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Posted: 1/27/2021 11:17:58 AM EDT
Ouch, but not a big ouch, many engine jobs are near that for some platforms
it's not too bad considering there is Mercedes amg's engines out there that are 50k a crate https://www.thedrive.com/tech/38915/it-costs-nearly-16000-to-replace-a-tesla-model-3-battery-pack |
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How many miles does a battery last?
And much pollution is created to make one? |
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Of course it does. It's just like replacing the battery pack from a hybrid car, only the battery pack is 4x larger. 4x the cost, nothing surprising here. Batteries suck. They're good for pocket electronics and emergency change overs, but they are not to be trusted as your sole source of power.
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That is why I would never buy one. I buy used and like to keep my vehicles 20+ years. For most people that isn't an issue.
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But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars.
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I guess that's why the stock price is $800+
Just like Apple ... it's not the products, it's the repairs and accessories that drive revenue. But can we really put a price on the polar bears lives that it saves? |
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My car will burn $10,000 in gas over it’s entire life.
16k is a lot to spend on an energy tank that you have to fill every 200 miles. |
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there are shops that can break down your tesla battery.
find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. |
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Do these types of batteries go to hell like typical ones do if left sitting around unused?
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My wife's Prius is 10 years old with close to 90,000 miles and the battery health is fine.
Replacement ICE's aren't cheap either and aren't getting any cheaper, however batteries will only become cheaper. |
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Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Quoted: Quoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. |
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Quoted: My wife's Prius is 10 years old with close to 90,000 miles and the battery health is fine. Replacement ICE's aren't cheap either and aren't getting any cheaper, however batteries will only become cheaper. View Quote |
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Quoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? |
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Quoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. View Quote A friend of mine bought his sister-in-law's 2001 Prius that needed batteries. He found a company out of Texas that installed a new battery pack for $1,200. |
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The battery has a minimum lifespan of 1,500 charge cycles, which should translate to 300,000+ miles (standard range/standard range plus) to 500,000 miles (long-range variants)
New batteries will be hitting 1 million miles+ lifespan within a few years. |
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Quoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Quoted: Quoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. Didn't Apple get it's hand spanked for that as now you can have 3rd parties change batteries, screen etc again. |
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Quoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. View Quote |
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Over 8000 Made In Japan 18650 Lithium batteries, or assembled in USA 2160 battery modules,
thermally regulated, and arranged in modules to maximize cooling and with intrinsic pipes weaving through like a snake for coolant flow... does not come cheap. |
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How much does a new motor cost on other cars that go 0-60 in 2.8 seconds?
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That's kind of the inverse of the "Star Wars" donkey cart, where there's some big ass alien lizard horse pulling a sled that floats on anti-gravity. |
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I've read that electric car cost per mile is cheaper.
Anyone have comparison of cost per mile including battery replacement? |
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StilStill cheaper to replace an engine. You dont have to buy new to have an enginr that will last.
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Quoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. View Quote They won't necessarily brick your car but they will do many other unethical things to fuck with you Decrease your vehicle range, turn off features, many other things. Their service division is very unethical And in some ways anti-consumer, buying parts from them is quite difficult to in some cases due to ridiculous reasoning. I just don't know how their customers put up with it |
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Quoted: The battery has a minimum lifespan of 1,500 charge cycles, which should translate to 300,000+ miles (standard range/standard range plus) to 500,000 miles (long-range variants) New batteries will be hitting 1 million miles+ lifespan within a few years. View Quote LOFL and you believe such nonsense? My laptop and iPhone batteries sucks ass after 1 year. How is this any better? |
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Laughs out loud as I drive a battery powered forklift.
Replacement batteries aren't cheap and I'm lucky if I can keep a battery for 8 months. Once new, their great but after awhile the charge doesn't last as long and it gets worse from there. The future is bright! And it gets dim from there. |
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Not a mechanic.
But my understanding is that ICE's have the advantage of being able to be rebuilt and you can find spare parts, even entire engines in boneyards to keep old vehicles running long after they're no longer manufactured. Electric cars have that ability I am sure, but what about the battery? Seems to be the achilles heel. |
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Quoted: The battery has a minimum lifespan of 1,500 charge cycles, which should translate to 300,000+ miles (standard range/standard range plus) to 500,000 miles (long-range variants) New batteries will be hitting 1 million miles+ lifespan within a few years. View Quote Link to your source? I'm gonna raise the BS flag until proof. |
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The tech isn't where it needs to be just yet.
The Impact of Graphene It's getting there though. |
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My mother’s 2006 Prius with 120,000 miles got her less in trade than my 2005 Taurus with 170,000 miles because hers needed a new battery
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Average electric vehicle: 1500 parts.
Average ICE vehicle: 10,000 parts. Conversation over. Electric vehicles will dominate commuting in the next few decades. |
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Quoted: Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: But these and other $50k+ cars you have to throw away every 5 - 8 years are going to replace gasoline cars. Yes. They largely will. You don't think people only buy factory battery packs for - for example - replacement in an early generation Prius? Those are very expensive. Or you can buy a made-in-the-USA aftermarket unit for a couple thousand bucks and it includes sending the old pack to them by freight. That couple thousand bucks gives you a battery good for another 8+ years. Why would purely electric vehicles be any different in terms of aftermarket support? Quoted: Quoted: there are shops that can break down your tesla battery. find the bad cell and replace it. and it will not cost `16 grand. Telsa will brick your car for unauthorized repairs. Just like Apple Are you serious? That's beyond outrageous. Apple and Tesla - and more - all need to have their dicks slapped by "right to repair". It shouldn't have to be said that people ought to hold rights to repair and change their belongings as they want but here we are. These are the same people who want you to own nothing and love it, remember? |
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Quoted: A friend of mine bought his sister-in-law's 2001 Prius that needed batteries. He found a company out of Texas that installed a new battery pack for $1,200. View Quote True. You can do it yourself for less than $1K. There are Prius owners now with over 250k miles on the car with 80% battery life left on factory cells. Sounds impressive until you realize your still driving a Prius. The tech is solid though. |
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