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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:50:49 AM EDT
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Ours don't use drugs
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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:51:01 AM EDT
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PEDs
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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:52:15 AM EDT
[#3]
hard to find a guy at that level that doesnt juice ?
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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:54:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ours don't use drugs  Oh wait, you were serious? 
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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:55:33 AM EDT
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Icelanders seem genetically predisposed to having their top strongmen be the best in the world.
Kinda like how Kenyans win the long distance races. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:57:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:58:24 AM EDT
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We have many weight lifters. Not so many Weightlifters.
Our drug programs are not competitive with the State-sponsored ones. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 10:58:31 AM EDT
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The real reason is that there is no money behind it
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:01:33 AM EDT
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I remember reading about the eastern block lifters and how their "step loading" regimen was superior to our "80%, sets of 5" style of weight training. It's pretty interesting.
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:03:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Icelanders seem genetically predisposed to having their top strongmen be the best in the world. Kinda like how Kenyans win the long distance races. For sure. At least that's natural though. Kenya has silly long distance genes. Iceland has super bro strength genes. China gets the best divers by the CCP taking them at 3yo and making them dive 18hrs a day or their family will be starved. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:04:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ours don't use drugs it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:05:23 AM EDT
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There are a lot of countries that don’t have heavily enforced anti-doping programs. I’m not saying that there aren’t also US athletes using steroids, there are plenty, but many other countries don’t even bother to check so you can use steroids right up until the week before you compete.
Also, no matter how good you are at something, there’s an Asian somewhere who is better at it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:06:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading about the eastern block lifters and how their "step loading" regimen was superior to our "80%, sets of 5" style of weight training. It's pretty interesting. This. One of my sons has been a competative lifter since 14, now moving into Stronkman comps. He says Eastern Europeans have a genetic advantage, something to.with fast vs slow twitch, etc I say it's because theirs is a cold, bleak existence and there's nothing else to do.but PU heavy shit. 
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:06:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real reason is that there is no money behind it And there it is. Fuck the Olympics. It’s as bad as NCAA sports. Athletes can’t be paid, GTFOH with that. School spirit? National pride? Screw you, pay me. It’s beyond a full time job commitment in both cases assuming you are genetically at the top and have devoted your entire life to that goal. And the Olympics brings in serious money, just not for the athletes. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:07:50 AM EDT
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Because it’s almost harvest session and the farmers need to be on their land, not in a far off 2nd tier country.
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:08:06 AM EDT
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Powerlifting is not an olympic sport, neither is Strongman. Olympic lifting is not as popular here as it is elsewhere.
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:14:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Powerlifting is not an olympic sport, neither is Strongman. Olympic lifting is not as popular here as it is elsewhere. It's more technique than brute strength. LOL, we need another Kaz!!!  Bill Kazmaier | World's Strongest Man |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:16:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China gets the best divers by the CCP taking them at 3yo and making them dive 18hrs a day or their family will be starved. Yup |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:17:33 AM EDT
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The Chinese men lifters looked sauced to the eyeballs. Totally different physiques than Indonesia, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:20:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ours don't use drugs LOL |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:21:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ours don't use drugs it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US I think that’s a lot of it. If you want to compete here you either have to do it natty, or mostly natty and be good at coming up clean for tests. In a lot of other places nobody gives a shit. You only have to test clean for the olympics. It’s not hard to test clean for the olympics, despite many Olympian’s fucking it up anyway, and even then they’d have a significant amount of additional gained muscle and strength from their non-natural accumulated time before their Olympic runup. More than enough to make them above and beyond what someone natty would have been able to accumulate. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:21:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And there it is. Fuck the Olympics. It’s as bad as NCAA sports. Athletes can’t be paid, GTFOH with that. School spirit? National pride? Screw you, pay me. It’s beyond a full time job commitment in both cases assuming you are genetically at the top and have devoted your entire life to that goal. And the Olympics brings in serious money, just not for the athletes. They can now be paid for their Name and Image. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:21:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China gets the best divers by the CCP taking them at 3yo and making them dive 18hrs a day or their family will be starved. They produce some bad ass divers that way, though. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:22:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Icelanders seem genetically predisposed to having their top strongmen be the best in the world. Kinda like how Kenyans win the long distance races. Except recently. And Hafthor is an asshole. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:23:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ours don't use drugs lmao |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:25:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ours don't use drugs it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US and tests are super easy to defeat |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:25:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can now be paid for their Name and Image. That’s a new one on me (but I’ve been out of the country and don’t really follow the news that closely) Can a college pay benefits to the particular high value athlete? Or is it just an NCAA TM stuff, like merchandise and video games? Like if a top pick can’t decide between Alabama or Oklahoma, but Alabama says they’ll give him $100,000 or buy him a new car, that’s still illegal. Seem to remember a particular coach who got in trouble for that kind of thing a while back. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:26:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:26:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Chinese men lifters looked sauced to the eyeballs. Totally different physiques than Indonesia, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, etc. Genetic engineering. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:26:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and tests are super easy to defeat Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ours don't use drugs it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US and tests are super easy to defeat It’s not hard for someone with half a brain. That they regularly get busted anyway blows my mind. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:30:00 AM EDT
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I think it's as simple as the fact that other countries start weightlifting training as children. Nothing more, nothing less. State sponsored camps go a long way, not to mention state sponsored doping programs. American lifters get an early start if they're 14-17. By that point these kids have already been lifting for 10 years.
 https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1076586/the-chinese-system-how-china-left-europe-in-its-wake-to-become-a-weightlifting-superpower |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:30:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They produce some bad ass divers that way, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: China gets the best divers by the CCP taking them at 3yo and making them dive 18hrs a day or their family will be starved. They produce some bad ass divers that way, though. Jokes on them diving is dumb |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:32:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and tests are super easy to defeat Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ours don't use drugs it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US and tests are super easy to defeat sure, one or twice maybe - like the olympics. But not every other competition of your entire career. Sorry. In the US, the Oly lifting scene is generally natural BECAUSE everything is fucking tested. You do two comps a year and you barely have time to get a cycle in between. Just the way it is and therefore most all are not using gear. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:36:54 AM EDT
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Before crossfit almost no one in the US did oly lifts.
And we don't have state sponsored drugs. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:38:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: sure, one or twice maybe - like the olympics. But not every other competition of your entire career. Sorry. In the US, the Oly lifting scene is generally natural BECAUSE everything is fucking tested. You do two comps a year and you barely have time to get a cycle in between. Just the way it is and therefore most all are not using gear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ours don't use drugs it's really this simple. ETA: to the guys who are obviously not golfers - this is Olympic lifting, not body building or un-tested powerlifting. There is no federation for competing in oly lifts that is untested in the US and tests are super easy to defeat sure, one or twice maybe - like the olympics. But not every other competition of your entire career. Sorry. In the US, the Oly lifting scene is generally natural BECAUSE everything is fucking tested. You do two comps a year and you barely have time to get a cycle in between. Just the way it is and therefore most all are not using gear. Incorrect. If you know when the comp is and you're smart about the type of gear you take you only need from 3-4 days to a couple weeks to piss clean. Most weightlifters aren't going to do more than 2-3....(maybe 4 on the outside) comps a year anyway. I'm not saying they're all juicing, but if you think it's not easy to defeat the tests and you're claiming that none are juicing because of the tests then you are misinformed. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:38:29 AM EDT
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Drugs certainly play a role. The movie Icarus is pretty good in showing just how widespread the Russian doping program went, even for olympic curlers!
Money is also huge. I do know that Germany basically "enlists" their weightlifters in the army, and their job is to train. Other eastern bloc countries also basically pay their weightlifters a salary along with the dedicated training camps with catering, physiotherapists, saunas, etc. @fit definitely raised the interest level of weightlifting, and there is talent out there, just no cash to sustain a program to pump out a stable of internationally competitive lifters. IMHO |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:38:55 AM EDT
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Wes Kitts is pretty top tier. But we don’t do well because we don’t have the state sponsored doping programs other countries do. I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese to try and breed people to be good at certain sports and definitely wouldn’t put it past them to try and use Crispr tech to make genetically enhanced athletes in the future.
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:38:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ours don't use drugs Bro do you even lift bruuuh. Want some juice brruaaaah? For those of you who don't lift you don't simply train 7 days a week for a couple years and throw up a 250 snatch and 500 clean and jerk |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:38:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before crossfit almost no one in the US did oly lifts. And we don't have state sponsored drugs. lol this is actually a really good point. At first I wanted to disagree but then I was like "oh yeah, I really didn't see any oly comps 20 years ago, only powerlifting" - I know, anecdotal, but one I'm inclined to think is true |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:39:02 AM EDT
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Bad knees. Hard to kneel as much as they have to with bad knees.
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:40:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before crossfit almost no one in the US did oly lifts. And we don't have state sponsored drugs. Yup, say what you will about CF but it's increased the interest in WL and a few other sports exponentially. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:41:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The real reason is that there is no money behind it Exactly. Athletes of that caliber have way more and better opportunities in other sports in the US. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:41:33 AM EDT
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I'd imagine that a lot of the elite strength talent in the US gets funneled into organizations like the NFL, where they can earn millions and millions with their abilities, rather than focusing on competitive Oly lifting.
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:42:13 AM EDT
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All of them are spending time becoming girls so they can win with less work.
It takes a few years for the hormones to work you know. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:43:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Icelanders seem genetically predisposed to having their top strongmen be the best in the world. Kinda like how Kenyans win the long distance races. This. Genetics is a thing. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:45:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:46:25 AM EDT
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I think we should stop the charade and just let everyone use a fuck ton of drugs in all competition.
Let's see how far we can push human abilities with drugs. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:49:55 AM EDT
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Because the US Anti Doping Agency actually does their job. It’s far from impossible to beat the tests, but look at how so many UFC athlete physiques absolutely melted when they brought in USADA to do their testing.
Meanwhile, China/Russia/etc has state sponsored doping programs to pump their athletes full of juice before and even during Olympic competition. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:50:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we should stop the charade and just let everyone use a fuck ton of drugs in all competition. Let's see how far we can push human abilities with drugs. Naturally occurring hormones are not drugs. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:50:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we should stop the charade and just let everyone use a fuck ton of drugs in all competition. Let's see how far we can push human abilities with drugs. hellyeahbrother.gif I was chatting with a buddy a couple years ago talking about this. He said "do you want to watch a clean competition or not?!?" I said "I don't give a fuck if it's a clean competition, if I want to watch a mediocre lifter I can video myself, I want to see a roided up beast snatch a house" Fuck it, most are already doping anyway. Who cares as long as it's an even playing field. |
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