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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 1:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: Ukrainian artillery strike on Russian infantry, eastern Ukraine, date unknown. What the fuck was going on there? Looked like a bunch of drunks staggering home from the local bar right down the middle of the street. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:00:12 PM EDT
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The scientist reminds me of Project Mogul, where we put microphones on weather balloons to listen to nuke tests in the 50's
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:05:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#3]
This is what had me looking at the Magnetic anomalies stuff last night.
Posted 19 hours ago
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:06:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Certainly, it's just a theory where this guy may be onto something that works for osint, but a dedicated defense radar is much better. He said he cant tell the number of missiles fired unless it's over minutes of time. If I go by this info, an attack on a base that shows no anomalies would be special ops, subsonic drones, or cruise missiles, but something is moving fast from the Odessa area and causing big explosions deep in Russian held territory. Those interested can go to my post above, I have added more info and his explanations if your interested. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It's an interesting idea, the jist of it is that missiles going supersonic in the upper atmosphere do what he says in the tweet below.
Easiest way for me to imagine how it works would be like having multiple lightning detectors spread out over a region that can pinpoint cloud to ground lightning strikes to a specific area. Except these magnetoacoustic waves are detected and plotted. Interesting. Poor man's launch detector I suppose. Don't see any applications a functioning defense radar wouldn't do better though. Other then maybe detect stealth missiles. Certainly, it's just a theory where this guy may be onto something that works for osint, but a dedicated defense radar is much better. He said he cant tell the number of missiles fired unless it's over minutes of time. If I go by this info, an attack on a base that shows no anomalies would be special ops, subsonic drones, or cruise missiles, but something is moving fast from the Odessa area and causing big explosions deep in Russian held territory. Those interested can go to my post above, I have added more info and his explanations if your interested. Reinvent the War Tuba!  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam:
 Attached Filelaughed a bit too hard at this. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:08:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: And yet every Russian social media account that posts about the war in Ukraine always includes #"We don't leave ours behind." I've even seen that shit in GD when the actual Russians pop their heads up from time to time. el-oh-fucking-el Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bikedamon: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Drone attack injures two Russians, rest just keep on walking. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wpyt5z/drone_attack_on_russian_infantry_knocks_out_two/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb That's gotta be demoralizing to know if you get hurt they might just leave you. And yet every Russian social media account that posts about the war in Ukraine always includes #"We don't leave ours behind." I've even seen that shit in GD when the actual Russians pop their heads up from time to time. el-oh-fucking-el The Ukrainians are still complaining about being overrun with Russian dead in their morgues. It was almost 10k last I saw something. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:11:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dracster]
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"An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum.
Among the exhibits you can see the 155-mm American howitzer M777A1 / 2, armored personnel carrier BTR-4E, armored vehicles HMMWV, British armored personnel carrier AT-105 Saxon, ATGM FGM-148 Javelin, NLAW, as well as fragments of rockets and small arms (MP5, M4A1, Uzi etc.)."  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File(I have that same flare gun  ) Attached File |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:12:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Run, Forrest, run! https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/wpskry/ukrainian_drone_stalking_russian_soldier/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 He has to be getting tired. Now tell me this man if he survives won't have PTSD about drones? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This is what had me looking at the Magnetic anomalies stuff last night. Posted 19 hours ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaPGVq_XgAArPru?format=png&name=small Posted 16 hours ago.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:16:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum. Among the exhibits you can see the 155-mm American howitzer M777A1 / 2, armored personnel carrier BTR-4E, armored vehicles HMMWV, British armored personnel carrier AT-105 Saxon, ATGM FGM-148 Javelin, NLAW, as well as fragments of rockets and small arms (MP5, M4A1, Uzi etc.)." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-45_jpg-2491316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-46_jpg-2491317.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-49_jpg-2491318.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-50_jpg-2491319.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51__2__jpg-2491320.JPG (I have that same flare gun )https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51_jpg-2491322.JPG |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: lol, you can tell hes seen the videos, figured if he keeps moving and changing directions it will miss. Serpentine!! Serpentine!! That’s how I looked pumping gas during the DC Beltway sniper events. 
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:20:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: This kinda gives a visual of the acoustic waves generated by a rocket launch. Start around 1:45 into the video, it's repeated a few times after.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDEfu8s1LwQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: This is what had me looking at the Magnetic anomalies stuff last night. Posted 19 hours ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaPGVq_XgAArPru?format=png&name=small Posted 16 hours ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDEfu8s1LwVery interesting, thanks for this. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum. … Could you imagine this war, if they put that level of effort and organization into other things? Like, say, training or logistics? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:23:22 PM EDT
[#14]
"British instructors train servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Southeast England.
According to reports, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, the Netherlands and Finland are gathering to send their instructors to the UK for training in the Armed Forces." (I wonder if England is going to donate a bunch of SA80-types...)  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:23:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: I wonder how much of that came from what was left behind in A'stan. Seems like a pretty spiffy display in such a short period of time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Dracster: "An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum. Among the exhibits you can see the 155-mm American howitzer M777A1 / 2, armored personnel carrier BTR-4E, armored vehicles HMMWV, British armored personnel carrier AT-105 Saxon, ATGM FGM-148 Javelin, NLAW, as well as fragments of rockets and small arms (MP5, M4A1, Uzi etc.)." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-45_jpg-2491316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-46_jpg-2491317.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-49_jpg-2491318.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-50_jpg-2491319.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51__2__jpg-2491320.JPG (I have that same flare gun )https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51_jpg-2491322.JPG I can't wait to see the Ukrainian museum |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:27:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: What the fuck was going on there? Looked like a bunch of drunks staggering home from the local bar right down the middle of the street. Weird. Like some dudes that just said "fuck this we are walking home". They sure got clobbered though. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:28:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Haub]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum. Among the exhibits you can see the 155-mm American howitzer M777A1 / 2, armored personnel carrier BTR-4E, armored vehicles HMMWV, British armored personnel carrier AT-105 Saxon, ATGM FGM-148 Javelin, NLAW, as well as fragments of rockets and small arms (MP5, M4A1, Uzi etc.)." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-45_jpg-2491316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-46_jpg-2491317.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-49_jpg-2491318.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-50_jpg-2491319.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_09-52-23_jpg-2491341.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51__2__jpg-2491320.JPG (I have that same flare gun )https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51_jpg-2491322.JPG Disappointed in the lack of captured pallets and logistics equipment like pallet jacks.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:28:35 PM EDT
[#18]
"Ukrainian soldiers with Austrian Steyr AUG A1 assault rifles and modernized Czechoslovak Sa vz. 58."
(Is that Flecktarn?)  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:32:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: "An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum. Among the exhibits you can see the 155-mm American howitzer M777A1 / 2, armored personnel carrier BTR-4E, armored vehicles HMMWV, British armored personnel carrier AT-105 Saxon, ATGM FGM-148 Javelin, NLAW, as well as fragments of rockets and small arms (MP5, M4A1, Uzi etc.)." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-45_jpg-2491316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-46_jpg-2491317.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-49_jpg-2491318.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-50_jpg-2491319.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_09-52-23_jpg-2491341.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51__2__jpg-2491320.JPG (I have that same flare gun )https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51_jpg-2491322.JPG I'm very disappointed they couldnt combine this display with some WWII display. Include a bunch of nazi flags and dummies with MP40's... |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: What's going on with that mp5? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Originally Posted By Dracster: "An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum. Among the exhibits you can see the 155-mm American howitzer M777A1 / 2, armored personnel carrier BTR-4E, armored vehicles HMMWV, British armored personnel carrier AT-105 Saxon, ATGM FGM-148 Javelin, NLAW, as well as fragments of rockets and small arms (MP5, M4A1, Uzi etc.)." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-45_jpg-2491316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-46_jpg-2491317.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-49_jpg-2491318.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-50_jpg-2491319.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_09-52-23_jpg-2491341.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51__2__jpg-2491320.JPG (I have that same flare gun )https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51_jpg-2491322.JPG What's going on with that mp5? You're probably seeing it mixed with the AR behind it. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:47:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Illegible_Signature: Well, we don't have a lot of supersonic airliners at this point... I was thinking it was emanating from the vehicle itself. Cardaro never explicitly said it was the reflection, which I get now. I was thinking too linearly and not hard enough. So in an analogy, he’s perfected a way to quantify the swamp gas from a weather ballon trapped in a thermal pocket when it reflects the light from Venus. Cool. ;) So obviously, there are better mil detection techniques, but this is a nice OS tool. Bellingcat or someone should see if they have historical data available. Then they could pin point the launch points of the ballistic missiles Russia used on civilians in the Grozny attack in 1999. Putin claimed it was “gang activity” or something - you know, mutual combat and all, no big deal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny_ballistic_missile_attack#Responsibility_for_the_attack_and_the_question_of_its_legality |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:51:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slanted: That’s how I looked pumping gas during the DC Beltway sniper events. Same here. I no longer felt protected by my 10mm carry gun. Stick the gas nozzle in the car and get the hell inside the gas station with everybody else. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:54:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: What the fuck was going on there? Looked like a bunch of drunks staggering home from the local bar right down the middle of the street. Wow. They got hit hard. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I've been watching this scientist's twitter for a few weeks now, and he's got his program calibrated to the point he's able to pinpoint ammo dump explosions and missiles using magnetic anomaly detectors in the area. This is the second time since the airbase in Crimea exploded last week he saw a launch from Odessa area of a mach 5 missile signature.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaSiCpPWAAAkTMm?format=png&name=small The only difficulty with this data is: - it is less psychologically damaging to the Russians to believe these attacks are the result of Ukrainian missiles, as opposed to special operations teams. The Russian paranoia can be heightened by tricking them into believing every Russian is a target of clandestine teams. THAT is why I have been arguing sabotage in Crimea (not because I actually believe it). Demoralize the Russians. Get them to give up hope. Let them know they need to kill their unit commander and surrender, or face certain death. That should be our goal. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:07:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW97iWx2zHgI would pay to watch this. Sadly it will never happen.  IIRC they got shot up pretty bad trying to do that to a runway in the first Gulf War, it made them rethink that mission. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:07:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: I can't wait to see the Ukrainian museum Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Dracster: "An exhibition of weapons and equipment captured during the special operation opened at the Army-2022 forum. Among the exhibits you can see the 155-mm American howitzer M777A1 / 2, armored personnel carrier BTR-4E, armored vehicles HMMWV, British armored personnel carrier AT-105 Saxon, ATGM FGM-148 Javelin, NLAW, as well as fragments of rockets and small arms (MP5, M4A1, Uzi etc.)." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-45_jpg-2491316.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-46_jpg-2491317.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-49_jpg-2491318.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-50_jpg-2491319.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51__2__jpg-2491320.JPG (I have that same flare gun )https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-08-16_10-26-51_jpg-2491322.JPG I can't wait to see the Ukrainian museum  |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:10:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: The only difficulty with this data is: - it is less psychologically damaging to the Russians to believe these attacks are the result of Ukrainian missiles, as opposed to special operations teams. The Russian paranoia can be heightened by tricking them into believing every Russian is a target of clandestine teams. THAT is why I have been arguing sabotage in Crimea (not because I actually believe it). Demoralize the Russians. Get them to give up hope. Let them know they need to kill their unit commander and surrender, or face certain death. That should be our goal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I've been watching this scientist's twitter for a few weeks now, and he's got his program calibrated to the point he's able to pinpoint ammo dump explosions and missiles using magnetic anomaly detectors in the area. This is the second time since the airbase in Crimea exploded last week he saw a launch from Odessa area of a mach 5 missile signature.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaSiCpPWAAAkTMm?format=png&name=small The only difficulty with this data is: - it is less psychologically damaging to the Russians to believe these attacks are the result of Ukrainian missiles, as opposed to special operations teams. The Russian paranoia can be heightened by tricking them into believing every Russian is a target of clandestine teams. THAT is why I have been arguing sabotage in Crimea (not because I actually believe it). Demoralize the Russians. Get them to give up hope. Let them know they need to kill their unit commander and surrender, or face certain death. That should be our goal. On one hand I agree, in fact the Russians today claim they are finding these supposed units doing the attacks, so they are possibly on a witch hunt arresting innocent people. I'm fine with them being fearful of a new missile system that they have no defense against either. In all honesty, both can be happening at the same time. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:10:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
When I was a kid long ago the teachers had hand outs and movies about the danger of blasting caps. Showing us what they looked like and not to touch. The early 70s were not much different than the 1890s in rural US. My point is look at what they are going to need to teach the kids over there about ux ordinance. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:13:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: When I was a kid long ago the teachers had hand outs and movies about the danger of blasting caps. Showing us what they looked like and not to touch. The early 70s were not much different than the 1890s in rural US. My point is look at what they are going to need to teach the kids over there about ux ordinance. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
When I was a kid long ago the teachers had hand outs and movies about the danger of blasting caps. Showing us what they looked like and not to touch. The early 70s were not much different than the 1890s in rural US. My point is look at what they are going to need to teach the kids over there about ux ordinance. I know, people are going to be maimed and killed for years because of this. 
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: On one hand I agree, in fact the Russians today claim they are finding these supposed units doing the attacks, so they are possibly on a witch hunt arresting innocent people. I'm fine with them being fearful of a new missile system that they have no defense against either. In all honesty, both can be happening at the same time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I've been watching this scientist's twitter for a few weeks now, and he's got his program calibrated to the point he's able to pinpoint ammo dump explosions and missiles using magnetic anomaly detectors in the area. This is the second time since the airbase in Crimea exploded last week he saw a launch from Odessa area of a mach 5 missile signature.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaSiCpPWAAAkTMm?format=png&name=small The only difficulty with this data is: - it is less psychologically damaging to the Russians to believe these attacks are the result of Ukrainian missiles, as opposed to special operations teams. The Russian paranoia can be heightened by tricking them into believing every Russian is a target of clandestine teams. THAT is why I have been arguing sabotage in Crimea (not because I actually believe it). Demoralize the Russians. Get them to give up hope. Let them know they need to kill their unit commander and surrender, or face certain death. That should be our goal. On one hand I agree, in fact the Russians today claim they are finding these supposed units doing the attacks, so they are possibly on a witch hunt arresting innocent people. I'm fine with them being fearful of a new missile system that they have no defense against either. In all honesty, both can be happening at the same time.  In true GD fashion, “get both.” To any Orcs out there: you are sooooo foooked! When the Ukrainians come for you (and they soon will), shoot your commanding officer in the back, and surrender. It is your only hope for survival. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:21:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I know, people are going to be maimed and killed for years because of this. It was in the 60's for me. We learned ALL about blasting caps, handouts good photo's and even movies. We were REALLY blasting capped. I never actually saw one as a kid. My dad said that when he was a kid, they used to play with them all the time. He said you could go out to the mines and the shacks out there had them aplenty. Of course a lot of guys from his era were missing fingers, or most of the hand, or eye. He said he was lucky. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:24:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I think the easiest explanation is we gave them ATACMS and didn't make it public (and said Crimea is Ukraine), followed by Hrim-2. Nope. All missiles leave behind identifiable remnants which the Russians would be quick to point out to prove we were lying. Sure, the Russians lie all the time but if they claim ATACMS, and we lie and say we didn’t supply them, eventually they will prove we are lying. Only lie about stuff you know your enemy cannot refute. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: I wonder how much of that came from what was left behind in A'stan. Seems like a pretty spiffy display in such a short period of time.  The war is going on for months. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:39:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Nope. All missiles leave behind identifiable remnants which the Russians would be quick to point out to prove we were lying. Sure, the Russians lie all the time but if they claim ATACMS, and we lie and say we didn’t supply them, eventually they will prove we are lying. Only lie about stuff you know your enemy cannot refute. good point. But what if the US isn't the ones who supplied the Atacms?Is it possible they got them from another country? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:59:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: good point. But what if the US isn't the ones who supplied the Atacms?Is it possible they got them from another country? To the Russians, that would be a distinction without a difference, even if true. They're basically going to blame everything they can on NATO, for reasons of pride and propaganda. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter: Nope. All missiles leave behind identifiable remnants which the Russians would be quick to point out to prove we were lying. Sure, the Russians lie all the time but if they claim ATACMS, and we lie and say we didn't supply them, eventually they will prove we are lying. Only lie about stuff you know your enemy cannot refute. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:06:33 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: In true GD fashion, “get both.” To any Orcs out there: you are sooooo foooked! When the Ukrainians come for you (and they soon will), shoot your commanding officer in the back, and surrender. It is your only hope for survival. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: I've been watching this scientist's twitter for a few weeks now, and he's got his program calibrated to the point he's able to pinpoint ammo dump explosions and missiles using magnetic anomaly detectors in the area. This is the second time since the airbase in Crimea exploded last week he saw a launch from Odessa area of a mach 5 missile signature.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaSiCpPWAAAkTMm?format=png&name=small The only difficulty with this data is: - it is less psychologically damaging to the Russians to believe these attacks are the result of Ukrainian missiles, as opposed to special operations teams. The Russian paranoia can be heightened by tricking them into believing every Russian is a target of clandestine teams. THAT is why I have been arguing sabotage in Crimea (not because I actually believe it). Demoralize the Russians. Get them to give up hope. Let them know they need to kill their unit commander and surrender, or face certain death. That should be our goal. On one hand I agree, in fact the Russians today claim they are finding these supposed units doing the attacks, so they are possibly on a witch hunt arresting innocent people. I'm fine with them being fearful of a new missile system that they have no defense against either. In all honesty, both can be happening at the same time. In true GD fashion, “get both.” To any Orcs out there: you are sooooo foooked! When the Ukrainians come for you (and they soon will), shoot your commanding officer in the back, and surrender. It is your only hope for survival. Amen to that.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:09:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: good point. But what if the US isn't the ones who supplied the Atacms?Is it possible they got them from another country? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Nope. All missiles leave behind identifiable remnants which the Russians would be quick to point out to prove we were lying. Sure, the Russians lie all the time but if they claim ATACMS, and we lie and say we didn’t supply them, eventually they will prove we are lying. Only lie about stuff you know your enemy cannot refute. good point. But what if the US isn't the ones who supplied the Atacms?Is it possible they got them from another country? Romanian ATACMS would be one of my suspicions, but as mentioned above, they leave telltale signs of who made them and when, contract numbers etc., which lead back to us making them for our allies. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:11:16 PM EDT
[#40]
I think the only way Romania is giving up something that important is if the replacement was in hand.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:21:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: good point. But what if the US isn't the ones who supplied the Atacms?Is it possible they got them from another country? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Wreckshooter: Nope. All missiles leave behind identifiable remnants which the Russians would be quick to point out to prove we were lying. Sure, the Russians lie all the time but if they claim ATACMS, and we lie and say we didn’t supply them, eventually they will prove we are lying. Only lie about stuff you know your enemy cannot refute. good point. But what if the US isn't the ones who supplied the Atacms?Is it possible they got them from another country? With our end user agreements; countries can’t transfer them w/o our permission. It’s like the Israeli Spike missiles that they would not allow to be transferred to Ukraine. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:22:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I think the only way Romania is giving up something that important is if the replacement was in hand. That too. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:25:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: The flip side is, if they point out the remnants, then they are admitting their AD sucks. I think the US is content letting Russia choose between: we sabotaged ourselves, SOF sabotaged us, or our AD is worthless and UA has ordinance that can reach all of Crimea. This. Heads you lose, tails UA wins. They're really gonna get fucked domestically if Crimea keeps getting hit at will and people start asking questions. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:33:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaRxgqLUEAAdyWg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaRxgqLUUAAZz3q?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaRxgqLUUAEQzET?format=jpg&name=large The dates on the pictures indicate they're a little "old" and not from this morning...? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: This. Heads you lose, tails UA wins. They're really gonna get fucked domestically if Crimea keeps getting hit at will and people start asking questions. You should read some RU propaganda, I don't know what these guys are taking, but it's some strong stuff. Dozens of HIMARS destroyed, hundreds of missiles intercepted, 45000! tons of Western supplies destroyed - and that's only from the last week. 
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:53:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jack67]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Illegible_Signature: The dates on the pictures indicate they're a little "old" and not from this morning...? Yes, just a site pic, not claiming it’s totally fresh. Wonder if any of those are the Gauss S300 version? You can get a 5% discount if you buy more than a battery, and 10% for a battalion or more.https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/inflatable-missile-decoy-inflatable-anti-aircraft_60572557236.html  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 5:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: The fire map shows active fires, not artillery strikes. Yes, arty can cause a fire, but it's not a direct correlation. I haven't seen anything that supports more outgoing UA arty than incoming, not that I've seen everything. I'd be glad to see it, but I don't think it's reality. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: Originally Posted By Dominion21: The “hot spots” or fires maps posted daily in this thread have reversed themselves in the south. Most of the strikes today are on the Russian side of the frontline in the south. The fire map shows active fires, not artillery strikes. Yes, arty can cause a fire, but it's not a direct correlation. I haven't seen anything that supports more outgoing UA arty than incoming, not that I've seen everything. I'd be glad to see it, but I don't think it's reality. It's almost a 1-to-1 correlation, particularly since the FIRMS data requires both a certain size, time and temperature to register on the map. That's why it's being used as a surrogate for showing artillery strikes and the fires they cause. The data seems to be showing that Ukraine's strategy of clobbering ammo depots and C2 HQs with long range strikes appears to be taking the wind out of the Russian sails. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 5:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: This. Heads you lose, tails UA wins. They're really gonna get fucked domestically if Crimea keeps getting hit at will and people start asking questions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: The flip side is, if they point out the remnants, then they are admitting their AD sucks. I think the US is content letting Russia choose between: we sabotaged ourselves, SOF sabotaged us, or our AD is worthless and UA has ordinance that can reach all of Crimea. This. Heads you lose, tails UA wins. They're really gonna get fucked domestically if Crimea keeps getting hit at will and people start asking questions. I was really surprised RF didn't retaliate by hitting civilian targets, but looks like Kharkiv may have gotten retaliation strikes. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 5:13:21 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Illegible_Signature: The dates on the pictures indicate they're a little "old" and not from this morning...? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Illegible_Signature: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaRxgqLUEAAdyWg?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaRxgqLUUAAZz3q?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FaRxgqLUUAEQzET?format=jpg&name=large The dates on the pictures indicate they're a little "old" and not from this morning...? Not sure about that part, noticed it too, you can click on the 1985 and see the airbase from an image at that time. but I think the tweet posted them for reference if we get after photos, there should be air defenses for the airfield. In 1985 S-400's weren't in service. |
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