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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:23:04 PM EDT
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Galloping Ghost page.
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: No, comrade, they have destroyed 44 HIMARS so far. Russian State Media says so. Russia Stronk! |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:26:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: that thing has a weird dip in it for young people. wonder if that data is accurate or if the russians had a decade or two where they were too drunk and beaten down to make babies Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By sq40: Russia is in some serious shit. Look at their population of 18-30yo men. They have far more women than men too, which is very interesting. Taking another 300,000 out of that group is going to sting. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/2D0C8C52-2218-4F5A-9C39-BD9FC1C24585_jpe-2534312.JPG that thing has a weird dip in it for young people. wonder if that data is accurate or if the russians had a decade or two where they were too drunk and beaten down to make babies Uncertainty and turmoil after the fall of the Soviet Union corresponding to a decline in births afterwards. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:29:38 PM EDT
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Reports that in Moscow officials are serving mobilization papers to people at home and at work. Practically as soon as the announcement they starting serving papers for people to go report.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Basically anti-regime. A woman who was arrested for not wearing a hijab died in custody. Women are burning their hijabs, protesting the gender and societal repression. Will it have legs and overthrow the Ayatollahs? Who knows. Sometimes freedom gets contagious, maybe it will. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Why are they protesting? Basically anti-regime. A woman who was arrested for not wearing a hijab died in custody. Women are burning their hijabs, protesting the gender and societal repression. Will it have legs and overthrow the Ayatollahs? Who knows. Sometimes freedom gets contagious, maybe it will. Will Biden save the Ayatollahs like Obama did the last time the Iranian street got agitated? Probably. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:30:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: Production rate is 7500 rockets per year. No idea how many we started with. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:31:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Things are getting nutty in Iran What are they protesting for or against? Strong desire to join their fellow assholes in Russia in fighting "the west"? |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:31:14 PM EDT
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'I'm not going to die for Putin!' Terrified Russians begin anti-mobilization protests after one-way tickets fleeing the country sold out following Vladimir's announcement that 300,000 reservists will be sent to Ukraine
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:32:52 PM EDT
[#9]
Maybe what downed the Moscova
Explosive boats are not new, and they have occasionally had great successes. This design, if that’s what this is, seems inherently sensible. They were pioneered by the Italians in World War Two and are still used today. Most recently, in the Red Sea, the Iranian backed Houthi Movement has used remote controlled ones with some effect. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: At what point do they run out of missiles we can supply though? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
At what point do they run out of missiles we can supply though? If they run out of the short to medium range stuff, we should give them long range rockets. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:34:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dillydilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: "that's real retarded, sir" In the "opening stages", they assumed it would be a 3 day cake walk. At least those few who knew they were going to Ukraine. Yet now, after 100-150K casualties, counter offensives, HIMARS, and losing air superiority to the UA, now (NOW) they will have better morale? Plus their morale was it’s highest at the early stages of the war when they actually were making their advance towards Kiev. Since then it’s been going down non stop. The men at home must in some way or another know that things aren’t going well if Putya is calling in more men… |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:35:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: The only reason this entire scenario hasn’t turned into desert storm 2: Eastern European Boogaloo is because of nukes. So Russia has that one area locked down over Ukraine. Without nukes we’d be operating no fly zones over Russia by now, after nearly taking Moscow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Ermahgerd mobilization!  Some of you guys crack me up. The disparity between the Russian situation and the Ukrainian situation couldn't be much more stark. Morale, intelligence, logistics, command, communications, technology, training... everything. I don't think there is one thing of military significance Russia is doing better than Ukraine, and the deeper this war goes, the more one-sided this dynamic is getting. The only reason this entire scenario hasn’t turned into desert storm 2: Eastern European Boogaloo is because of nukes. So Russia has that one area locked down over Ukraine. Without nukes we’d be operating no fly zones over Russia by now, after nearly taking Moscow. Meh. Since the end of WWII, nuclear armed powers haven't really gone to direct war against each other, but proxy wars like this one have happened regularly. As a general rule, these wars have favored the powers allied with the nation being invaded, and there haven't been major consequences for the nation(s) providing lethal aid to the defending nation. In this case, the relationship between the Ukrainians and the US/NATO nations has been invaluable. The Ukrainians have the resources to defend their homeland, the US/NATO are keeping their noses clean and aren't taking casualties, and the biggest threat in the region is getting wrecked. The threat of nuclear escalation is only a viable threat as long as it is only a threat. If the Russians actually open that can, it's a whole different ballgame. They know that as well as we do. Back to my original statement: "I don't think there is one thing of military significance Russia is doing better than Ukraine, and the deeper this war goes, the more one-sided this dynamic is getting." Nukes don't really apply because this is a conventional war (and the Ukrainians are whipping Russia's ass in this conventional war). But even if nukes did apply, given how badly the Russians are performing at everything, it's a fairly safe bet they'd screw that up, too. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:35:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Not quite right. A woman was arrested by the morality police for not having her head completely covered. She was 23 years old and died while in police custody. Women are taking to the streets in protest. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Things are getting nutty in Iran Why are they protesting? A well known Journalist was murdered Not quite right. A woman was arrested by the morality police for not having her head completely covered. She was 23 years old and died while in police custody. Women are taking to the streets in protest. The first time I saw a tweet is said Journalist. You are correct though. I just checked and the girls name is Mahsa Amini, and she was 22. Murdered for not wearing a hajib |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:35:52 PM EDT
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1 min ago.
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:37:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: ""Azovstal" defender Kateryna "Ptashka" Polishchuk returned home" (This is pretty quick after the vid of her alive dropped last week) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-52-10_jpg-2534317.JPG (Looks like a few more were released as well) Before https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-55-16_jpg-2534327.JPG Recently https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-55-16__2__jpg-2534330.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-51-07_jpg-2534332.JPG Unfortunately, I doubt we'll ever see Prokopenko alive again. 
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:39:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: anono]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: The utility of air superiority is generally overstated. And will continue to be if the US restricts them from flying strike missions into Russia. Most of what you can strike with aircraft, you can strike with missiles. Obviously some targets need more HE than missiles available to Ukraine can provide. That said a larger air presence is kind of like opening a second front and shooting down a lot of Russian aircraft would put immense pressure on them. Wut? Air superiority is the primary tenant of strategic warfare since maybe the end of WWI. Sure, guided missiles have changed the game a little, but you need a poop-ton of intel for those strikes, whereas a plane can simply just blow shit up on the spot. A primary reason for the RU attack not being effective is that they haven't been able to gain the air. If this were the US, we'd be taking out 10k UA ground troops a day by this point. (Ok, maybe hyperbole, but close). The Russian's AF just sucks apparently. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:39:21 PM EDT
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"‘I Don’t Want to Be Cannon Fodder’: Panic and Fear as Russia Begins Mobilization"
"Prices for one-way flights to popular destinations later rose at least eightfold, with tickets from the Russian capital to Yerevan on Thursday being sold for about 160,000 rubles ($2,621) and from Moscow to Dubai priced at 170,000 rubles ($2,784)." https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/21/i-dont-want-to-be-cannon-fodder-panic-and-fear-as-russia-begins-mobilization-a78853 |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:40:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:42:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I felt like putting a bullet in the head of every panda that wouldn’t fuck to save its species. WTF? |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:43:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: The utility of air superiority is generally overstated. And will continue to be if the US restricts them from flying strike missions into Russia. Most of what you can strike with aircraft, you can strike with missiles. Obviously some targets need more HE than missiles available to Ukraine can provide. That said a larger air presence is kind of like opening a second front and shooting down a lot of Russian aircraft would put immense pressure on them. I think this take is good in the context of this war. As long as Ukraine has ISR sufficient to target their missile strikes, and as long as they have the ability to defend the airspace above them, they're in a good position. The value of getting the Ukrainians set up with F-16s or whatever is strategically questionable. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:46:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Uncertainty and turmoil after the fall of the Soviet Union corresponding to a decline in births afterwards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By general_cluster: Originally Posted By sq40: Russia is in some serious shit. Look at their population of 18-30yo men. They have far more women than men too, which is very interesting. Taking another 300,000 out of that group is going to sting. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/2D0C8C52-2218-4F5A-9C39-BD9FC1C24585_jpe-2534312.JPG that thing has a weird dip in it for young people. wonder if that data is accurate or if the russians had a decade or two where they were too drunk and beaten down to make babies Uncertainty and turmoil after the fall of the Soviet Union corresponding to a decline in births afterwards. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: It's not over yet. Chances are not great for Russia but tides can change in war. I won't stop worrying until it's over with. Note something else that Zeihan says: Russia, as a country, has committed suicide. They are DONE as a country. Not only have they destroyed their economy, but they are now also sending their young people into war, the same people that they are critically short of and need to rely on to provide the next generation of Russians by having babies. The long term effect of all this is catastrophic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: It's not over yet. Chances are not great for Russia but tides can change in war. I won't stop worrying until it's over with. Note something else that Zeihan says: Russia, as a country, has committed suicide. They are DONE as a country. Not only have they destroyed their economy, but they are now also sending their young people into war, the same people that they are critically short of and need to rely on to provide the next generation of Russians by having babies. The long term effect of all this is catastrophic. It is a bit more dire than that. If you were to glance over Russian dominated forums, you'd find them mainly plotting their exit from the country. By means legal or illegal. Precious few "patriots" staying the course. An earlier post in thread mentioned the sudden increase in demand, and concurring cost, for flights out of Russia. That is merely the most obvious avenue of leaving, and just the start of it. The youth of Russia are to flee in droves, and they have zero interest in ever returning. The only real question now is if the countries of their select destination will decide to permit them, or toss them back. HELSINKI - Finland said on Wednesday it is is preparing a national solution to "limit or completely prevent" tourism from Russia following the invasion of Ukraine. "This national solution may include new legislation, which would be adopted very quickly," Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto told a press conference. ... Finland drastically limited tourist visas for Russians in September. But they continue to enter Finland with visas issued by other EU countries in the Schengen borderless travel area. "Finland does not want to be a country that is a transit country for Schengen visas issued by other countries either," Haavisto said. Archive Perhaps some EU members will show pity, but otherwise I have my doubts the people of Russia will be able to escape the culmination of their politics. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: I think this take is good in the context of this war. As long as Ukraine has ISR sufficient to target their missile strikes, and as long as they have the ability to defend the airspace above them, they're in a good position. The value of getting the Ukrainians set up with F-16s or whatever is strategically questionable. Air sup would have changed this war for either side. What on Earth are you both talking about? If the UA had a 4gen fighter, they'd be into Moscow by now. Offense is still a good defense. We in the West just are being cautious to not escalate things. If we wanted to, most of Russia would be burning now without a single nuke. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:49:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Also the healthcare system collapsed causing greatly increased infant mortality, and the people most capable of raising families were also likely to leave the country for greener pastures. Brain drain is a real problem for Russia and has been for about a generation and a half. And this war is only making it worse. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:49:47 PM EDT
[#25]
 Russia: Hundreds of protestors arrested following Putin''s mobilisation address |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
They're not exactly treating the 200s with reverence and care.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:50:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: 'I'm not going to die for Putin!' Terrified Russians begin anti-mobilization protests after one-way tickets fleeing the country sold out following Vladimir's announcement that 300,000 reservists will be sent to Ukraine https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/18/62663509-11234849-image-a-22_1663782052924.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/20/62666693-11234849-image-a-16_1663787139251.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/18/62663661-11234849-image-m-32_1663782286112.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/18/62663511-11234849-image-a-25_1663782161956.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/21/12/62648159-11234849-A_family_walks_in_front_of_a_billboard_promoting_the_military_in-a-17_1663760245568.jpg More PICS They need to learn how to make IEDs and cut tendons and femoral arteries. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: They're not exactly treating the 200s with reverence and care. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-19_14-59-06_jpg-2534372.JPG Holy shit, they're piled in the bed like so many dead animals |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:52:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: Considering we started building them forty years ago, probably a lot, but not infinite. They are still in production, and contrary to some opinions, production can always be expanded. M26s are out of production. Now we only make M30/M31 and bigger. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:54:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: ""Azovstal" defender Kateryna "Ptashka" Polishchuk returned home" (This is pretty quick after the vid of her alive dropped last week) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-52-10_jpg-2534317.JPG (Looks like a few more were released as well) Before https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-55-16_jpg-2534327.JPG Recently https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-55-16__2__jpg-2534330.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-21_15-51-07_jpg-2534332.JPG |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:58:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: I think this take is good in the context of this war. As long as Ukraine has ISR sufficient to target their missile strikes, and as long as they have the ability to defend the airspace above them, they're in a good position. The value of getting the Ukrainians set up with F-16s or whatever is strategically questionable. I think F-16s bring value, mostly because they are free. With Ukraines limited pre-war budget I would not have recommended Air Force spending, and wisely, that’s not where Ukraine spent their money. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: WTF? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I felt like putting a bullet in the head of every panda that wouldn’t fuck to save its species. WTF? Fight Club reference. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Basically anti-regime. A woman who was arrested for not wearing a hijab died in custody. Women are burning their hijabs, protesting the gender and societal repression. Will it have legs and overthrow the Ayatollahs? Who knows. Sometimes freedom gets contagious, maybe it will. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Why are they protesting? Basically anti-regime. A woman who was arrested for not wearing a hijab died in custody. Women are burning their hijabs, protesting the gender and societal repression. Will it have legs and overthrow the Ayatollahs? Who knows. Sometimes freedom gets contagious, maybe it will. Another reason everyone should own guns |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:59:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: WTF? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I felt like putting a bullet in the head of every panda that wouldn’t fuck to save its species. WTF? He was making a joke about in the 80s and 90s, the sex life of zoo pandas was a media frenzy of a nauseating level. Lots wouldn’t reproduce. I did get the joke but it wouldn’t make sense if you didn’t recall that. ETA: oh yeah, and also riffed on in FC. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 4:59:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anono: Wut? Air superiority is the primary tenant of strategic warfare since maybe the end of WWI. Sure, guided missiles have changed the game a little, but you need a poop-ton of intel for those strikes, whereas a plane can simply just blow shit up on the spot. A primary reason for the RU attack not being effective is that they haven't been able to gain the air. If this were the US, we'd be taking out 10k UA ground troops a day by this point. (Ok, maybe hyperbole, but close). The Russian's AF just sucks apparently. F-16s aren’t going to establish the kind of air superiority needed to precision bombing by F-16s. Low level strike missions are more like it. Missiles are also airpower. Only nuclear weapons are strategic weapons. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: M26s are out of production. Now we only make M30/M31 and bigger. About 1500 pages back, one of the SMEs mentioned that the M26/M26A1 warheads had been decommissioned, but not their rocket/booster sections, which have been repurposed for some interesting other PGM uses - but nothing ever put into production. So there are thousands if not tens of thousands of 30-40 year old rocket boosters still in arsenals somewhere. Basically a winged SDB capsuled onto an M26 booster, with a 150-200km range, and maybe something done with an Excalibur projectile on the rocket booster, as well. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:04:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: Maybe what downed the Moscova Explosive boats are not new, and they have occasionally had great successes. This design, if that's what this is, seems inherently sensible. They were pioneered by the Italians in World War Two and are still used today. Most recently, in the Red Sea, the Iranian backed Houthi Movement has used remote controlled ones with some effect. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: They're not exactly treating the 200s with reverence and care. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-19_14-59-06_jpg-2534372.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
They're not exactly treating the 200s with reverence and care. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-19_14-59-06_jpg-2534372.JPG Is it wrong I want to see those trucks enter a minefield? |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:06:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Meh. Since the end of WWII, nuclear armed powers haven't really gone to direct war against each other, but proxy wars like this one have happened regularly. As a general rule, these wars have favored the powers allied with the nation being invaded, and there haven't been major consequences for the nation(s) providing lethal aid to the defending nation. In this case, the relationship between the Ukrainians and the US/NATO nations has been invaluable. The Ukrainians have the resources to defend their homeland, the US/NATO are keeping their noses clean and aren't taking casualties, and the biggest threat in the region is getting wrecked. The threat of nuclear escalation is only a viable threat as long as it is only a threat. If the Russians actually open that can, it's a whole different ballgame. They know that as well as we do. Back to my original statement: "I don't think there is one thing of military significance Russia is doing better than Ukraine, and the deeper this war goes, the more one-sided this dynamic is getting." Nukes don't really apply because this is a conventional war (and the Ukrainians are whipping Russia's ass in this conventional war). But even if nukes did apply, given how badly the Russians are performing at everything, it's a fairly safe bet they'd screw that up, too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bassgasm: Originally Posted By BustinCaps: Originally Posted By Bassgasm: Ermahgerd mobilization! Some of you guys crack me up. The disparity between the Russian situation and the Ukrainian situation couldn't be much more stark. Morale, intelligence, logistics, command, communications, technology, training... everything. I don't think there is one thing of military significance Russia is doing better than Ukraine, and the deeper this war goes, the more one-sided this dynamic is getting. The only reason this entire scenario hasn’t turned into desert storm 2: Eastern European Boogaloo is because of nukes. So Russia has that one area locked down over Ukraine. Without nukes we’d be operating no fly zones over Russia by now, after nearly taking Moscow. Meh. Since the end of WWII, nuclear armed powers haven't really gone to direct war against each other, but proxy wars like this one have happened regularly. As a general rule, these wars have favored the powers allied with the nation being invaded, and there haven't been major consequences for the nation(s) providing lethal aid to the defending nation. In this case, the relationship between the Ukrainians and the US/NATO nations has been invaluable. The Ukrainians have the resources to defend their homeland, the US/NATO are keeping their noses clean and aren't taking casualties, and the biggest threat in the region is getting wrecked. The threat of nuclear escalation is only a viable threat as long as it is only a threat. If the Russians actually open that can, it's a whole different ballgame. They know that as well as we do. Back to my original statement: "I don't think there is one thing of military significance Russia is doing better than Ukraine, and the deeper this war goes, the more one-sided this dynamic is getting." Nukes don't really apply because this is a conventional war (and the Ukrainians are whipping Russia's ass in this conventional war). But even if nukes did apply, given how badly the Russians are performing at everything, it's a fairly safe bet they'd screw that up, too. Nukes are the only reason an “Operation Ukraine Shield/Storm” didn’t occur. It’s keeping it a proxy war. That’s my point. If Russia had no nukes and did this they’d have been steamrolled by NATO. Ukraine doesn’t have that card. As of now, they win at the pleasure of NATO. It’s better than losing, but if they had nukes life would be much better for them. It’s not the use of nukes, but their mere existence that changes the conventional game significantly. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:08:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: They're not exactly treating the 200s with reverence and care. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-19_14-59-06_jpg-2534372.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
They're not exactly treating the 200s with reverence and care. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-19_14-59-06_jpg-2534372.JPG It’s more care than they give to things like living troops or ammunition. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: About 1500 pages back, one of the SMEs mentioned that the M26/M26A1 warheads had been decommissioned, but not their rocket/booster sections, which have been repurposed for some interesting other PGM uses - but nothing ever put into production. So there are thousands if not tens of thousands of 30-40 year old rocket boosters still in arsenals somewhere. Basically a winged SDB capsuled onto an M26 booster, with a 150-200km range, and maybe something done with an Excalibur projectile on the rocket booster, as well. Mostly they were to be made into practice rockets. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:10:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Holy shit, they're piled in the bed like so many dead animals |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:13:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: anono]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: F-16s aren’t going to establish the kind of air superiority needed to precision bombing by F-16s. Low level strike missions are more like it. Missiles are also airpower. Only nuclear weapons are strategic weapons. I think you are confusing having planes in the air to "air superiority." F16s with some intel from wherever and support would be a game changer in this conflict. And F16s can definitely do precision low level strikes, even if brrrt is cooler on video. Saying "only nuclear weapons are strategic..." is umm, well, CoC. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:14:54 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Doesn't Ukraine have 10,000+ Russian KIA on ice in refrigerator rail cars and trucks that Russia has refused to accept back? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Circuits: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Holy shit, they're piled in the bed like so many dead animals That was the number a couple months ago. I saw some pics from after the push. UA forces were/are finding skeletal remains of Russian troops in the former Russian positions. Their buddies literally left them to rot. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:18:50 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: The utility of air superiority is generally overstated. And will continue to be if the US restricts them from flying strike missions into Russia. Most of what you can strike with aircraft, you can strike with missiles. Obviously some targets need more HE than missiles available to Ukraine can provide. That said a larger air presence is kind of like opening a second front and shooting down a lot of Russian aircraft would put immense pressure on them. Don't tell the US airforce that! |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:24:37 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryNo, the Moskva was hit by a pair of AS missiles; no confusion there. In several tranches of US weapons deliveries, mention has been made of USVs as well as UUVs. The details of what those were never came up. This may be something we transferred months ago, it might be something they built domestically. Unclear if it’s a weapon or ISR platform. Hull shape and a few details suggest ISR to me, but I’m not sure. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:28:33 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: They're not exactly treating the 200s with reverence and care. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-09-19_14-59-06_jpg-2534372.JPG How can they when they don't even know the meaning of those words? |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:33:06 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Holy shit, they're piled in the bed like so many dead animals |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:34:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: WTF? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I felt like putting a bullet in the head of every panda that wouldn’t fuck to save its species. WTF? It’s a quote from the movie “ Fight Club” but I’m not supposed to talk about it. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 5:35:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
[#50]
Azov Battalion Commanders
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