical record that Putin and Moscow regard such agreements, as did Germany in 1914, as mere "scraps of paper" to be broken expedient once it becomes to do so. We must therefore realize and then act accordingly that it does not serve Ukraine's or the West's interests. that this war "ends' with an inconclusive agreement that merely sets the stage for another round of hostilities. Instead, to prevent that kind of denouement, i.e. an endgame comparable to that of the Korean war or to other frozen conflicts in Eurasia that, as often as not, erupt into war, e.g., Nagorno-Karabakh, we must flood Ukraine with the weapons and technologies it needs to defeat Russia decisively and comprehensively. Very true. Unfortunately, I fear that some interests want and NEED a long term quagmire type mess in Ukraine to syphon relief funds, fund raise, and other long term corrupt scams. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:37:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Absolutely nailed it. The US and the West should say straight out that the sections continue until Ukraine is free and whole according to borders it had when Russia signed the Budapest memo, and they need to repeat it. The Russian people need to hear that their economy is going to suffer because Russia refuses to abide by its own agreements and refuses to respect its neighbors. It's not the US or NATO or the EU that's doing this to Russia, it's Putin. And to go further, if Putin were to succeed in annexing Ukraine, Russia should expect to NEVER trade with the West again. Putting the USSR back together means that in every way. Bread lines, empty store shelves, shoddy goods and not enough of them, misery for all. And did the planes make it to Ukraine yet? Hmm??  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By TheLurker:
Good thread here. I suspect he is correct. Absolutely nailed it. The US and the West should say straight out that the sections continue until Ukraine is free and whole according to borders it had when Russia signed the Budapest memo, and they need to repeat it. The Russian people need to hear that their economy is going to suffer because Russia refuses to abide by its own agreements and refuses to respect its neighbors. It's not the US or NATO or the EU that's doing this to Russia, it's Putin. And to go further, if Putin were to succeed in annexing Ukraine, Russia should expect to NEVER trade with the West again. Putting the USSR back together means that in every way. Bread lines, empty store shelves, shoddy goods and not enough of them, misery for all. And did the planes make it to Ukraine yet? Hmm?? Amen Brother. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: A single warhead that works is better than 7 that do not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By JQ66: Interesting thing about MIRVs is it looks like the US have up all MIRVs on ICBMs (but kept them on the trident SLBMs), while the Russians didn’t give up MIRVs on their ICBMs. Great deal by GHWBush! not A single warhead that works is better than 7 that do not. I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:41:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: I did 8 years in DC and got to brief or being involved in briefings to multiple elected and appointed officials, to include back benching for a brief to POTUS. That time remove all my illusion about who runs the government. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Buckley’s statement is a generality. So statistically, it’s true. You can’t pull it out to defend a single person that is obviously checkered. All generalities have exceptions, that don’t disprove the general wisdom. This is basic macroscopic/societal level logic. I did 8 years in DC and got to brief or being involved in briefings to multiple elected and appointed officials, to include back benching for a brief to POTUS. That time remove all my illusion about who runs the government. Who does run the government? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:41:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: That's what I've been saying since before the invasion. Russia doesn't respect others' territorial integrity? Make Kaliningrad Koengisberg again! It's a specific scenario that has been wargamed as an initial target in a war with Russia, including actual mock attack practice runs against the Kaliningrad Naval base https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russia-fortifying-kaliningrad-nato-can-destroy-it-anyway-199168 |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:41:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JQ66]
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Very long run of EAMs on 4274 right now
Been reading them off for over ten minutes now to different parties Went from :22 after the hour to about :41 after the hour, maybe another minute or two longer Did not hear any Skykings , however |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Who does run the government? Unelected Bureaucrats that you will never see or know the names of They do as the please, maybe the follow the orders of the president, maybe they decline. Not much anyone can do about it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: I thunk the proper response to a nuke being used in Ukraine, would be a massive strike on assets outside of Russia. Sink everything in the black sea. Everything. F22's / 117s / tomahawks destroy every known Russian air defense system in Crimea and Ukraine proper. Precision strikes on every unit around mariupol and Crimea. Allow Ukraine to take back Crimea, and mop up. I agree with this at a minimum. But what if russia lights off a second nuke? Third? I dont think Russia believes the USA is committed 100%. They may gamble on it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: I would think drones should be easy to target because any worthwhile drone is going to transmit. It's just that it's low tech and not profitable enough for our military industry to address. They're probably trying to figure out how to put that on a multi-ten's of million dollar platform. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Russians are showing off the dead Azov battalion fighters in Mariupol, piles and piles of dead bodies. They are using techniques they developed in Syria to clear the surrounding towns and industrial areas, who would have thought we are seeing tactics that worked in Aleppo, in Europe, in 2022... The best weapons we could send to Ukraine now would be anti-drone systems, the Russians are just picking armor off using the Krasnopol 152mm guided artillery and their relatively cheap drones. I've counted at least 50 videos in the past few days. It's not on any western media because it's not part of the narrative, but this will have caused Nato a lot of worries because if you are within range and the drone spots you, you are a target. I would think drones should be easy to target because any worthwhile drone is going to transmit. It's just that it's low tech and not profitable enough for our military industry to address. They're probably trying to figure out how to put that on a multi-ten's of million dollar platform. Do you have a link ? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:54:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Interesting thing about MIRVs is it looks like the US have up all MIRVs on ICBMs (but kept them on the trident SLBMs), while the Russians didn’t give up MIRVs on their ICBMs. Great deal by GHWBush! not Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Correct. Most people think that a jet fighter can shoot down an ICBM or that we have some magic weapon - we don't. And then there are MIRV warheads which make nukes even more impossible to intercept. Basically, a MIRV warhead splits into multiple warheads with each hitting specific target so if a Russian ICBM reaches above the upper midwest, the MIRV activates and then separates into maybe five nukes which target: Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Columbus, and Toledo. (Just an example as Detriot and Cleveland would do more damage to the US if they are just left alone...) But, leftists never wanted to spend any money on Strategic Defense Initiative-type defenses like Reagan-era "Star Wars" and some on the right didnt want any more money going to the "military industrial complex". So we are screwed. Also, and very important, the democrats/Carter scuttled the Office of Civil Defense so now we have none (outside of preppers and survivalists who prepare for nukes) and many on the right bought into the leftist lie that nuclear war is not survivable out of ignorance and laziness. Now the left and right are like little girls whining about everytime Biden opens his mouth because they fear a nuclear war with Putin. So, now Putin can threaten and do almost whatever he wants including yet another Russian genocide on the Ukrainian people. Next it will be Finland, then maybe Japan over the islands issue, then maybe even hanging-out-in-the-wind Estonia, then who knows maybe even Hawaii. For those not lazy and can admit to themselves that they dont really know about nuclear war preparedness and want to do what they can to protect their families, read the following: The Good News About Nuclear Destruction WHAT TO DO IF A NUCLEAR DISASTER IS IMMINENT! The owner of this company (along with Sen. Rick Santorum) saved the remaining civil defense radiation meters and calibration equipment that Clinton tried to destroy. Anyway, see this video as well:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc4xI544IzYAnd this is all relevant to this thread as there are hundreds of posts regarding the escalation of this war to nuclear war. The PBS interview I posted last night with the Putin's spokesperson from the Kremlin had nuclear war as its main topic. Interesting thing about MIRVs is it looks like the US have up all MIRVs on ICBMs (but kept them on the trident SLBMs), while the Russians didn’t give up MIRVs on their ICBMs. Great deal by GHWBush! not Just like all of our treaties with the lying Russians, a one way street favoring them. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. Like they invested in their ground forces. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Very long run of EAMs on 4274 right now Been reading them off for over ten minutes now to different parties Went from :22 after the hour to about :41 after the hour, maybe another minute or two longer Did not hear any Skykings , however Are you listening stateside or on a websdr? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Who does run the government? 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:59:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Like they invested in their ground forces. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. Like they invested in their ground forces. Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:05:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. They also said this "special military operation" was going as planned. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:05:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JQ66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: @JQ66 Are you listening stateside or on a websdr? Websdr - (utwente) and meant to type 4724 khz And he’s still reading them off Maybe they’re repeats I don’t have it up real loud as I’m in my cubicle area at work. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. Like they invested in their ground forces. Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. Isn’t that the only thing they can say right now? Either way, at some point you have to punch a bully in the teeth. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:08:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Wouldn’t it be great if he got Byraktar’d lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By Element94: Originally Posted By Alex9661: I don't think Kadyrov can do any worse than the clowns who are currently in charge. BTW he's not only a general, he's also a Hero of Russia, а member of Russian Academy of Sciences, and there is a bridge in St. Petersburg named after him. According to Kadyrov himself, he killed his first Russian when he was 16. He's a fucking turd. Wouldn’t it be great if he got Byraktar’d lol. Even better captured alive and executed. 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlockZen: This dude is living as "real" a life as an IG model
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPA-ZMFWUAAv2Ya?format=jpg&name=small What a farking dumbass. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:14:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Lol. Yes, they are still Russians- they just hate what their government is doing. Until Russia has an internal only internet (which they may do, but haven't yet), young people will continue to use their VPNs. You're suggesting the people that left aren't talking to those who didn't? I don't know what else to tell you but you're very wrong, but you always seem to have better information than I do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: It's already undone with much of the younger generation. That's why as of two weeks ago about 250k young Russians left Russia. They're just waiting for the Soviet era folks to die. But I've said this before, and nobody wants to listen so... Yeah. But the iron curtain is now almost closed again and I expect it will stay that way. Toddlers will grow up with the propaganda and hear it reinforced by their grandparents. Their parents will shut the fuck up for fear of being picked up by the secret police. Interviews in russia show it is happening right now. There is a reason those 250k are not staying. Their opinions will not be shared with others in russia. They are basically no longer russians. Lol. Yes, they are still Russians- they just hate what their government is doing. Until Russia has an internal only internet (which they may do, but haven't yet), young people will continue to use their VPNs. You're suggesting the people that left aren't talking to those who didn't? I don't know what else to tell you but you're very wrong, but you always seem to have better information than I do. With that said, every bit of person to person communications I've seen so far has pointed to them buying the farcical government line. And to the point that they're calling relatives living abroad liars and the actual soldiers in Ukraine ignorant of the situation in Ukraine. That's also anecdotal but based on what's been reported you can't blame people for having a pessimistic outlook. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Very true. Unfortunately, I fear that some interests want and NEED a long term quagmire type mess in Ukraine to syphon relief funds, fund raise, and other long term corrupt scams. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By GTLandser: Kind of on a related theme to the Kasparov quote. I don't know the author so can't speak to his credentials or biases, RCD is just a good place to go when you want to see what the defense press and think tank crowd is writing about at the moment. What Ukraine Needs Now Even if one argues that the negotiations between the belligerents are, despite difficulties, making progress, it is clear from the historical record that Putin and Moscow regard such agreements, as did Germany in 1914, as mere "scraps of paper" to be broken expedient once it becomes to do so. We must therefore realize and then act accordingly that it does not serve Ukraine's or the West's interests. that this war "ends' with an inconclusive agreement that merely sets the stage for another round of hostilities. Instead, to prevent that kind of denouement, i.e. an endgame comparable to that of the Korean war or to other frozen conflicts in Eurasia that, as often as not, erupt into war, e.g., Nagorno-Karabakh, we must flood Ukraine with the weapons and technologies it needs to defeat Russia decisively and comprehensively. Very true. Unfortunately, I fear that some interests want and NEED a long term quagmire type mess in Ukraine to syphon relief funds, fund raise, and other long term corrupt scams. What you describe has been a feature of all wars. Sometimes it takes the form of fraud, waste, and abuse (criminal conduct), and sometimes war is just horrendously wasteful and expensive by itself (e.g., whatever KBR's cost per gallon of fuel was, once it finally reach the end user, which wasn't even substantially KBRs fault). And, what you describe is all the more reason to end this conflict quickly and decisively. The longer it drags on, the more those interests become entrenched, and it turns into a self-licking ice cream cone. See: Afghanistan after about...2002. So the longer we wait, not only do the European politicians get away with paying for the freedom and security they enjoy down to the last Ukrainian (a moral crime of sorts by itself), but we are also increasing the risk of empowering those interest groups you mentioned. If we can't put any boots on the ground in Ukraine (understandable and probably wise), then we should be training Ukrainians forces on everything we have already been sending, PLUS air and ballistic missile defenses, fighter aircraft, and anything else conventional we can think of, to get the Russians off their territory. Zelensky already made comments to this effect, asking how many dead women and children per day was acceptable to Europe before they would act. And he needs to keep verbally kicking them in the balls, until the pain of those insults causes them to reach down and find them again. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:16:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mancat]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: What a farking dumbass. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By GlockZen: This dude is living as "real" a life as an IG model
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPA-ZMFWUAAv2Ya?format=jpg&name=small What a farking dumbass. Here let me set down my PKM that I'm just carrying around everywhere because I'm Chechen He-Man but I gotta take a fiver for Allah Lol fucking right |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnetwork: They also said this "special military operation" was going as planned. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnetwork: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. They also said this "special military operation" was going as planned. So they planned on killing thousands of innocent people and causing billions of dollars in damage to a people that were minding their own business? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russians-live-abroad-say-moscow-hardening-views-back-home-rcna20605 Insight into just how effective Russian propaganda is when it is already working on fertile ground. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russians-live-abroad-say-moscow-hardening-views-back-home-rcna20605 Leshchenko said talking to friends back home is increasingly difficult as the Kremlin takes further hold of the media and lines of communication. Those who haven't fled the country refuse to talk to her about the conflict, blame the West and the U.S., or say they may not like the war, but they feel they must support the regime and the military. Another friend of Leshchenko's in Russia, who never shared an interest in politics before, asked her about the West's views and seemed curious to learn more. But then the friend argued that Russian attacks, such as the bombardment of a maternity hospital in Mariupol, were staged by the West. She insisted the woman photographed by The Associated Press being evacuated from the hospital was a prostitute and wore makeup to look as though she was in a bombing a recent line of Russian propaganda. Russian expats who spoke to NBC News also emphasized that Westerners, particularly Americans, don't fully grasp the ongoing undercurrent of anti-Western and anti-American sentiment that pervades public opinion there. The Kremlin and many Russians view this as a war with the West and the U.S. That might surprise many Westerners, but some experts argue it is a defining feature of Russia's worldview. In his book "The Return of the Russian Leviathan," Sergei Medvedev, a Russian social sciences professor at Moscow's Higher School of Economics, wrote that "Geopolitics in today's Russia is simply an ideology that justifies imperial ambitions and the state's priority over the individual in the allegedly eternal confrontation between Russia and the West in the battle for resources." Leshchenko said that has been true for as long as she can remember. Americans and Westerners may believe they're not involved, but Russia views the U.S. and NATO as the actual threat they are fighting in Ukraine. "Russians often blame the West for most things," she said. "Any time there was a problem within the country, who do you think was blamed? Usually America. And that's kind of what I grew up with. This is not something new: It has always been there." Insight into just how effective Russian propaganda is when it is already working on fertile ground. Look at how well it’s worked in the US. Read any thread on here about the matter that isn’t this one,look on the Instagram and Twitter feeds of the populist right influencers,look at Fox News 🤷🏼♂️ At least Russians have some kind of excuse. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:19:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
[#37]
Looks like Ukraine just struck inside Russia near Belgorod.
Large explosion looks to be ammo dump. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:20:04 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Interesting the story is about a 152mm guided projectile, but they open with photo of a D30 122mm howitzer. There is a 122mm guided shell also called the Kitolov, I am sure some of the attacks being conducted are being done with that round also. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Russians are showing off the dead Azov battalion fighters in Mariupol, piles and piles of dead bodies. They are using techniques they developed in Syria to clear the surrounding towns and industrial areas, who would have thought we are seeing tactics that worked in Aleppo, in Europe, in 2022... The best weapons we could send to Ukraine now would be anti-drone systems, the Russians are just picking armor off using the Krasnopol 152mm guided artillery and their relatively cheap drones. I've counted at least 50 videos in the past few days. It's not on any western media because it's not part of the narrative, but this will have caused Nato a lot of worries because if you are within range and the drone spots you, you are a target. Great (but sad) update, thank you. Interesting the story is about a 152mm guided projectile, but they open with photo of a D30 122mm howitzer. There is a 122mm guided shell also called the Kitolov, I am sure some of the attacks being conducted are being done with that round also. Its overall an interesting and I think worthwhile concept for the US / West to look into. Namely, pairing small cheap drones with laser designators too long range guided artillery shells. We could see something like a Squad level Quadcopter w/ laser designator calling in precision support fires. This would also allow a sort of '80/20 close air support' in contested airspace / areas full of MANPADS that would prevent normal CAS. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:22:34 PM EDT
[#39]
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:23:05 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Isn’t that the only thing they can say right now? Either way, at some point you have to punch a bully in the teeth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. Like they invested in their ground forces. Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. Isn’t that the only thing they can say right now? Either way, at some point you have to punch a bully in the teeth. I get that, but I think we have done ourselves a great disservice as a nation by not preparing for this moment. Civil defense, nuclear defense, modernizing our own nuclear weapons, etc. All that hasn't been properly funded. Even in the 1980s liberals scoffed at Reagans star wars defense, and they'll been trying to weaken our nuclear defense all the time like they do everything else. Russia may be well ahead of us. I don't know for sure, and probably none of us here really know for certain the extent of our nuclear capabilities and defense compared to theirs, but I am concerned. Do you still punch that bully in the teeth when you are definitely going to lose ? Is that the case here, I don't know but someone probably does. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:23:22 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Looks like Ukraine just struck inside Russia near Belgorod. Large explosion looks to be ammo factory. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 Don’t assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:23:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: It's already undone with much of the younger generation. That's why as of two weeks ago about 250k young Russians left Russia. They're just waiting for the Soviet era folks to die. But I've said this before, and nobody wants to listen so... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Zhukov: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russians-live-abroad-say-moscow-hardening-views-back-home-rcna20605 Insight into just how effective Russian propaganda is when it is already working on fertile ground. It would take 2 generations to undo that crap. Until russia has good exposure to the rest of the world for 2 generations, russians will continue to be soviets. Americans need to come to the understanding they are not like us and they will not be like us anytime soon. It's already undone with much of the younger generation. That's why as of two weeks ago about 250k young Russians left Russia. They're just waiting for the Soviet era folks to die. But I've said this before, and nobody wants to listen so... The old Soviets don’t understand current Russian demographics and have zero idea what they are doing to their country. Don’t get me wrong,I am MUCH happier that Russia’s best and brightest aren’t willing to work for the regime and won’t be there to make the Russian army class of 2040. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:24:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Its overall an interesting and I think worthwhile concept for the US / West to look into. Namely, pairing small cheap drones with laser designators too long range guided artillery shells. We could see something like a Squad level Quadcopter w/ laser designator calling in precision support fires. This would also allow a sort of '80/20 close air support' in contested airspace / areas full of MANPADS that would prevent normal CAS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By SheltiePimp: Russians are showing off the dead Azov battalion fighters in Mariupol, piles and piles of dead bodies. They are using techniques they developed in Syria to clear the surrounding towns and industrial areas, who would have thought we are seeing tactics that worked in Aleppo, in Europe, in 2022... The best weapons we could send to Ukraine now would be anti-drone systems, the Russians are just picking armor off using the Krasnopol 152mm guided artillery and their relatively cheap drones. I've counted at least 50 videos in the past few days. It's not on any western media because it's not part of the narrative, but this will have caused Nato a lot of worries because if you are within range and the drone spots you, you are a target. Great (but sad) update, thank you. Interesting the story is about a 152mm guided projectile, but they open with photo of a D30 122mm howitzer. There is a 122mm guided shell also called the Kitolov, I am sure some of the attacks being conducted are being done with that round also. Its overall an interesting and I think worthwhile concept for the US / West to look into. Namely, pairing small cheap drones with laser designators too long range guided artillery shells. We could see something like a Squad level Quadcopter w/ laser designator calling in precision support fires. This would also allow a sort of '80/20 close air support' in contested airspace / areas full of MANPADS that would prevent normal CAS. We already have it M982 There's some physics issues with guiding a bullet and it costs a lot. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:25:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Its overall an interesting and I think worthwhile concept for the US / West to look into. Namely, pairing small cheap drones with laser designators too long range guided artillery shells. We could see something like a Squad level Quadcopter w/ laser designator calling in precision support fires. This would also allow a sort of '80/20 close air support' in contested airspace / areas full of MANPADS that would prevent normal CAS. The US has had that capability for a very long time, it is not unusual to use UAS to adjust fire or attack targets with indirect fire. The artillery community was one of the first to have drones, and during desert storm they were used to attack targets with indirect fire. We abandoned laser guided artillery projectiles in favor of coordinate seeking weapons because using lasers was just a lot harder to do. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:26:05 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: Here let me set down my PKM that I'm just carrying around everywhere because I'm Chechen He-Man but I gotta take a fiver for Allah Lol fucking right Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By GlockZen: This dude is living as "real" a life as an IG model
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPA-ZMFWUAAv2Ya?format=jpg&name=small What a farking dumbass. Here let me set down my PKM that I'm just carrying around everywhere because I'm Chechen He-Man but I gotta take a fiver for Allah Lol fucking right And lying shows how faithful he isn't |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:26:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Don’t assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By kncook: Looks like Ukraine just struck inside Russia near Belgorod. Large explosion looks to be ammo factory. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 Don’t assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. The video I looked at sure appeared to have weapons secondaries in the blast. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:26:31 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:26:36 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: The old Soviets don’t understand current Russian demographics and have zero idea what they are doing to their country. Don’t get me wrong,I am MUCH happier that Russia’s best and brightest aren’t willing to work for the regime and won’t be there to make the Russian army class of 2040. Brain drain was already a problem. Another 250k in the past couple of weeks? Russia is a zombie. It may be aggressive and capable of doing alot of damage but its already dead and doesn't know it yet. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:26:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Don’t assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By kncook: Looks like Ukraine just struck inside Russia near Belgorod. Large explosion looks to be ammo factory. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 Don’t assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. It just seems it’s so close the Kharkiv where Ukraine is pushing back now through it would make sense. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:27:51 PM EDT
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United Kingdom MOD comments/map for 3-29 as posted on FB.
 
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