User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:26:11 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
He will likely live but that looks horrible 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:32:30 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: We have seen some footage where the Russian air defenses were knocked out to the point Ukrainian Su-24's were making paradrag bomb runs on Russian armor. I sort of wonder if Ukraine has any fuel air explosive dumb bombs.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmRASCHJe2QWhat's amazing to me is that those Su-24s are 50+ years old, and the Ukrainians have them fixed up, flying and fighting... |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:34:05 AM EDT
[#3]
Longer version of UA SOF assault from early on, includes POV footage of insertion and initiation.
https://t.me/CombatFootageBackup/40448 |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:37:54 AM EDT
[#4]
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:42:38 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
Bwahahaha..Garand Thumb and Post |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:43:05 AM EDT
[#6]
Someone needs to start splashing some Bears.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:46:59 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Someone needs to start splashing some Bears. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 11:56:38 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Someone needs to start splashing some Bears. No frigging doubt... It's way passed time to keep allowing this shit.. take out the Bears |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 12:02:37 PM EDT
[#9]
Occupied Mariupol Driven to despair, people no longer hold back and express everything they think about the "humanitarian aid" of the rashists who cannot establish basic supplies in the city and thrust flour and pasta on people, which have nothing to bake and cook.
https://t.me/uniannet/81250
Barretts
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 12:05:56 PM EDT
[#10]
just spitballing here
"napalm drones" even the size of fused basketballs it could possibly amplify the psychological effects on mobliks and provide Ukrainians with the aroma of victory  Even I can think of a dozen reasons why napalm won't work, but creative minds often produce viable ideas  |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 12:07:18 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Yeah this stuff had tungsten cores, needed a police letter all that, they said nope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: The secret ingredient is crime. Yeah this stuff had tungsten cores, needed a police letter all that, they said nope. The secret is ingredient isn’t crime per se. it’s grease. You didn’t grease the skids enough, or at all most likely. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 12:20:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Someone needs to start splashing some Bears. Most certainly. 1. I would be building up at least 100 of those new kamikaze drones that have 1,000km range. 2. Send them at very low altitude at night along multiple waypoints to avoid known Russian SAM sites and make sure 33 drones arrive at the same time at the 3 Russian airbases that they use for these air launched cruise missile attacks. 3. Hit every known working bomber, if there are extra drones, hit high value targets like the A-50 AWACS parked at some of the same airbases, don't forget to hit any ammunition dumps like the cruise missiles for the aircraft. Any additional targets would be the pilots barracks. 4. Profit? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 12:37:33 PM EDT
[#13]
 |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 12:44:56 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Absolutely loitering long-duration drones with manpads like Iglas or Stingers attached, deep inside the rodina near Tu-95 airbases That'll fuck 'em where they're not even expecting AFU to be. |
|
|
|
OH, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 12:59:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
 @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population to get Hungarians elected- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral, but I believe you disagreed with my conclusion.  Ethnic map of Zakarpattia Oblast in 2001 PINK- Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) GREEN- Hungarians YELLOW- Romanians BLUE- mixed Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) and Russians    Understand that I am NOT being confrontational with you, I am interested in your opinion now that this photo of Orbon was posted. |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:03:06 PM EDT
[#16]
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:05:09 PM EDT
[#17]
15min ago.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:07:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#18]
 
|
|
|
|
NV, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:08:26 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Napalm cannisters ( I had to look this up) is 750 pounds, 100 gallons of fuel. Its a good idea if you don't have smart munitions, and have air superiority You need something that lifts it, like a plane, flying flat, low, fast, to spread it around. That's not really survivable. This isnt Vietnam or Iwo Jima. The best warhead I could devise would be like a bouncing betty, going straight down. A lightweight plastic case and explosive blowing some media like ball bearings out sideways. Most of the time using explosives to blow pieces of metal has a longer lethal radius then flaming fuel. I think the optimum warhead would be a little heavier then what they are using, like a couple of pounds, but they're doing it about right. Weight needs power and power makes noise. Noise increases altitude and that decreases accuracy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By doc540: Why no napalm use? have to be new, creative delivery systems somewhere orcs congregated in holes/trenches/bunkers need to keep warm, right? Napalm cannisters ( I had to look this up) is 750 pounds, 100 gallons of fuel. Its a good idea if you don't have smart munitions, and have air superiority You need something that lifts it, like a plane, flying flat, low, fast, to spread it around. That's not really survivable. This isnt Vietnam or Iwo Jima. The best warhead I could devise would be like a bouncing betty, going straight down. A lightweight plastic case and explosive blowing some media like ball bearings out sideways. Most of the time using explosives to blow pieces of metal has a longer lethal radius then flaming fuel. I think the optimum warhead would be a little heavier then what they are using, like a couple of pounds, but they're doing it about right. Weight needs power and power makes noise. Noise increases altitude and that decreases accuracy. These 6lb guided Hatchet munitions they are working on is about that - lightweight warhead full of BB's for optimal frag pattern. Alas still a prototype. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:08:53 PM EDT
[#20]
Guys, I have a HIMARS question for anyone in the know:
I know from reading various sources that the UAF has about 12-14 of these systems. My question is, does the UAF have sufficient ammunition to continually reload these HIMARS systems? CMOS |
|
|
|
WA, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:12:19 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral. There are many arbitrary borders in Europe post WW2. Europeans don't forget. |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:13:40 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Guys, I have a HIMARS question for anyone in the know: I know from reading various sources that the UAF has about 12-14 of these systems. My question is, does the UAF have sufficient ammunition to continually reload these HIMARS systems? They have 16+ HIMARS, and about the same number of M270A1-A2/MARSII units, which can load 2x pods instead of the single pod HIMARS carries. Pod munitions numbers have not been individually disclosed. |
|
|
|
OH, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:14:12 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: There are many arbitrary borders in Europe post WW2. Europeans don't forget. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SBR300BLK: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral. There are many arbitrary borders in Europe post WW2. Europeans don't forget. My Ukrainian family lived in the area where Hungary invaded. I dont forget. |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:14:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
1- If Poland wanted Kaliningrad it would be Polish in about 5 hours and there's fuck all short of NBC the Russians could do about it. 2- Not sure if the talk of using "Phosphorus" has become the new "thermobaric" and is supposed to be viewed as some shocking deviation from the norm. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:19:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Guys, I have a HIMARS question for anyone in the know: I know from reading various sources that the UAF has about 12-14 of these systems. My question is, does the UAF have sufficient ammunition to continually reload these HIMARS systems? CMOS It is supplied monthly, and according to the U.S. they said they were not having trouble keeping Ukraine supplied at the rates they are using it. Recent article. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-pentagon-holds-news-briefing-as-russia-continues-its-barrage-on-ukraines-energy-grid |
|
|
|
FL, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:29:13 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiMdvn6WYAAmtK3?format=jpg&name=large Video of someone being dug out of rubble from last night.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/528B0186-5ABF-4511-90E8-1C39F4B0900A-2610894.jpg Dang. I assume it had the fuse installed. Just a little more penetration and it would have gone off. Very lucky. |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:34:34 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:44:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Charging_Handle]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: What's amazing to me is that those Su-24s are 50+ years old, and the Ukrainians have them fixed up, flying and fighting... As successful as the Ukrainians are operating these old Su-24 Fencers, I'd love to see what they could do with some Tornadoes. The UK has now retired the last of their GR4 Tornadoes. It would be awesome if they donated a batch of these to Ukraine. They were designed to fly the way the Ukrainians are currently operating their Su-24 fleet --- at very low levels. But unlike the Su-24, the Tornado GR4 has a much better selection of munitions it can carry. Just a squadron worth of Tornadoes that can carry Storm Shadow cruise missiles, Brimstone missiles and other modern weapons would allow Ukraine to tear Russia a new asshole. This would be the perfect strike aircraft to replace their Fencers and Frogfoots. 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:46:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: This is what an international legion guy on Reddit said about them: "The Switchblade 300s are very useful, but you have to know when and where to employ them. The warhead is quite small, but the entire system is easily man-portable. It's not going to do anything against a vehicle, but against infantry in a trench it can be quite effective. The Switchblade 300's biggest strength is its range: 10km iirc. There's really no other system you can carry as an infantryman that can hit small targets that far away. When trench lines are 2-3km apart across completely open fields, this capability suddenly becomes very useful. Say, for example, there's an enemy ATGM emplacement 3KM away. That's out of range of Javelins, sniper rifles, most DJI drones, the Carl Gustaf...pretty much everything. But the Switchblade 300 can take out the crew easily; that's well within its range. It's not flashy, but it is still extremely useful in this type of warfare." Point in fact the Javelin missiles are claimed to have a range of 2500m with the first generation CLU but Ukraine claims no loss of effectiveness to 3750m. The same missiles with the new CLU are claimed to have a 4000m range and from a vehicle, a 4750m range. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:47:36 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone.  Attached File |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:49:09 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone.  Attached File |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:50:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: As successful as the Ukrainians are operating these old Su-24 Fencers, I'd love to see what they could do with some Tornadoes. The UK has now retired the last of their GR4 Tornadoes. It would be awesome if they donated a batch of these to Ukraine. They were designed to fly the way the Ukrainians are currently operating their Su-24 fleet --- at very low levels. But unlike the Su-24, the Tornado GR4 has a much better selection of munitions it can carry. Just a squadron worth of Tornadoes that can carry Storm Shadow cruise missiles, Brimstone missiles and other modern weapons would allow Ukraine to tear Russia a new asshole. This would be the perfect strike aircraft to replace their Fencers and Frogfoots. https://d1a2ot8agkqe8w.cloudfront.net/web/2016/06/storm-shadow-on-tornado-at-akrotiri-crown-copyri_67512.jpg I find the CRV7 rocket that these use very exciting. |
|
|
|
OH, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:53:16 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: 
This seems to be another strategy out of the Surovikin playbook. The 'Butcher of Syria' targetted medical facilities as another attempt to destroy civilian morale. |
|
|
SOM
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:53:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiQtXtRXkAE4D2S?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Destroyed S-300s have been a bit rare as of late. Ukraine used to take some out every day. I'm guessing that this is the last war that they will be used in any appreciable amount. |
|
|
FL, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 1:56:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral, but I believe you disagreed with my conclusion. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Etnos0.gif/250px-Etnos0.gif Ethnic map of Zakarpattia Oblast in 2001 PINK- Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) GREEN- Hungarians YELLOW- Romanians BLUE- mixed Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) and Russians https://i.ibb.co/4Z98gkR/20221123-122343.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yq5wNcW/20221123-122403.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GkbDnx0/20221123-122429.jpg Understand that I am NOT being confrontational with you, I am interested in your opinion now that this photo of Orbon was posted. I cannot speak for Jozsi but I think it is possible there was some deal between Putin and Orban. I'd hate to believe it since I support Orban and think his domestic policies are good for Hungary. But there does seem to be some personal animus between Orban and Zelensky and conversely some friendly gestures towards Putin. As an ethnic Hungarian, I'd much rather see closer ties and friendly relations with neighbors who now hold ex-territories. Hungary is 1/4 of it's Greater Hungary size because of stupid military adventurism in WWI and II and I'd hate to see Hungary on the wrong side of another war. |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:08:30 PM EDT
[#36]
I hate rap, so wouldn't know anyone involved in it.
|
|
|
|
IL, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:09:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: Originally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone. Dunno who the guy with the tats is, but the guy on the left is a US You-Tuber, Garand Thumb. Whoever posted that pic was trolling or really ignorant. |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:13:29 PM EDT
[#38]
I know I'm just a stupid American - but I'll never understand the ethno-centric politics and attitudes of Europeans. Those same attitudes have led to centuries of blood letting and misery for those very same societies. But hey - I'm just a stupid American .
|
|
|
|
IL, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:13:40 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I cannot speak for Jozsi but I think it is possible there was some deal between Putin and Orban. I'd hate to believe it since I support Orban and think his domestic policies are good for Hungary. But there does seem to be some personal animus between Orban and Zelensky and conversely some friendly gestures towards Putin. As an ethnic Hungarian, I'd much rather see closer ties and friendly relations with neighbors who now hold ex-territories. Hungary is 1/4 of it's Greater Hungary size because of stupid military adventurism in WWI and II and I'd hate to see Hungary on the wrong side of another war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral, but I believe you disagreed with my conclusion. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Etnos0.gif/250px-Etnos0.gif Ethnic map of Zakarpattia Oblast in 2001 PINK- Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) GREEN- Hungarians YELLOW- Romanians BLUE- mixed Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) and Russians https://i.ibb.co/4Z98gkR/20221123-122343.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yq5wNcW/20221123-122403.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GkbDnx0/20221123-122429.jpg Understand that I am NOT being confrontational with you, I am interested in your opinion now that this photo of Orbon was posted. I cannot speak for Jozsi but I think it is possible there was some deal between Putin and Orban. I'd hate to believe it since I support Orban and think his domestic policies are good for Hungary. But there does seem to be some personal animus between Orban and Zelensky and conversely some friendly gestures towards Putin. As an ethnic Hungarian, I'd much rather see closer ties and friendly relations with neighbors who now hold ex-territories. Hungary is 1/4 of it's Greater Hungary size because of stupid military adventurism in WWI and II and I'd hate to see Hungary on the wrong side of another war. Perun said in his video about Poland and the Ukraine War that Putin offered Poland Lviv and the territory around it for their cooperation…..and the Poles told him to pound sand. |
|
|
MN, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:19:22 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Most certainly. 1. I would be building up at least 100 of those new kamikaze drones that have 1,000km range. 2. Send them at very low altitude at night along multiple waypoints to avoid known Russian SAM sites and make sure 33 drones arrive at the same time at the 3 Russian airbases that they use for these air launched cruise missile attacks. 3. Hit every known working bomber, if there are extra drones, hit high value targets like the A-50 AWACS parked at some of the same airbases, don't forget to hit any ammunition dumps like the cruise missiles for the aircraft. Any additional targets would be the pilots barracks. 4. Profit? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By uxb: Someone needs to start splashing some Bears. Most certainly. 1. I would be building up at least 100 of those new kamikaze drones that have 1,000km range. 2. Send them at very low altitude at night along multiple waypoints to avoid known Russian SAM sites and make sure 33 drones arrive at the same time at the 3 Russian airbases that they use for these air launched cruise missile attacks. 3. Hit every known working bomber, if there are extra drones, hit high value targets like the A-50 AWACS parked at some of the same airbases, don't forget to hit any ammunition dumps like the cruise missiles for the aircraft. Any additional targets would be the pilots barracks. 4. Profit? How do we know the UA haven't tried this on multiple times already? They did try to hit a base on Putin's birthday, same day as the kerch bridge strike. |
|
|
OK, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:21:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral, but I believe you disagreed with my conclusion. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Etnos0.gif/250px-Etnos0.gif Ethnic map of Zakarpattia Oblast in 2001 PINK- Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) GREEN- Hungarians YELLOW- Romanians BLUE- mixed Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) and Russians https://i.ibb.co/4Z98gkR/20221123-122343.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yq5wNcW/20221123-122403.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GkbDnx0/20221123-122429.jpg Understand that I am NOT being confrontational with you, I am interested in your opinion now that this photo of Orbon was posted. Hungary was excessively punished after WW1. No other country lost as much land. The punishment for losing WW1 is still a factor, and still a sore point for Hungarians. Hungarians (from what I'm told) are treated poorly in Romania. Organized crime in Hungary from Ukraine is also a big deal. It's a giant complicated mess. |
|
|
OK, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:23:52 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone. You know that is Post Malone.....right? |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:25:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Post Malone is a real gun guy.
|
|
|
|
OH, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:28:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I cannot speak for Jozsi but I think it is possible there was some deal between Putin and Orban. I'd hate to believe it since I support Orban and think his domestic policies are good for Hungary. But there does seem to be some personal animus between Orban and Zelensky and conversely some friendly gestures towards Putin. As an ethnic Hungarian, I'd much rather see closer ties and friendly relations with neighbors who now hold ex-territories. Hungary is 1/4 of it's Greater Hungary size because of stupid military adventurism in WWI and II and I'd hate to see Hungary on the wrong side of another war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral, but I believe you disagreed with my conclusion. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Etnos0.gif/250px-Etnos0.gif Ethnic map of Zakarpattia Oblast in 2001 PINK- Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) GREEN- Hungarians YELLOW- Romanians BLUE- mixed Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) and Russians https://i.ibb.co/4Z98gkR/20221123-122343.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yq5wNcW/20221123-122403.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GkbDnx0/20221123-122429.jpg Understand that I am NOT being confrontational with you, I am interested in your opinion now that this photo of Orbon was posted. I cannot speak for Jozsi but I think it is possible there was some deal between Putin and Orban. I'd hate to believe it since I support Orban and think his domestic policies are good for Hungary. But there does seem to be some personal animus between Orban and Zelensky and conversely some friendly gestures towards Putin. As an ethnic Hungarian, I'd much rather see closer ties and friendly relations with neighbors who now hold ex-territories. Hungary is 1/4 of it's Greater Hungary size because of stupid military adventurism in WWI and II and I'd hate to see Hungary on the wrong side of another war. Interesting perspective. Thanks. |
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:29:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Someone needs to start splashing some Bears. I'm surprised SF hasn't infiltrated near an airfield and taken one down with an Igla. |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:44:07 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is supplied monthly, and according to the U.S. they said they were not having trouble keeping Ukraine supplied at the rates they are using it. Recent article. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-pentagon-holds-news-briefing-as-russia-continues-its-barrage-on-ukraines-energy-grid No specifics at all in that article. I'd hate to have any of the UAF's HIMARS sitting with empty tubes..... CMOS |
|
|
|
CT, USA
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:46:49 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: I'm surprised SF hasn't infiltrated near an airfield and taken one down with an Igla. If you could get somebody on the airfield it would be as simple as walking around and placing a charge on the wing of each bomber. Or if you can’t gain access due to ground security, sitting in the woods and launching a swarm of switchblades or quad copters with a small explosive. Now that would probably be a suicide mission unless you could somehow pre-program it and get miles and miles out of the area before it happened |
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:55:09 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: As successful as the Ukrainians are operating these old Su-24 Fencers, I'd love to see what they could do with some Tornadoes. The UK has now retired the last of their GR4 Tornadoes. It would be awesome if they donated a batch of these to Ukraine. They were designed to fly the way the Ukrainians are currently operating their Su-24 fleet --- at very low levels. But unlike the Su-24, the Tornado GR4 has a much better selection of munitions it can carry. Just a squadron worth of Tornadoes that can carry Storm Shadow cruise missiles, Brimstone missiles and other modern weapons would allow Ukraine to tear Russia a new asshole. This would be the perfect strike aircraft to replace their Fencers and Frogfoots. https://d1a2ot8agkqe8w.cloudfront.net/web/2016/06/storm-shadow-on-tornado-at-akrotiri-crown-copyri_67512.jpg |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:58:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: Yeah, R0N is losing me. I thought it was due to the improper use and lack of Himars rockets since he mentioned he has special intel, which I could understand . Then it was a fear of a void/vacuum if Putin left. I'm starting to see he has different issues now. I asked for ideas a 1000 pages back along with others and we'll, I haven't read of any ideas yet from R0N Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j_hooker: Originally Posted By postpostban: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By R0N: That sounds good and may make a good bumper sticker but in the real world you cannot trade dead Ukrainians for new control and steering units for M31s, IMX 101 for M795s, seekers for JAVs etc we now need to buy. That's not how war works. As the poster above me said, Ukraine better align with us. They have nautical resources and a work force that can be used to cover that. I have a feeling I know quite a bit more about how war works than most And you may want to look up lend lease, because some nations are still making payments on that So what EXACTLY do you think the US government should be doing? You keep beating the same bushes, but you don't seem to actually get to a point. Yeah, R0N is losing me. I thought it was due to the improper use and lack of Himars rockets since he mentioned he has special intel, which I could understand . Then it was a fear of a void/vacuum if Putin left. I'm starting to see he has different issues now. I asked for ideas a 1000 pages back along with others and we'll, I haven't read of any ideas yet from R0N RON could tighten his resistance to social engineering in this thread. There are three or four he should send to his ignore list. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 11/23/2022 2:59:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alex9661]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _disconnector_: I know I'm just a stupid American - but I'll never understand the ethno-centric politics and attitudes of Europeans. Those same attitudes have led to centuries of blood letting and misery for those very same societies. But hey - I'm just a stupid American . It's really quite simple. With high population density in an agrarian society, you need to minimize the number of people feeding off the land in your neighborhood to survive. For obvious reasons, you start by eliminating those who speak different language and prey in a different way. You kill one of theirs, they kill one of yours, now you're in a Hatfield and McCoy on steroids territory. It may be difficult to understand for someone whose ancestors stepped off the boat and immediately grabbed a piece of land the size of Rhode Island with nobody opposing them. |
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
Attached File
