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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:18:38 AM EDT
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How many miles does a battery last?
And much pollution is created to make one? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:20:36 AM EDT
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Of course it does. It's just like replacing the battery pack from a hybrid car, only the battery pack is 4x larger. 4x the cost, nothing surprising here. Batteries suck. They're good for pocket electronics and emergency change overs, but they are not to be trusted as your sole source of power.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:20:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:21:20 AM EDT
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That is why I would never buy one. I buy used and like to keep my vehicles 20+ years. For most people that isn't an issue.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:21:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many miles does a battery last? And much pollution is created to make one? And hazardous waste when it is spent. Yea, we environmentalists now. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:23:31 AM EDT
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But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:23:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many miles does a battery last? And much pollution is created to make one? Warranty 8 years to 100000 miles... Batteries can have issues that warranty does not cover it states... |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:24:31 AM EDT
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I guess that's why the stock price is $800+
Just like Apple ... it's not the products, it's the repairs and accessories that drive revenue. But can we really put a price on the polar bears lives that it saves? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:25:32 AM EDT
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Virtue signaling isn't free!
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:26:11 AM EDT
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But, but you save money on gas.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:26:22 AM EDT
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My car will burn $10,000 in gas over it’s entire life.
16k is a lot to spend on an energy tank that you have to fill every 200 miles. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:27:53 AM EDT
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there are shops that can break down your tesla battery.
find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:30:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:30:09 AM EDT
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Do these types of batteries go to hell like typical ones do if left sitting around unused?
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:30:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple well, there is that little detail. edit, wait they did at first , not anymore. they will take your upgrades but not brick you. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:30:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. From the pictures I've seen it looks like a giant firecracker string of double A batteries. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:31:00 AM EDT
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My wife's Prius is 10 years old with close to 90,000 miles and the battery health is fine.
Replacement ICE's aren't cheap either and aren't getting any cheaper, however batteries will only become cheaper. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:31:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do these types of batteries go to hell like typical ones do if left sitting around unused? Last I heard Telsa uses standard 18650 cells. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:31:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Quote HistoryQuoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Quoted: Quoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:32:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife's Prius is 10 years old with close to 90,000 miles and the battery health is fine. Replacement ICE's aren't cheap either and aren't getting any cheaper, however batteries will only become cheaper. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:33:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:34:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. A friend of mine bought his sister-in-law's 2001 Prius that needed batteries. He found a company out of Texas that installed a new battery pack for $1,200. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:35:41 AM EDT
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The battery has a minimum lifespan of 1,500 charge cycles, which should translate to 300,000+ miles (standard range/standard range plus) to 500,000 miles (long-range variants)
New batteries will be hitting 1 million miles+ lifespan within a few years. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:36:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Quoted: Quoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. Didn't Apple get it's hand spanked for that as now you can have 3rd parties change batteries, screen etc again. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:37:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:39:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Virtue signaling isn't free! It's why you make other people pay for it. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:40:56 AM EDT
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Over 8000 Made In Japan 18650 Lithium batteries, or assembled in USA 2160 battery modules,
thermally regulated, and arranged in modules to maximize cooling and with intrinsic pipes weaving through like a snake for coolant flow... does not come cheap. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:41:19 AM EDT
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How much does a new motor cost on other cars that go 0-60 in 2.8 seconds?
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:43:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple That they will |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:44:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's kind of the inverse of the "Star Wars" donkey cart, where there's some big ass alien lizard horse pulling a sled that floats on anti-gravity. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:51:25 AM EDT
[#31]
I've read that electric car cost per mile is cheaper.
Anyone have comparison of cost per mile including battery replacement? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:52:47 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife's Prius is 10 years old with close to 90,000 miles and the battery health is fine. Replacement ICE's aren't cheap either and aren't getting any cheaper, however batteries will only become cheaper. 90,000 miles isn't much IMO. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:53:02 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple Link? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:53:11 AM EDT
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tHeY lAsT 500,000 mIleS tHoUgH
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:53:45 AM EDT
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StilStill cheaper to replace an engine. You dont have to buy new to have an enginr that will last.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:55:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. They won't necessarily brick your car but they will do many other unethical things to fuck with you Decrease your vehicle range, turn off features, many other things. Their service division is very unethical And in some ways anti-consumer, buying parts from them is quite difficult to in some cases due to ridiculous reasoning. I just don't know how their customers put up with it |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:56:27 AM EDT
[#37]
What about the electric motors
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:56:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The battery has a minimum lifespan of 1,500 charge cycles, which should translate to 300,000+ miles (standard range/standard range plus) to 500,000 miles (long-range variants) New batteries will be hitting 1 million miles+ lifespan within a few years. LOFL and you believe such nonsense? My laptop and iPhone batteries sucks ass after 1 year. How is this any better? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:57:35 AM EDT
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Laughs out loud as I drive a battery powered forklift.
Replacement batteries aren't cheap and I'm lucky if I can keep a battery for 8 months. Once new, their great but after awhile the charge doesn't last as long and it gets worse from there. The future is bright! And it gets dim from there. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:58:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is why I would never buy one. I buy used and like to keep my vehicles 20+ years. For most people that isn't an issue. Dust to dust doing that co2 is way lower than owning a new tesla every three years However I love Elon so don’t care |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:59:00 AM EDT
[#41]
Not a mechanic.
But my understanding is that ICE's have the advantage of being able to be rebuilt and you can find spare parts, even entire engines in boneyards to keep old vehicles running long after they're no longer manufactured. Electric cars have that ability I am sure, but what about the battery? Seems to be the achilles heel. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The battery has a minimum lifespan of 1,500 charge cycles, which should translate to 300,000+ miles (standard range/standard range plus) to 500,000 miles (long-range variants) New batteries will be hitting 1 million miles+ lifespan within a few years. Link to your source? I'm gonna raise the BS flag until proof. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:59:36 AM EDT
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The tech isn't where it needs to be just yet.
 The Impact of Graphene It's getting there though. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many miles does a battery last? And much pollution is created to make one? Irrelevant. It makes the Environmental Greenie Wienies feel good. 
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:01:23 PM EDT
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My mother’s 2006 Prius with 120,000 miles got her less in trade than my 2005 Taurus with 170,000 miles because hers needed a new battery
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:01:35 PM EDT
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Average electric vehicle: 1500 parts.
Average ICE vehicle: 10,000 parts. Conversation over. Electric vehicles will dominate commuting in the next few decades. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:03:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the electric motors Good question |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:05:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Quoted: Quoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. These are the same people who want you to own nothing and love it, remember? |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A friend of mine bought his sister-in-law's 2001 Prius that needed batteries. He found a company out of Texas that installed a new battery pack for $1,200. True. You can do it yourself for less than $1K. There are Prius owners now with over 250k miles on the car with 80% battery life left on factory cells. Sounds impressive until you realize your still driving a Prius. The tech is solid though. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:05:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much does a new motor cost on other cars that go 0-60 in 2.8 seconds? Or brakes, or oil changes over the life of the car. EVs are the future. I know I’ll miss ICE but it doesn’t change reality. |
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