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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 6:34:23 AM EDT
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Russian Duma Deputy
Today, the Russian Ministry of Defense is conducting another exchange of prisoners of war - 35 to 35. 🙏 https://t.me/saraliev/974 🙃Meet Yegor Burkin, the owner of the drug forum Rutor. https://t.me/news_thedarknet/37 |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 6:34:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Next wave of attacks coming in.
⚠️Enemy aviation activity, Engels airfield!
5 Russian missile launches reported by Governor Kim https://t.me/mykolaivskaODA/3549 From other aircraft in the Mariupol area https://t.me/mykolaivskaODA/3550
Explosions are reported in the Odessa region. We check the information. DEATH TO THE RUSSIAN OCCUPANTS! https://t.me/dumskaya_net/47314 ❗️ The launch of missiles from the eastern direction was recorded. 🚀
‼️ 10 Tu-95 launches are reported at 12:40 p.m
"Two rockets fly to Zaporozhye, and one from Melitopol to Kryvyi Rih."
SKETCHY SOURCE
Dnipropetrovsk region, air defense is working! We don't post anything on social media! @Easterner https://t.me/mykola_lukashuk/2479 Dnipro government There is a threat of a missile strike, missile launches have been recorded. Please stay in shelters, no target information available at this time. The terrorist country of the Russian Federation has again taken up its own. Intimidation of the civilian population, pressure. Today, MEPs will vote on the resolution recognizing Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. So, Russia decided to demonstratively "play its muscles" again. https://t.me/mykola_lukashuk/2478
Smoke is visible in the region https://t.me/dnepr_operativ A rocket is heading from Konotop to Kyiv 🚀...
Explosion in Mykolaiv
Explosions rang out in the Kremenchutsky district kop.net.ua/u-kremechutsko… Explosions are reported in the Kremenchutskyi district, the air defense is working as a preliminary.
⚡️Explosions are heard in Kremenchuk district of Poltava region, subscribers report. Previously, air defense is working. We are waiting for official information.
A group of rockets is flying through Lozova in the direction of the Dnieper, be careful!
‼️They are reporting a rocket in the direction of Zaporizhzhia - it was seen two minutes ago by Orihiv https://t.me/info_zp Approximately 20 cruise missiles were launched over Ukraine.
Missiles headed to Odesa https://t.me/mykolaivskaODA/3552
“Arrivals” in Odesa https://t.me/chatodessa000/645436 groups of rockets in the direction of Kyiv Oblast, Vinnytsia Oblast may change direction
Flight of 8 rockets over Kremenchuk!
Air defenses active in Kyiv
Air defenses active in Mykolaiv https://t.me/oleksiihoncharenko ❗Unfortunately, there is a blow to the Dnipro beforehand.
Multiple explosions in Kyiv, with power outage
Left bank area of Kyiv Guess it wasn’t enough to just get the maternity ward. Explosions in Vinnytsia Channel about Vinnytsia: https://t.me/kievreal1/31634 |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 6:55:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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A couple days ago a Russian unit dimed out their command to political leadership and were forced to record an apology video/retraction. Now the unit was rotated out, except for everyone who complained.
“I think they want to completely eliminate all objectionable people.” Marines from Pavlovka, who wrote complaints against commanders, (not) taken away from the front line https://zona.media/article/2022/11/23/pavlovka On November 14, it became known that the Russian military had captured the village of Pavlovka in the Donetsk region. "Mediazona" told how, shortly before this, marines from the 155th separate guards brigade stationed in Vladivostok complained to the head of Primorye about heavy fighting and high losses, after which they were forced to record a video with a refutation (the videos appeared on the governor's telegram channel) and left to storm fortified areas. Now the command punishes those who are dissatisfied by refusing to take them out of Pavlovka. In early November, marines from the 155th separate guards brigade wrote an appeal to the governor of Primorye, Oleg Kozhemyako, in which they spoke about the heavy losses that the command hides. The full appeal appeared on November 6 on the Gray Zone telegram channel : “Once again, we were thrown into an incomprehensible offensive by General Muradov and his countryman Akhmedov , in order for Muradov to earn bonuses before Gerasimovand Akhmedov Muradov promised a hero of Russia. As a result, we and the marines of Kamchatka are advancing on Pavlovka. As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great generals", we lost about 300 people in 4 days, killed, wounded and missing. 50 percent technology. This is just our team. The command of the district, together with Akhmedov, hide this and take the official figures of losses for fear of responsibility. Oleg Kozhemyako instructed the prosecutor's office to check the information, but did not rule out that "this is stuffing from the enemy." He then posted three videos, allegedly from Marines from the 155th Brigade and members of the Tiger Volunteer Battalion. On them, the military says that the battles are really heavy, and there are losses, but "everything is fine." The Ministry of Defense also claimed that the unit's losses "do not exceed 1% of the combat strength and 7% of the wounded." On Tuesday, November 22, a contract soldier from the 155th brigade contacted Mediazona again , who said that the military who expressed dissatisfaction were left in Pavlovka, while the rest were taken to the rear. The editorial cites his story: There were about 4,000 people in the brigade. It's not all the people who fight. There is a rear, artillery units and so on. In our BTG , this is plus or minus 500 people, which was constantly understaffed. There is not only one BTGr in Ukraine. In other sectors of the front, our assault detachments are involved. I have been in this direction for three months. There were fights every day, there were two dense days - November 9 and 10. For all the time near Pavlovka, about 450-500 people died. The response to the letter [to the governor] was not the way we expected. We thought that the command would change tactics. The letter was not written by me personally, but by a neighboring company. Refuseniks are threatened with criminal charges. I personally wrote a refusal, but my report miraculously disappeared. [November 14] Pavlovka was taken under full control, but more people were lost. Our command decided to make a circus. They decided that [the military] should be rewarded. In a word, they kept the shoulder straps for themselves, and for us, so that they do not arise, we each have a medal. Only we don’t fucking need them, the boys can’t be returned. Everyone is psychologically depressed. No one is celebrating, because a lot of boys died. I myself lost four friends in just two days. It just infuriates that the command does not think about people. They need medals, shoulder straps, and these bitches are ready to send people to certain death. They think that if they give us a medal, then we should forget everything and close our mouths, but they are mistaken, because their friends did not die, but they themselves are sitting in the rear in warmth. Now they are still thinking about something else, how to get the Hero of Russia and new stars for shoulder straps. The command decided to withdraw the brigade from Pavlovka. We were all very happy, but not for long. Not everyone will be taken out. Those who were most indignant, who wrote the letter and refused to storm, remain further in their positions, and those who did not conflict with the command will be taken to the rear for rotation. I remain, I did not hide my position. In a word, we still feel the consequences of the letter. They do not draw conclusions, but only punish. I think that they want to completely eliminate all unwanted people, and during hostilities this is not a problem, but even very easy. Once again I am convinced how much my life is worth nothing here. [We] are controlled by those who don't care about people, but not about their shoulder straps and reputation. It's very scary to realize this. They will never say [that this is a punishment], but think for yourself: after the letter, we were sent to storm, and then, miraculously, those who were indignant remain further in their positions, while others are taken to the rear. We all understand very well why this is so. 100-150 people are left, and approximately the same number is taken out - maybe more. We will not be replaced, since we received the task of strengthening the defense in Pavlovka and preparing for assault operations. We live in trenches and in houses that have more or less survived. The brigade is almost completely broken, they have already understaffed, but you need to understand that everything depends on those old servicemen who train the young, and therefore the brigade does not completely lose its combat effectiveness. Now, when we are gradually being destroyed and mobilized are being recruited, there is no sense in such a unit. There are a lot of mobilized people in the brigade, because the losses were heavy in Pavlovka. Weapons are mostly small arms. There are almost no heavy weapons. Tanks and other armored vehicles have been destroyed, and what remains is either only firing or only driving. Food is very scarce. We go, we collect in the cellars what is left. Basically they bring dry rations, and even then not always. Losses near Pavlovka alone were about 450 [persons]. For all the time of hostilities, up to 900 people were wounded and killed, but more than half of those killed. People are thinking of deserting, and I understand them and I myself think how to do it. I have always served the Motherland honestly and used to condemn this, but now this is probably the only way to save my life. I cannot understand why there is such an attitude towards personnel, if there are not enough people and they are mobilizing. Editor: Dmitry Treschanin ————————————————- Another unit We were thrown like meat to the ground... There was no preparation... Our kobmat refused us... We were driven through the forests for weeks... We were not provided with normal weapons... We were not provided with uniforms... We were not informed about where and why we were going... This is how we mobilized from Serpukhov complain about the attitude of the top military leadership towards them. So why did you go here at all? Telegram | Facebook | Twitter Send News/Photo/Video ⬇️⬇️⬇️ @mysiagin_chat https://t.me/mysiagin/18050 |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:16:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SoCalExile]
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:47:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: Why no napalm use? have to be new, creative delivery systems somewhere orcs congregated in holes/trenches/bunkers need to keep warm, right? Napalm cannisters ( I had to look this up) is 750 pounds, 100 gallons of fuel. Its a good idea if you don't have smart munitions, and have air superiority You need something that lifts it, like a plane, flying flat, low, fast, to spread it around. That's not really survivable. This isnt Vietnam or Iwo Jima. The best warhead I could devise would be like a bouncing betty, going straight down. A lightweight plastic case and explosive blowing some media like ball bearings out sideways. Most of the time using explosives to blow pieces of metal has a longer lethal radius then flaming fuel. I think the optimum warhead would be a little heavier then what they are using, like a couple of pounds, but they're doing it about right. Weight needs power and power makes noise. Noise increases altitude and that decreases accuracy. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:47:55 AM EDT
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 Ukrainian Consequences: American Strategy |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:48:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:50:22 AM EDT
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https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-supplied-laser-guided-missiles-ukraine
Turkey delivered dozens of TRLG-230 precision-guided missiles to Ukraine in the early summer, two sources familiar with the issue told Middle East Eye. Developed by Turkish producer Roketsan, the 230mm TRLG-230 missile has high accuracy against targets within a range of 20-70 km, thanks to its global positioning system (GPS) and laser guidance. The TRLG-230 can be combined with multiple rocket launchers, known as MLRS, whose American equivalent, the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), has been very effective against the Russian forces in Ukraine. MEE understands that around 50 TRLG-230 missiles have been shipped to Ukraine, confirming what defence blog Oryx reported on Monday. One source said as many as 200 missiles could have been shipped so far. Orxy said in an article that the guided missile could be combined with Turkey’s famed Bayraktar TB2 armed drones, which could pinpoint targets for the guided missile and help successfully destroy them within a range of 70 kilometers. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:51:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:10:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Turkey hit a couple oil facilities and a “international coalition” (Russian) base last night killing two SDF members. Locals say that the Russians left before and returned after, indicating cooperation with Turkey.
https://hawarnews.com/ar/mobile/?page=haber&ID=73748  https://hawarnews.com/ar/mobile/?page=haber&ID=73752 
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:15:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: That always seemed like an extremely cool and promising option. Basically like a rocket launched mini airstrike the way it can fly in a 360 degree pattern.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0Soon there will be no such thing as a safe space. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:17:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNoticing a few people mentioning cost/benefits now, first minute or so:  The Russians Admit Defeat - The Worst Has Yet To Come |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:34:00 AM EDT
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"The European Parliament has declared Russia as a "state sponsor of terrorism" over the "brutal and inhumane" acts inflicted upon Ukraine and its citizens since the launch of the invasion."
"The strongly-worded resolution was overwhelmingly approved on Wednesday afternoon with 494 votes in favour, 58 against and 44 abstentions, during the monthly plenary session in Strasbourg." https://www.google.com/amp/www.euronews.com/my-europe/amp/2022/11/23/ukraine-war-european-parliament-declares-russia-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism |
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AB, CAN
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:45:32 AM EDT
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Trolling or just tarded?
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:45:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: "The European Parliament has declared Russia as a "state sponsor of terrorism" over the "brutal and inhumane" acts inflicted upon Ukraine and its citizens since the launch of the invasion." "The strongly-worded resolution was overwhelmingly approved on Wednesday afternoon with 494 votes in favour, 58 against and 44 abstentions, during the monthly plenary session in Strasbourg." https://www.google.com/amp/www.euronews.com/my-europe/amp/2022/11/23/ukraine-war-european-parliament-declares-russia-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism Good news. They're finally recognized officially for who they are. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:01:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Easterner]
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Power is out as of about 30 minutes ago. Water is also out. (Dnipro)
The whole country has been under air raid alert for over two hours. Just read this in Instagram.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:33:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:34:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:34:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:39:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:40:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:40:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Video of one hit in Tweet.
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:43:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:56:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:59:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:59:53 AM EDT
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Maybe it's a propaganda play, but videos like this suggest that it would take total defeat to change the hearts and minds of some. I wonder what percentage of Russia actually thinks this way?
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1595357987677290497 Other translated content indicates that they believe they are fighting the whole of NATO or at least the US and Poland, which only strengthens the Russia stronk delusion. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:00:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:02:26 AM EDT
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“But we do t want to give you ATACMS or a Russia will escalate”
(Russia launching 100 cruise missiles at a time against civilian infrastructure and civilian population centers) |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:06:45 AM EDT
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Whatever happened of the hyped up switchblade attack drones?
There was supposed to be a lot of anticipated videos of this things zoning in on russian SAMs etc, after getting shot out of mortar tubes. Did they never get many or any? Or did they fizzle out and prove to be ineffective or duds? |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:09:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Whatever happened of the hyped up switchblade attack drones? There was supposed to be a lot of anticipated videos of this things zoning in on russian SAMs etc, after getting shot out of mortar tubes. Did they never get many or any? Or did they fizzle out and prove to be ineffective or duds? Ukranian MOD is a lot tighter about releasing videos than the territorial defense guys. Wonder if theyre getting prioritized to special ops and such |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:14:38 AM EDT
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⚡ Air defense forces shot down 8 rockets in the Kremenchuk district, RVA
https://t.me/operativnoZSU/58283 |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:17:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Whatever happened of the hyped up switchblade attack drones? There was supposed to be a lot of anticipated videos of this things zoning in on russian SAMs etc, after getting shot out of mortar tubes. Did they never get many or any? Or did they fizzle out and prove to be ineffective or duds? Oh they work, but the company did not want the videos to be available to the public because you basically get to see the targets facial expressions as it comes in, considered bad press. A few videos slipped out, they are basically assinations of Russian higher ranking leadership and FSB targets. The fact Ukraine wanted a custom upgraded longer range version and got shipped 1,700 of them last month does not point to a failed system. Tank crew:  Ukrainian SSO (SOF) published rare footage of kamikaze drone in action, US-supplied Switchblade 300 FSB target in Russian territory:  Failed To Load Title Machine gun nest: [youtube]shorts/APIo7Rpgdrg?feature=share[/youtube] Compilation of footage: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/vubqno/switchblade_usage_in_ukraine_compilation_unseen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:23:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:32:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Whatever happened of the hyped up switchblade attack drones? There was supposed to be a lot of anticipated videos of this things zoning in on russian SAMs etc, after getting shot out of mortar tubes. Did they never get many or any? Or did they fizzle out and prove to be ineffective or duds? I was hoping to see video of the switchblade 600 attacking something. It has a Javelin like charge |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:34:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: “But we do t want to give you ATACMS or a Russia will escalate” (Russia launching 100 cruise missiles at a time against civilian infrastructure and civilian population centers) are these the missiles being supplied by Iran? |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:36:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stevo89: Trolling or just tarded?
Sig mcx? |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:45:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Whatever happened of the hyped up switchblade attack drones? There was supposed to be a lot of anticipated videos of this things zoning in on russian SAMs etc, after getting shot out of mortar tubes. Did they never get many or any? Or did they fizzle out and prove to be ineffective or duds? This is what an international legion guy on Reddit said about them: "The Switchblade 300s are very useful, but you have to know when and where to employ them. The warhead is quite small, but the entire system is easily man-portable. It's not going to do anything against a vehicle, but against infantry in a trench it can be quite effective. The Switchblade 300's biggest strength is its range: 10km iirc. There's really no other system you can carry as an infantryman that can hit small targets that far away. When trench lines are 2-3km apart across completely open fields, this capability suddenly becomes very useful. Say, for example, there's an enemy ATGM emplacement 3KM away. That's out of range of Javelins, sniper rifles, most DJI drones, the Carl Gustaf...pretty much everything. But the Switchblade 300 can take out the crew easily; that's well within its range. It's not flashy, but it is still extremely useful in this type of warfare." |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:49:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmboom: Sig mcx? It's Post Malone and Garand Thumb I would have thought the 600's would have made more of a difference as well. A longer range Jav in quantity should be game changer on the ground. Maybe that new shipment will be effective or they are working and we don't know about it. There was early rumblings that they were complicated to use but i find that hard to believe or at least easily fixable. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:52:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63724710.amp As a Hungarian who was born in one of those ex-Hungarian territories, I will say that agitating for the old glory days is folly. The best path forward is to develop close ties with the neighbors so they will appreciate their minority communities rather than antagonizing them into fearing them. I think Orban is trying to reach out to the nationalistic wing of his party, tickling their nostalgia and pride in what Hungary WAS. It's just domestic politics. I hope nothing more. If nothing else, Orban should learn from Putin that agitating minorities to rise up against their benevolent home countries is a fucking disaster. At best you get Donbas in 2014, at worst you get Donbas in 2022. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:52:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Russian Duma Deputy Today, the Russian Ministry of Defense is conducting another exchange of prisoners of war - 35 to 35. 🙏 https://t.me/saraliev/974 🙃Meet Yegor Burkin, the owner of the drug forum Rutor. https://t.me/news_thedarknet/37 Who is yegor?? The second vid |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 10:58:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Napalm cannisters ( I had to look this up) is 750 pounds, 100 gallons of fuel. Its a good idea if you don't have smart munitions, and have air superiority You need something that lifts it, like a plane, flying flat, low, fast, to spread it around. That's not really survivable. This isnt Vietnam or Iwo Jima. The best warhead I could devise would be like a bouncing betty, going straight down. A lightweight plastic case and explosive blowing some media like ball bearings out sideways. Most of the time using explosives to blow pieces of metal has a longer lethal radius then flaming fuel. I think the optimum warhead would be a little heavier then what they are using, like a couple of pounds, but they're doing it about right. Weight needs power and power makes noise. Noise increases altitude and that decreases accuracy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By doc540: Why no napalm use? have to be new, creative delivery systems somewhere orcs congregated in holes/trenches/bunkers need to keep warm, right? Napalm cannisters ( I had to look this up) is 750 pounds, 100 gallons of fuel. Its a good idea if you don't have smart munitions, and have air superiority You need something that lifts it, like a plane, flying flat, low, fast, to spread it around. That's not really survivable. This isnt Vietnam or Iwo Jima. The best warhead I could devise would be like a bouncing betty, going straight down. A lightweight plastic case and explosive blowing some media like ball bearings out sideways. Most of the time using explosives to blow pieces of metal has a longer lethal radius then flaming fuel. I think the optimum warhead would be a little heavier then what they are using, like a couple of pounds, but they're doing it about right. Weight needs power and power makes noise. Noise increases altitude and that decreases accuracy. 100 percent agree.. If Ukraine could even deliver an airstrike like dropping napalm canisters from 100 meters off the deck doing .7 Mach onto a trench, I'm sure they would already be doing it, they have a smorgasbord of munitions to choose from, from some of the top/major Nato nations. They are NOT lacking in knowing they are doing the best they can with what they have. . And just like you described. Ukraine is using a weapon like that. HIMARS. And stacking bodies with it if they thought risking a fighter and pilot to drop some cans of gas was better they would be doing it |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:00:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:01:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: This is the definition of perfidy: "In the context of war, perfidy is a form of deception in which one side promises to act in good faith with the intention of breaking that promise once the unsuspecting enemy is exposed." Ukrainian troops were following SOP. Accepting the surrender of a larger force by a smaller force is the most dangerous operation you can conduct. They know they have to expose themselves to accept the surrender and the UA troops did well. The MG is used to cover the surrendering troops and is responsible for shooting anyone that moves without being ordered to. The Ruskies were supposed to come out slowly and unarmed and lay down in front of the MG. Then the UA would call them one by one to get up and walk over to the side, where UA would search and detain them. Then the searched and restrained Ruskies would be placed behind the MG. At no point does a UA soldier move toward the surrendering Ruskies as that puts himself in danger and reduces the field of fire of the MG. This shit isn't hard. It won't take too much more of this kind of savagery and the UA may get to the point like we did in WW2 in the Pacific. It becomes too dangerous to your own guys due to perfidy where you can't accept surrenders of enemy troops and then it's just a fight to the death. The orcs lost their protection of surrender when they committed perfidy, which is a war crime, and they were sent to meet their maker. Case closed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YaNi05: Originally Posted By meistermash: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By theskuh: Whoa remember all those dead Russian's with the chickens? That was speculated was a dump for dead bodies. They were surrendering and one of them decided to open up on the Ukrainians. They then wasted the whole bunch.
Have we seen the rest of that video? Is there more to be seen? I can certainly see killing the idiot that comes out shooting. AND, I can certainly see some of the surrendered RU getting some hits in the confused firefight. But were they all intentionally sprayed for good measure? They ALL seem to have died where they laid, mostly with headshots? *I come from an LE background and have been in situations where a bunch of folks surrender but one asshole shows his ass but the cooperating surrenders are still off limits to the use of force (yes I know war is very different) Well in the video I saw, there was a proned out UA soldier there with a belt fed lined up on the orcs on the ground. I suppose when that other orc sonofawhore started shooting, proned out guy yanked the trigger and made those other orcs good orcs. Which is unfortunate because they looked surrendered. Would like to see more of that video. This is the definition of perfidy: "In the context of war, perfidy is a form of deception in which one side promises to act in good faith with the intention of breaking that promise once the unsuspecting enemy is exposed." Ukrainian troops were following SOP. Accepting the surrender of a larger force by a smaller force is the most dangerous operation you can conduct. They know they have to expose themselves to accept the surrender and the UA troops did well. The MG is used to cover the surrendering troops and is responsible for shooting anyone that moves without being ordered to. The Ruskies were supposed to come out slowly and unarmed and lay down in front of the MG. Then the UA would call them one by one to get up and walk over to the side, where UA would search and detain them. Then the searched and restrained Ruskies would be placed behind the MG. At no point does a UA soldier move toward the surrendering Ruskies as that puts himself in danger and reduces the field of fire of the MG. This shit isn't hard. It won't take too much more of this kind of savagery and the UA may get to the point like we did in WW2 in the Pacific. It becomes too dangerous to your own guys due to perfidy where you can't accept surrenders of enemy troops and then it's just a fight to the death. The orcs lost their protection of surrender when they committed perfidy, which is a war crime, and they were sent to meet their maker. Case closed. Great post. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:02:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Who is yegor?? The second vid Russian who runs a drug forum on the dark web. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:04:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: 100 percent agree.. If Ukraine could even deliver an airstrike like dropping napalm canisters from 100 meters off the deck doing .7 Mach onto a trench, I'm sure they would already be doing it, they have a smorgasbord of munitions to choose from, from some of the top/major Nato nations. They are NOT lacking in knowing they are doing the best they can with what they have. . And just like you described. Ukraine is using a weapon like that. HIMARS. And stacking bodies with it if they thought risking a fighter and pilot to drop some cans of gas was better they would be doing it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By CharlieR: Originally Posted By doc540: Why no napalm use? have to be new, creative delivery systems somewhere orcs congregated in holes/trenches/bunkers need to keep warm, right? Napalm cannisters ( I had to look this up) is 750 pounds, 100 gallons of fuel. Its a good idea if you don't have smart munitions, and have air superiority You need something that lifts it, like a plane, flying flat, low, fast, to spread it around. That's not really survivable. This isnt Vietnam or Iwo Jima. The best warhead I could devise would be like a bouncing betty, going straight down. A lightweight plastic case and explosive blowing some media like ball bearings out sideways. Most of the time using explosives to blow pieces of metal has a longer lethal radius then flaming fuel. I think the optimum warhead would be a little heavier then what they are using, like a couple of pounds, but they're doing it about right. Weight needs power and power makes noise. Noise increases altitude and that decreases accuracy. 100 percent agree.. If Ukraine could even deliver an airstrike like dropping napalm canisters from 100 meters off the deck doing .7 Mach onto a trench, I'm sure they would already be doing it, they have a smorgasbord of munitions to choose from, from some of the top/major Nato nations. They are NOT lacking in knowing they are doing the best they can with what they have. . And just like you described. Ukraine is using a weapon like that. HIMARS. And stacking bodies with it if they thought risking a fighter and pilot to drop some cans of gas was better they would be doing it We have seen some footage where the Russian air defenses were knocked out to the point Ukrainian Su-24's were making paradrag bomb runs on Russian armor. I sort of wonder if Ukraine has any fuel air explosive dumb bombs.  BLU-96/B 2000lb Fuel-Air Explosive (FAE II) Bomb |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:13:09 AM EDT
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ISW assessment for November 22nd.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-22 The Russian military is likely experiencing problems in replenishing its arsenal of high-precision weapons systems. Ukrainian Air Force Command spokesperson Yuriy Ignat stated on November 21 that Russia is experiencing problems with the supply of Iranian missiles to the Russian Federation.[17] Ignat speculated that diplomatic resources, negotiations, or other countries’ influence may have impacted Iran’s ability or willingness to supply Russia with ballistic missiles.[18] ISW has previously assessed that Russia is increasingly dependent on Iran for the provision of high-precision weapons systems.[19] Ignat also reported that Russia lacks the necessary components produced abroad to support the manufacturing of the number of missiles it needs for its campaign against Ukrainian infrastructure.[20] Reznikov stated that Russia manufactured 120 Kalibr and Kh-101 missiles and 360 Kh-35 missiles since February 2022, allowing the Russian military to partially offset the heavy use of these weapons systems in massive strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure.[21] Russia likely significantly strained the existing capacity of its military industry in producing these missiles. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:18:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:20:01 AM EDT
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 Video of someone being dug out of rubble from last night.
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:21:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's it? That is all you got for protesting? I guess they don't really care about their husbands, sons, and brothers. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 11:22:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiMdvn6WYAAmtK3?format=jpg&name=large Video of someone being dug out of rubble from last night.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/528B0186-5ABF-4511-90E8-1C39F4B0900A-2610894.jpg Interesting, so they are starting to intercept Lancet drones. |
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