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Posted: 9/22/2021 6:33:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
I know this is talked about regularly but maybe someone will read this and actually look at what is going on.
I do most of the shopping for my wife and I and I am telling you it is getting ridiculous. On top of that supply is getting low. This past Saturday I went to the store and couldn’t find multiple items in the brands I have always bought. Ribeyes were $18.97 a pound. I usually buy Oscar Meyer bacon but today I bought the grocery store brand because the Oscar Meyers was $9 for 12 oz. the food city brand was $4 when you bought 5. I am fairly comfortable. I don’t even pay attention to price most of the time for just the two of us. But I am not finding my brands more and more and the prices are getting to the point I am passing up items I am just not willing to pay for. Again, I know this isn’t news to anyone paying attention but maybe it will help someone. And one last thing to consider… You can not help your nation if you can not take care of yourself and your family. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:18:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark87: On the plus side, this might be the year deer hunting becomes profitable for me, after all of the dumb shit I buy to hunt.  Until your Deer herd comes down with CWD. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:19:03 AM EDT
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Great. So now you guys are going to hoard food further driving up prices and causing shortages.
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:21:47 AM EDT
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You can keep it for those prices. I can do just fine without eating any red meat.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:22:05 AM EDT
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Price of food here is going crazy too. Isn't it funny they don't use food cost when calculating inflation. Hmmm.
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NE, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:22:49 AM EDT
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You can expect prices to keep going up. The local packing plant is advertising $30/hr for maintenance workers and I think $22/hr for production. Plus they will throw extra money at you just to show up on time and work your shift. Yeah packing plants are making huge profits but their labor costs keep rising.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:24:48 AM EDT
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I'm not sure if it's due to staffing and inability to get people to stock shelves or what, but each time I go to Walmart it looks more barren, and items are spread out in a Potemkin fashion to make it look like there is more product than their actually is. Couldn't even find any dry beans when I was there earlier this week
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:27:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CoconutLaCroix]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bookertbab: Price of food here is going crazy too. Isn't it funny they don't use food cost when calculating inflation. Hmmm. What's even funnier is their contrived shelter inflation calculation. Should we actually measure market rent prices and home prices? Nah let's make some bullshit survey that we can use to understate shelter inflation and call it "owners equivalent rent" |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:31:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhov: It's salt. Keep it dry and it's good forever. You should post a YT video of you packing it in baggies for storage. Every once in a while, dip your pinkie in the salt, taste it and say " Man... that is some high grade stuff!". |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:36:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ContrarianIndicator: They do calculate food, but their way of calculating it intentionally understates inflation. They lean heavily on substitutions. The price of a certain cut of meat went up so much that you started using a lower quality cut that is a similar price to what you used to buy? No inflation! What's even funnier is their contrived shelter inflation calculation. Should we actually measure market rent prices and home prices? Nah let's make some bullshit survey that we can use to understate shelter inflation and call it "owners equivalent rent" The food substitutions is exactly where I am at now. Less and less name brands. More chicken, less beef. Plus at this point I am going to need another chest freezer. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:39:11 AM EDT
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Boars Head Ovengold Turkey was regularly $8/lb, now $12
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:42:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Normal times? See above. The market fundamentally changed in 2020. That said, the new normal hasn't changed. Same high volumes are running now as they were 3-4 months ago when nothing was being said. What can cause issues is demand and hoarding like we saw at the beginning of the pandemic, which goes back to my statement of disaster porn is fun. People are still wiping ass with TP bought last year and looking to now horde more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Canoeguy: Originally Posted By fike: Volume/demand remains high (hasn't changed in 6-8 months). Some facilities will have production issues for a short period, but that's common. A few mentions of labor issues a few months back, but that seems to have abated. I'm seeing nothing different from the last 6-8 months. Q4 bid volumes are normal or even slightly up. Rates continue to increase, but that is directly related to available truck capacity. Everybody is adding more equipment. One thing I will add is that the market fundamentally changed after summer 2020 and some of the "favored" chains are now sucking hind tit. This is why we often see threads with one person yelling "shortage" while others see no issue at all. I see a shit ton of requests on a daily basis from a certain retailer that nobody will take (and that we pass on as well). So why is everyone talking about empty shelves? Are you saying these are basically normal times? I am 45 and I have never seen it. ETA: I should mention I have been to four continents and lived briefly in Panama and this is the first time I have experienced gaps on stock on the shelves. Normal times? See above. The market fundamentally changed in 2020. That said, the new normal hasn't changed. Same high volumes are running now as they were 3-4 months ago when nothing was being said. What can cause issues is demand and hoarding like we saw at the beginning of the pandemic, which goes back to my statement of disaster porn is fun. People are still wiping ass with TP bought last year and looking to now horde more. I simply do my patriotic duty to alleviate retail store shelf space overcrowding for certain items. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:43:02 AM EDT
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Is anyone here in the Agricultural sector and if so could you tell me whether there are severe labor shortages or restricted operations that are causing these increases?
I'm wondering whether we're dealing with inflation here? I find it hard to believe that nearly every commodity from oil to bacon is sky high in price right now all due to COVID related issues. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:45:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: Boars Head Ovengold Turkey was regularly $8/lb, now $12 Package weight is likely down 10-15% at the same time. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:56:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EnduroKid: I think the only reason WalMart is so expensive a sizable portion of their customers are using taxpayer dollars and pay no attention to price. I think WalMart has to be right up there in terms of buying power with Costco. I've noticed in my SHTF research over the years that when things fall apart friendship is often more valuable than cash. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:56:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
[#15]
I just had my freight rep stop by and we talked for a long while about supply issues.
There is a lot going on according to him. But some of the highlights… A year or so ago it cost 5k and 4-6 weeks of travel time for a container from China. It is now often 25k and 12-16 weeks with no guarantee the ship will even dock on schedule as there is no room. Many freight companies are putting holds on deliveries because the trailers they have dropped at warehouses aren’t being unloaded. He said they have a list that is now 2 pages long of who they aren’t delivering to. These are big companies he is referring to. China has a straight up $1500 charge per container leaving just because they can. It is his belief that it is a combination of China being number one asshole and labor. Which I think we all think the same. But of course we are also witnessing inflation at a ridiculous speed and it is about to get worse. I know I will be doing a price increase in January. That will make three increases in about 13 months. That has never happened in our company’s forty years of business. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:00:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Londo: I haven't eaten beef to any extent for nearly thirty years. It's venison only. In fact, will have venison steak today for lunch. That said, I probably only eat red meat once or twice a week at most; usually it's an ingredient, not the entree. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Londo: Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: Originally Posted By Twisted10: Kill deer. Im gng to put 4-5 in the freezer this year. Then you're stuck eating venison instead of beef all year though. That said, I probably only eat red meat once or twice a week at most; usually it's an ingredient, not the entree. Venison has all but killed my interest in beef. Now beef just tastes like fatty venison, and I don’t like fat on meat. Put 4 deer in the freezer last year and that’s the only meat we eat in our household now (and I’m not exactly a poor )
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WY, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:09:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WrightP: Shit, that is the most expensive meat! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WrightP: Originally Posted By tetoncounty: Never been a better time to go vegan. In other news, price of elk meat remains stable. Shit, that is the most expensive meat! Depends on your location and skill level. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:11:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: Boars Head Ovengold Turkey was regularly $8/lb, now $12 And the deli dept of my local Krogers has reduced their hours due to staffing shortages, couldn't get any yesterday. 
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:15:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EnduroKid: Sometimes I get Choice Angus ribeyes from WalMart, not sure of the timelines though.. All these changes in maybe 6 months ? $8.97 a lb for the longest time. $12.97 maybe 3 months ago. $22.97 about a month ago. Costco still has same prices as of last week. $13.99 a lb for sliced ribeye or roast. $19.99 for Costco's version of "Prime" grade ribeye. I think the only reason WalMart is so expensive a sizable portion of their customers are using taxpayer dollars and pay no attention to price. I think WalMart has to be right up there in terms of buying power with Costco. Walmart has several times the buying power of Costco. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:17:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:19:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By speedracer422: I have noticed a small increase where I live, bit I haven't seen the $20/lb Ribeyes like has been posted yet. I assume it's coming, but I'm content to just eat deer if if meat triples in price FWIW, my local grocery store had Aussie Ribeyes "on sale" yesterday for $9.95/lb...they usually go on sale for $7-$8/lb and they are awesome  Speed I'm going to pay closer attention, because I'm rarely at the grocery and don't shop. But I haven't noticed an increase in my expenses. Eat more seafood than anything tho, and still working through the full freezer from last year so beef and anything else might not be impacting. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:25:24 AM EDT
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@Canoeguy
I was going to make a thread about the shipping issue but saw your post and thought I should just add to it. The problem is only going to get worse, those who work in the maritime business are seeing it first hand. On Monday, 97 cargo ships were waiting at Los Angeles and Long Beach ports. They are being delayed days and weeks, produce is actually spoiling. Source Its not just West Coast ports, there are log jams at all of our ports, they are parking lots. You can look at a live AIS map here and zoom in on any port in the world. This is not just a US problem. U.S. Ports See Shipping Logjams Likely Extending Far Into 2022 This story is behind a paywall at the WSJ but analysts' expect the problem to continue. There is a butch place local to me here in OK, they currently have a 2 year wait list. If you want your cow/hog butchered, it will be 2 years from now before they can accommodate you. I have a kill date coming up in Nov, took us 2 years to get it. The owner says its just getting worse. Some farmers keep their kill date but don't take ownership of the meat for various reasons so it is sold. People are driving from 2 states away with trailers that have freezers powered by a generator. For the TL/DR crowd, shit is bad and getting worse, there is no relief in sight, take precautions or not, its up to you. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:37:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wienerman1961: Until your Deer herd comes down with CWD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wienerman1961: Originally Posted By HRoark87: On the plus side, this might be the year deer hunting becomes profitable for me, after all of the dumb shit I buy to hunt. Until your Deer herd comes down with CWD. we have a hemorrhagic fever in the herd this year. EHD. Killing the deer from midge bites. Last year was the Hudson valley, now up bu Utica i believe. 
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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:53:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PegasusAirborne: You should post a YT video of you packing it in baggies for storage. Every once in a while, dip your pinkie in the salt, taste it and say " Man... that is some high grade stuff!". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PegasusAirborne: Originally Posted By jhov: It's salt. Keep it dry and it's good forever. You should post a YT video of you packing it in baggies for storage. Every once in a while, dip your pinkie in the salt, taste it and say " Man... that is some high grade stuff!". The best way to buy bulk salt is 50lbs livestock white blocks. No bags to tear or leak, and cheap. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 12:02:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nickmemphis: The best way to buy bulk salt is 50lbs livestock white blocks. No bags to tear or leak, and cheap. Is that straight salt or do they add any other minerals? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 12:13:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JG_Wentworth]
[#26]
Burger King jacked up their prices lately by not offering the $1 or $2 whoppers anymore on their app. The mix n match also got jacked up from $5 to $7. Too bad I was getting those several times a week even back in August , but no more
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Posted: 9/23/2021 12:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LUGERMAN:
You can keep it for those prices. I can do just fine without eating any red meat. 
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Posted: 9/23/2021 1:05:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: southernguy]
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Just contacted another public school to confirm. This is as of today
-Styrofoam plates cannot be purchased -Pizza and biscuits they have not been able to obtain for two weeks - they attempt to over purchase some items hoping to get enough for the students. -lunch menu changes regularly because food is hard to find. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 1:40:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USCG_CPO: @Canoeguy I was going to make a thread about the shipping issue but saw your post and thought I should just add to it. The problem is only going to get worse, those who work in the maritime business are seeing it first hand. On Monday, 97 cargo ships were waiting at Los Angeles and Long Beach ports. They are being delayed days and weeks, produce is actually spoiling. Source Its not just West Coast ports, there are log jams at all of our ports, they are parking lots. You can look at a live AIS map here and zoom in on any port in the world. This is not just a US problem. U.S. Ports See Shipping Logjams Likely Extending Far Into 2022 This story is behind a paywall at the WSJ but analysts' expect the problem to continue. There is a butch place local to me here in OK, they currently have a 2 year wait list. If you want your cow/hog butchered, it will be 2 years from now before they can accommodate you. I have a kill date coming up in Nov, took us 2 years to get it. The owner says its just getting worse. Some farmers keep their kill date but don't take ownership of the meat for various reasons so it is sold. People are driving from 2 states away with trailers that have freezers powered by a generator. For the TL/DR crowd, shit is bad and getting worse, there is no relief in sight, take precautions or not, its up to you. Why is there such a long wait at butchers, did a lot of them go out of business or something ? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 1:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EnduroKid: Why is there such a long wait at butchers, did a lot of them go out of business or something ? Demand for local sourced beef and pork is through the roof. We use to only sell 20 steers a year to the public now we sell almost everything to the locals. Smaller butcher shops can’t handle the demand for there services so a long wait list develops. We have a new butcher shop that started up last year. The hurdles they had to go through to get all the regulations checked off was unreal. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 2:11:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Demand for local sourced beef and pork is through the roof. We use to only sell 20 steers a year to the public now we sell almost everything to the locals. Smaller butcher shops can’t handle the demand for there services so a long wait list develops. We have a new butcher shop that started up last year. The hurdles they had to go through to get all the regulations checked off was unreal. The beef I am getting today is not from a USDA shop. The farmer I got my side from usually takes it to another processor but the lady who runs it was damn near killed by a bull the day before so we had to use another. This shop has a good reputation and they have applied for the USDA approval...but apparently there are no inspectors available within months. Now I don't know how it works to be honest, but that sounds pretty believable in this day and age. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 2:28:08 PM EDT
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I'm going to be hunting more small game this year along with more fishing. We have a 5 deer limit in my zone. I raise meat rabbits and we are going to get a garden going also. The last couple years we have bought a half beef from my brother who raises his own.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 2:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tetoncounty: Depends on your location and skill level. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tetoncounty: Originally Posted By WrightP: Originally Posted By tetoncounty: Never been a better time to go vegan. In other news, price of elk meat remains stable. Shit, that is the most expensive meat! Depends on your location and skill level. Agreed. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 3:32:37 PM EDT
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I am sure I'll be called a commie by someone, but the elite don't really feel any impacts of this. Joe biden, nancy p, bezos, etc. (even the mini-elite) dont care if a weeks worth of groceries goes from $500 to $1000 bucks. Hell most wouldnt blink an eye if it tripled or more. Once again it is the middle and lower class that will feel all the pain.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 3:39:35 PM EDT
[#35]
  it was great 
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Posted: 9/23/2021 3:44:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naamah: Find a local farmer and start studying how to butcher animals. The scarcity doesn’t exist on the farmer side of the equation. It exists in the processing/delivery section of the supply chain. You can buy direct from the farmers at generally decent prices, and if you can butcher it yourself, even better. This. Indiana and Kentucky folks pm me if you want a hog. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: The beef I am getting today is not from a USDA shop. The farmer I got my side from usually takes it to another processor but the lady who runs it was damn near killed by a bull the day before so we had to use another. This shop has a good reputation and they have applied for the USDA approval...but apparently there are no inspectors available within months. Now I don't know how it works to be honest, but that sounds pretty believable in this day and age. None of the local butcher shops here have usda inspectors at them. You only need to have the meat usda inspected when you are selling the meat directly. Farmers sell the animals to the person than bring it to the local butcher shop for them. This gets around the usda rules. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fantomas: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222783/20210920_162606-2102008.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222783/20210920_162653-2098654.jpg it was great I sure hope so, that is a lot of $$$ for bone. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:11:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:16:38 PM EDT
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I am also seeing the really high prices and I don't do much of the shopping, not much in the way of shortages I am seeing here.
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:18:22 PM EDT
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Was in my local Costco this morning. Sirloin steaks were $10.99/lb.
Not as bad as I expected. They were up over $14.99 last year. A recently retired friend of mine was a truck driver for many years. He has his former employer begging him to come back. They are desperate for drivers. They are throwing so much money at him he is seriously considering going back. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: None of the local butcher shops here have usda inspectors at them. You only need to have the meat usda inspected when you are selling the meat directly. Farmers sell the animals to the person than bring it to the local butcher shop for them. This gets around the usda rules. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By Canoeguy: The beef I am getting today is not from a USDA shop. The farmer I got my side from usually takes it to another processor but the lady who runs it was damn near killed by a bull the day before so we had to use another. This shop has a good reputation and they have applied for the USDA approval...but apparently there are no inspectors available within months. Now I don't know how it works to be honest, but that sounds pretty believable in this day and age. None of the local butcher shops here have usda inspectors at them. You only need to have the meat usda inspected when you are selling the meat directly. Farmers sell the animals to the person than bring it to the local butcher shop for them. This gets around the usda rules. I think that's how it tends to work most places here. You pay the farmer for the beef, then you are the owner. He takes it to the butcher for you and then you go pick it up when it's ready. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:49:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
[#43]
I literally just picked up my beef and I’m about to put it in the freezer. Do I need to wrap it in butcher paper even though I had it vacuum packed or is the vacuum packed good enough??
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Posted: 9/23/2021 4:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: I think that's how it tends to work most places here. You pay the farmer for the beef, then you are the owner. He takes it to the butcher for you and then you go pick it up when it's ready. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: Originally Posted By GoldenMead: Originally Posted By Canoeguy: The beef I am getting today is not from a USDA shop. The farmer I got my side from usually takes it to another processor but the lady who runs it was damn near killed by a bull the day before so we had to use another. This shop has a good reputation and they have applied for the USDA approval...but apparently there are no inspectors available within months. Now I don't know how it works to be honest, but that sounds pretty believable in this day and age. None of the local butcher shops here have usda inspectors at them. You only need to have the meat usda inspected when you are selling the meat directly. Farmers sell the animals to the person than bring it to the local butcher shop for them. This gets around the usda rules. I think that's how it tends to work most places here. You pay the farmer for the beef, then you are the owner. He takes it to the butcher for you and then you go pick it up when it's ready. Yup that is what happens when we buy a beef. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 5:02:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: I literally just picked up my beef and I’m about to put it in the freezer. Do I need to wrap it in butcher paper even though I had it vacuum packed or is the vacuum packed good enough?? If it's truly vacuum packed then nothing else needs to be done other then be careful not to puncture the plastic. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 5:02:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Canoeguy: I literally just picked up my beef and I’m about to put it in the freezer. Do I need to wrap it in butcher paper even though I had it vacuum packed or is the vacuum packed good enough?? If it is vacuum packed it should be fine. |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 5:05:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/23/2021 5:21:49 PM EDT
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Beef is king, but I eat and stock up on can tuna and sardines as well. Easy to store, no refrigeration required and I'm not concerned about mercury. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2021 5:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1srelluc: In before someone claims they bought USDA Prime ribeyes for $4.87 a pound. Earlier this year I bought 1/2 a cow for just over $3.00/pound. Does that count? |
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Posted: 9/23/2021 5:50:31 PM EDT
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I lost several hundred dollars of meat because someone didn’t close the freezer all the way. I’m pissed.
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