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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
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This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:26:47 AM EDT
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Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room.
Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:26:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: From kindergarten to my early 20s we lived about 15 min from Youngstown. From traveling and spending most of the next 20yrs down south I absolutely miss and appreciate the huge Greek/Italian/Polish, etc influence on food. Best cold weather comfort food on earth. Hot sausage and peppers, cheeses....I'm so fucking tired of BBQ  Insert 'thats bait' pic here. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:32:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: This may have been posted (I haven't caught up with the last few pages), but I think it's possible that the Russians may push through Belarus towards Lviv, as opposed to pushing towards Kyiv again. The main reason I think that is, it gives them an opportunity to directly attack Ukrainian supply lines and attempt to interrupt the flow of Western weapons. Of course, the Russian and perhaps Belarusian troops in Western Ukraine would eventually get slaughtered, but that doesn't matter to Putin. Honestly, I think this is one of Putin's few remaining moves. Russia's push at Kyiv failed on logistics. Going even farther from their bases and supplies would be an even more epic fail. Not that they wouldn't try anyway, but get your popcorn out if they do. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:33:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfrRpG-XwAAmKJ3?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfrRpHBXoAQAxFr?format=jpg&name=small Damn, must have torn those guys up having to leave him. Looks like they're taking good care of him now! 
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:41:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: To be honest, the stinger is pretty much considered obsolete, and going to be replaced by the Maneuver-Short Range Air Defense (M-SHORAD) system by 2027, with large manufacturing orders for it. 
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:47:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room. Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. Excellent content: Deterrence to war is built on our credibility and perception of our adversaries that we posses the will to fight and win, or support those that do. There’s a certain audience here in GD that are incapable of comprehending such a basic concept, unfortunately. In before “I’m tired of being the world’s police” 
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:52:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I think this is kind of chicken or egg scenario. Russia rolls up Ukraine in a month, they are a much stronger army and in a much more threatening position towards Europe. Sure they still have all their issues, but they are emboldened, and the risk is undoubtedly higher for Europe. We can say now they conventionally aren't a threat to Europe cause they are getting ass kicked in Ukraine. Hindsight and all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By R0N: , and the risk to their European neighbors was over rated, We can say now they conventionally aren't a threat to Europe cause they are getting ass kicked in Ukraine. Hindsight and all. There is some speculation in saying "Russia proved they're no threat." If the three-day decapitation had actually worked, Russia would have had a great live-training exercise for extending that to Baltics, which they had publicly said they wanted. If their initial plan had worked, they would be in full control of everything east of Lviv, and all Moldova. Who knows if they really would have rolled into the Baltics, but the calculus would have been dramatically different throughout the West, and Russia would currently be looking far scarier right now. "Big, bad Russia" would be back, and perception is in some ways more important that reality. We now perceive Russia to be weak and a paper tiger. If things had gone differently, we would perceive Russia to be as strong as they claim to be, and our policy would reflect that perception. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 11:57:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Sort of, and perhaps that’s another strategy available to the Communist Chinese; drag the war out and the American public will eventually demand a unilateral withdrawal. I don’t think it’s a viable COA though, in that America and our allies could inflict too much damage to the CCF getting to that tipping point. The Asian gal on the Red team was my favorite-seemed to be very authentic in the way she calculated and weighed her decisions. Yeah she was |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Yeah she was Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Sort of, and perhaps that’s another strategy available to the Communist Chinese; drag the war out and the American public will eventually demand a unilateral withdrawal. I don’t think it’s a viable COA though, in that America and our allies could inflict too much damage to the CCF getting to that tipping point. The Asian gal on the Red team was my favorite-seemed to be very authentic in the way she calculated and weighed her decisions. Yeah she was Interesting how it was brought up that taking out targets in HI would galvanize public support for war based on being a “Pearl Harbor moment”. I’m sure the CCP would be effectively pushing the message that the attack on the U.S. was “blowback” for meddling in the region, and we’d have a large group of useful idiots here blaming America for our dead, while demanding we surrender to CCP demands. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:09:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room. Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. Good point, 2 of my favorite movie scenes are in these clips because the significance of will is included in the dialogue  Batman Begins - The Will to Act (Training Scene HD)  Ras Al-Ghul burn down Wayne Mansion | Batman Begins | 4K HDR |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Interesting how it was brought up that taking out targets in HI would galvanize public support for war based on being a “Pearl Harbor moment”. I’m sure the CCP would be effectively pushing the message that the attack on the U.S. was “blowback” for meddling in the region, and we’d have a large group of useful idiots here blaming America for our dead, while demanding we surrender to CCP demands. Hell I can even guess their screennames.... |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:11:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Putin's troops moan that they have been issued with plastic paintball masks, children's gloves and rubber boots to fight on the front line of Russia's war with Ukraine https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/22/12/63741573-11343137-The_man_holds_a_paintball_mask_angry_that_this_is_the_protection-m-27_1666437016646.jpg Video Putin's troops moaned that they have been issued with plastic paintball masks, children's gloves and rubber boots to fight in Ukraine. Footage taken in Stavropol region in southern Russia reveals a man complaining about the pitiful resources he has for fighting, showing his paintball mask. The man said: 'Thank you for these warm gifts for mobilized fighters. 'They think we will be wandering around like Star Wars wearing this b*******t, with no aim and no goal.' More I got that video a few days ago made me laugh my ass off, not translated yet or I’d have posted here. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:15:10 PM EDT
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Sorry if this was already posted.
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:18:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Interesting how it was brought up that taking out targets in HI would galvanize public support for war based on being a “Pearl Harbor moment”. I’m sure the CCP would be effectively pushing the message that the attack on the U.S. was “blowback” for meddling in the region, and we’d have a large group of useful idiots here blaming America for our dead, while demanding we surrender to CCP demands. San Francisco news headlines back during rocket man time were “Trump is going to get us all killed” |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:20:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:31:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room. Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. Best post I’ve seen in this entire thread. I’m completely dumbfounded and mildly entertained at the fact that the right finally found a war they don’t like… and who is the enemy of all people? The Russians… our near century old arch enemy and the primary reason out military arsenal exists. Crippling them in Ukraine and taking them off the radar for a generation without a drop of American blood is the best I’ve seen our tax dollars spent in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room. Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. That was fantastic. 
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:34:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: First load of hard goods from the fundraiser went for delivery. My wife was busy so I filled in for a pic. Those are my firearms and have nothing to do with the foundation I was just going to the range. Americans in Ukraine https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/419667/70DED3A3-B692-4E84-977C-8F65F1BB7258_jpe-2572004.JPG We still have at least 40 boxes of mil clothing to ship and have to pick up 44 pairs of winter boots and 40 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/419667/87B06CC9-2C90-415F-A0FA-117AB647D3AA_jpe-2572025.JPGparkas from a GSA auction. Thanks guys, we went over budget but hey out fitting 200++ guys tip to bottom in winter gear, plus a lot of extra special order type stuff and gear donations (these bags) make for happy November to the guys in 3 units. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/419667/BC94F31A-AE2B-4AE0-BCFB-D2781E90B0D1_jpe-2572012.JPG
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:34:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room. Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. That is quality material. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:45:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: You think Das Juden is a shill  And R0N is a "comrade" 
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:45:47 PM EDT
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VICE - The War With Ukraine is Coming Home to Russians
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Posted: 10/22/2022 12:58:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Hell I can even guess their screennames.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By USMCTanker: Interesting how it was brought up that taking out targets in HI would galvanize public support for war based on being a “Pearl Harbor moment”. I’m sure the CCP would be effectively pushing the message that the attack on the U.S. was “blowback” for meddling in the region, and we’d have a large group of useful idiots here blaming America for our dead, while demanding we surrender to CCP demands. Hell I can even guess their screennames.... ..,and their claimed “party affiliation”… |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room. Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. @charlier, you describe human nature. The current problem the west faces existentially is "we" want to redine what is human nature and reality. So our leaders and others in charge are pushing a conflicting reality, which will be expensive to recover from, if at all. I agree completely with your position, just doubt leaderships willingness to deliver. I hope I am wrong. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Good point, 2 of my favorite movie scenes are in these clips because the significance of will is included in the dialogue  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaRYQlsjy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2uW9OMcW0That's a great movie |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:10:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: Discussions about how effective the Russians are miss the bigger picture, and the elephant in the room. Power equals force times will. You can have all the money on weapons you like, but without will, build more, buy more, you don't have power anyone respects. Jimmy Carter didn't have that much smaller a military then Reagan, but power was worlds apart. After WWII the US defined Europe as its area of interest. George Kennan, and his white paper NSC68, argued correctly that your credibility and will is called into question if you stand aside for Communism. If you don't show will worldwide, countries that are in your area of interest will question your will to support them. It all matters, you cant put a boundary on will and credibility. That's why you fight Communists in Korea, to show resolve to NATO that you'll fight for them. The interest or lack of interest of country X is irrelevant. You amass as much power as you can, anyway you can, to achieve the effects you want when Iran wants a bomb or China wants Taiwan. They respect capital P POWER. Get some. Get more. The only thing that matters is how much you can accumulate as cheaply as you can. You pull out of places when they suck power out of you. Its an investment. A proxy war is a great way for a democracy like the US to amass power because we have lots of free stuff, and the proxy has lots of motivation, and it pays to be a winner. The US was rightly skittish in the early weeks as we have dissipated power spending resources supporting losers....Iraq, Afghanistan, looking at you. And this administration was rightly perceived as weak as hell after the Kabul farce. So they needed this one. Supporting the UA is an outstandingly awesome idea as it expands US power without risking us where we are weak...the lack of willpower of the American people who want to go to the mall and not risk a drop of their blood for anything. That big ass chicken will come home to roost with a giant sized amount of vengeance when the US loses power. That's not a world you want to live in. The goal is to win as much as you can, as cheaply as you can, to expand the perception of your will and force to show power and get people to knuckle under to what you want, without a fight, out of fear of your power, setting the conditions for your economy. Pick your fights. Desert Storm was pretty good. Ukraine is good. Vietnam and Afghanistan, bad. Ukraine is great. We should support the hell out of Ukraine and monkey stomp the Russians. Because its good for us. It is, arguably, a lot like poker. When you want something, really bad, like bad actors to get in line, you bluff with force and they don't question your will; they submit without a fight. But if you want the world to respect your level of will, you have to win some hands and you need a track record of success. It doesn't really matter what hand, the effect is in your opponents mind, between his damn ears. Any hand will do, any fight will do. Just win, baby. Fold based on "if it will work" not "where is it" Our foreign policy fiascos the last fifty years has been staying too long with weak hands, not where or where not we were. My argument is we should be pushing ATCAMS and the kitchen sink and anything else, as monkey stomping the Rus with the Ukrainian army sets us up for success with respect to some bigger problems we have on the horizon, especially seeing our economy is sucking due to basic selfishness and stupidity. We have less margin for error and we NEED the Rus monkeystomped. Because the world is watching, especially China and Iran and Taiwan and Israel, and we can. Which is mostly all the matters. What we can, and cant, not what want or don't not want to do. Here, we can. So go do. And frogboiling isn't it, either. Burn that frog with a blowtorch and mail toasted frog parts to Xi. Let him smell some smoke. When that SOB longingly looks across the Strait of Formosa and gets silly ideas, and when the Supreme Leader thinks about building a nuke and firing it at Tel Aviv, they already know what our DoD budget looks like. They need to remember what our will looks like, which quite frankly has been called into question, and what blowtorched frog smells like. That saves us money and lives and resources later. Looking at silly maps and drawing lines and putting Ukraine on the wrong side of it is foolish. That's called credibility, and smarter men then us figured this out 75 years ago. did you write this or quote it from somewhere else? |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, it's actually part of an equation that mission planners use to figure out how many anti ship cruise missiles or weapons should be employed against enemy surface ships. The point being is that equation can constantly change. If I can't use electronic counter measures, if I have no decoy systems, or Harms to employ, and only the anti ship missiles, I'll have use a crap ton of them to overwhelm the individual ships fire control systems to get enough through to destroy the ship. Take the Moscow for example. Before this war, it was assumed she would require 4 hits from Harpoons to destroy her. However, because of her missile systems CIWS, etc. if I wanted to overwhelm her to get those hits, I'd have to use a lot more than 4 missiles as she tries to shoot them down until what is left can impact her, perhaps over a dozen would be used. That's expensive.  However, if she's being jammed, and cheap $30,000 decoys are used to fool the ships radars and waste time firing on false targets, I can get away with much less anti ship missiles being used. In the case of LRASM in the example above, I may only need one to do the job. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:15:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Interesting how it was brought up that taking out targets in HI would galvanize public support for war based on being a "Pearl Harbor moment". I'm sure the CCP would be effectively pushing the message that the attack on the U.S. was "blowback" for meddling in the region, and we'd have a large group of useful idiots here blaming America for our dead, while demanding we surrender to CCP demands. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:15:57 PM EDT
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Well James missed his flight so we got Rip solo today.
Not a big showing unfortunately. I chatted a minute with rip but they’re trying to get the speech rolling 
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfrwSu1WIAA8IzP?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfrwSu3XgAAyTlG?format=jpg&name=large Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: To be honest, the stinger is pretty much considered obsolete, and going to be replaced by the Maneuver-Short Range Air Defense (M-SHORAD) system by 2027, with large manufacturing orders for it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfrwSu1WIAA8IzP?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfrwSu3XgAAyTlG?format=jpg&name=large lol, I guess I should have phrased it as it's obsolete according to what the US Army wants to have in the new missile.
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:20:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, I guess I should have phrased it as it's obsolete according to what the US Army wants to have in the new missile. I was definitely not saying you were wrong |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:22:11 PM EDT
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Kremlin 'Condemns' Arrests of Russian Nationals at US Request
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/21/kremlin-condemns-arrests-of-russian-nationals-at-us-request-a79159 The Kremlin on Friday condemned the arrests of two Russians — including the son of a senior official — on a U.S. request in Europe for alleged sanctions evasion and illegal sale of U.S. technology to Russian arms companies. "We are categorically against this and we condemn the practice of these kinds of arrests of Russian citizens," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, adding that Moscow will do "everything possible" to defend them. Moscow on Thursday confirmed that Artyom Uss, whose father is the governor of the Siberian region of Krasnoyarsk, was arrested at Milan's Malpensa Airport this week on a U.S. request. "Our diplomatic missions will naturally take part in protecting the interests of this Russian citizen," Peskov said. The U.S. Justice Department on Wednesday announced charges against a dozen individuals — including five Russians — for "unlawful schemes to export powerful" U.S. military technology to Russia. It said some of these had "been discovered on the battlefields in Ukraine." Another Russian citizen was also arrested on a U.S. request on Oct. 17 in Germany. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Well James missed his flight so we got Rip solo today. Not a big showing unfortunately. I chatted a minute with rip but they’re trying to get the speech rolling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/1D2D5005-FFC4-42F8-AD30-F09EBFF9F6A0-2572185.jpg Looks like a beautiful church, I'm sorry I missed out.
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:31:22 PM EDT
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"Russian mobilized soldiers stage mutiny and hit back at Putin"  Russian mobilised soldiers stage mutiny and hit back at Putin |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:33:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:38:02 PM EDT
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"Angry, masked Russian soldiers say they aren't getting paid"  Angry, masked Russian soldiers say they aren''t getting paid |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:39:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: 1533 22.10.2022 (Updated: 17:15 22.10.2022) Residents of Kherson were urged to immediately cross to the left bank of the Dnieper https://ria.ru/20221022/kherson-1825913730.html MOSCOW, Oct. 22 RIA Novosti. Residents of Kherson must urgently leave the city because of the threat of shelling and terrorist attacks, Reported local administration. The authorities stressed that the situation at the front remains tense. There is a possibility of massive strikes on Kherson, as well as sabotage. It is also specified that this applies to all units and ministries of civil administration. You can go to the left bank of the Dnieper from "Rechport", located on Odessa Square, 4. From there, river boats depart to the town of Aleshka. For all questions, the authorities urged to call the hotline: +7 800 301 99 99. Former Commander of the Joint Group of Forces in the Area of Military Operation Sergey Surovikin said that there is evidence of the possible use of prohibited methods of war by the Kiev regime in the area Kherson. In addition, it was about the preparation by Ukrainian troops of a massive missile strike on the dam of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station, as well as the shelling of the city indiscriminately. Moscow has spread in UNSC a letter calling for the prevention of destruction Kiev dams of The Kakhovka HPP. As noted by the permanent representative of Russia to the organization Vassily Nebenzia, this can lead to the death of thousands of people. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:40:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:42:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit8472: Well James missed his flight so we got Rip solo today. Not a big showing unfortunately. I chatted a minute with rip but they’re trying to get the speech rolling https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/1D2D5005-FFC4-42F8-AD30-F09EBFF9F6A0-2572185.jpg I'm also in MD but that was a little over 4 hours for me haha |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:43:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: And R0N is a "comrade" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amanbearpig: Originally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: You think Das Juden is a shill And R0N is a "comrade" Shit like that is exactly why so many SMEs have left Arfcom over the years.  |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's almost more treasonous than mutinous (can I get a "fingers crossed guy"?) |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 1:52:31 PM EDT
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"TRUMP ON WHETHER PUTIN WOULD USE NUKES: 'I DON'T THINK HE'LL STAND FOR LOSING. SO, IN SOME FORM, MAYBE LIMITED FORM'" @1:58 IN THE VID: Angry, masked Russian soldiers say they aren't getting paid |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:03:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: How are those launchers distributed? How many are mission capable? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By ludder093: the US has over 400 HIMAR launchers. How does giving up 16 make them "limited" The production rate from the manufacturer. So what situation are we involved in where 384 HIMARS will be inadequate, but 400 HIMARS will be adequate? How are those launchers distributed? How many are mission capable? You tell me, you are the one alleging there is a problem. Please link to evidence supporting that opinion. Also make sure to address how this is in any way different than any other weapon system, all of which have availability rates and issues. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:09:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, it's actually part of an equation that mission planners use to figure out how many anti ship cruise missiles or weapons should be employed against enemy surface ships. The point being is that equation can constantly change. If I can't use electronic counter measures, if I have no decoy systems, or Harms to employ, and only the anti ship missiles, I'll have use a crap ton of them to overwhelm the individual ships fire control systems to get enough through to destroy the ship. Take the Moscow for example. Before this war, it was assumed she would require 4 hits from Harpoons to destroy her. However, because of her missile systems CIWS, etc. if I wanted to overwhelm her to get those hits, I'd have to use a lot more than 4 missiles as she tries to shoot them down until what is left can impact her, perhaps over a dozen would be used. That's expensive. However, if she's being jammed, and cheap $30,000 decoys are used to fool the ships radars and waste time firing on false targets, I can get away with much less anti ship missiles being used. In the case of LRASM in the example above, I may only need one to do the job. Thank you. My illustrious Mil. career maxed out at E4 so I only know "chow hall" and "PX"...oh and "PMCS", lots of that. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: You asked for links, and you got links. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By NEXT23: Originally Posted By R0N: How many LRASMs and NSMs are we gettng a year and how does that number compare to the firing doctrine to conduct a threat task group take down? So are you saying we are being weakened on purpose? Being weakened out of necessity, hoping we will have time to catch our breathe in 2 years? Or I just need to buy stock in the MIC Don’t know if it is deliberate, un-intended or wishful thinking that nothing will happen between now and the ability to rebuild. The ability to rebuilt what? Our stocks of M113s? Our stocks of 1991 HARM missiles? Please provide links to hard data showing that critical modern weapons systems/munitions are being drawn below critical levels. USNI Breaking Defense CSiS China will be a naval/air war. Stingers, Javelins, and even GMLRS wont be major players. But by all means keep trying to sow discord, comrade. You asked for links, and you got links. You forgot to link numbers of M113s in storage though, and however will we defeat China without sufficient M113s? |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:10:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:11:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:11:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCTanker: Excellent content: Deterrence to war is built on our credibility and perception of our adversaries that we posses the will to fight and win, or support those that do. There’s a certain audience here in GD that are incapable of comprehending such a basic concept, unfortunately. In before “I’m tired of being the world’s police” This is why I explained a thousand pages ago that a silverback does not allow the other primates to fight without his permission. He maintains a monopoly on force and uses violence against others who attempt to assert dominance. I once saw a video of a honey Badger whooping a leopards ass. The leopard is a more dangerous creature but it lacks will because they are easily injured and of injured their ability to run down prey is compromised and they enter a death spiral of weakness. They rarely fight unless cornered and typically attack from position of advantage. This honey Badger whooped his ass and took his dinner. Than he smacked the leopard again before he left just to show him who is the boss, setting conditions for the next meal theft. Humans aren’t so different. Look at Trump. His inconsistency was fantastically dangerous for adversaries. If you took action against him would he praise your boldness or have a drone crew murder your top general and a special forces team take photos of his severed cock and leak them to the internet? Only one way to find out… and few wanted to. This same phenomena explains why Putin can’t take Russians mangled cock out of the meat grinder—one you bend over and bite the pillow the entire population of the prison will think you’re a sissy. Humans are just animals after all. |
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