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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:19:38 PM EDT
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A good friend of mine, RIP Bob, donated 3 airplanes to the museum. There is a plaque somewhere there in his honor.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:20:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: I spent the day wandering around at Wright Patterson (technically the official museum of the airforce). I haven't been there since I was a little kid, back when you had to be bussed from the main museum to some dilapidated hangers on the base. It's way nicer now, and a very fun time. Having said that, there was a huge dose of propaganda ish stuff about women every 100ft or so. I don't have an issue with the relevant stuff like, Jackie Cochran, WACs in WW2, etc. It was randomly grafted onto stuff everywhere, as in here's a C5 Galaxy, we'll throw a display about the first C5 Galaxy all female crew to take an international flight. I'd guess that they literally went through and figured that every X feet they'd add something about women. And since this is a gun board, I am going to make fun of them for the having a sign on a WW1 German plane explaining it was armed with two 9mm Spandau machine guns. You are aware they did indeed use the Villar Perosa a portable double-barrel machine gun firing a 9mm round. It consisted of two independent coupled weapons, each with its own barrel, firing mechanism, and separate 25-round magazine. So they might have been referring to that ... The Spandau was also available in calibers like 13mm |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:23:31 PM EDT
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We went there a few times, not that recently though, maybe 4-5 years ago. Nothing jumped out at me, or was even slightly memorable, as being woke. Cool place, especially the admission price.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are aware they did indeed use the Villar Perosa a portable double-barrel machine gun firing a 9mm round. It consisted of two independent coupled weapons, each with its own barrel, firing mechanism, and separate 25-round magazine. So they might have been referring to that ... The Spandau was also available in calibers like 13mm Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I spent the day wandering around at Wright Patterson (technically the official museum of the airforce). I haven't been there since I was a little kid, back when you had to be bussed from the main museum to some dilapidated hangers on the base. It's way nicer now, and a very fun time. Having said that, there was a huge dose of propaganda ish stuff about women every 100ft or so. I don't have an issue with the relevant stuff like, Jackie Cochran, WACs in WW2, etc. It was randomly grafted onto stuff everywhere, as in here's a C5 Galaxy, we'll throw a display about the first C5 Galaxy all female crew to take an international flight. I'd guess that they literally went through and figured that every X feet they'd add something about women. And since this is a gun board, I am going to make fun of them for the having a sign on a WW1 German plane explaining it was armed with two 9mm Spandau machine guns. You are aware they did indeed use the Villar Perosa a portable double-barrel machine gun firing a 9mm round. It consisted of two independent coupled weapons, each with its own barrel, firing mechanism, and separate 25-round magazine. So they might have been referring to that ... The Spandau was also available in calibers like 13mm The Germans and the Italians were on opposite sides in WW1, so they sure weren't using Villars. As far as I know the german aircraft calibers were 7.9mm and 13mm (maybe some experimental TuF guns at the end. The allies did use 11mm gras MGs for incendiary capacity, but I don't think the Germans tried that (with 11mm Mauser). Any case...not 9mm. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:25:17 PM EDT
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The Liberty Bell in Philly is the same. Shit about slavery and contributions of slaves everywhere. Just brutal...
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We went there a few times, not that recently though, maybe 4-5 years ago. Nothing jumped out at me, or was even slightly memorable, as being woke. Cool place, especially the admission price. Kinda looked like someone went around with a tape measure and dropped an extra display board about women every X feet in some of the halls. I have zero issues with the ones that make sense historically, some were absolutely grafted on. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:27:51 PM EDT
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Could be their way of getting more women into the museum, my wife would be bored to death looking at planes
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:30:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Liberty Bell in Philly is the same. Shit about slavery and contributions of slaves everywhere. Just brutal... It pissed me off going to Mt. Vernon and Monticello. Both just monuments of how awful whites are. I told the guide woman at Mt. Vernon to get lost, I'd appreciate the place on my own. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:30:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may go back tomorrow and get a picture. They were regular 7.92x57mm guns. The Germans and the Italians were on opposite sides in WW1, so they sure weren't using Villars. As far as I know the german aircraft calibers were 7.9mm and 13mm (maybe some experimental TuF guns at the end. The allies did use 11mm gras MGs for incendiary capacity, but I don't think the Germans tried that (with 11mm Mauser). Any case...not 9mm. Actually you would be wrong Germany was a user of the Villar on aircraft as did Hungary and the UK . |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:33:15 PM EDT
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I used to work for a museum (very fortunately now retired!)
They are all woke, now. But it isn't just museums. It's everywhere, especially on tv. Almost half the ads on tv now feature black people. I have nothing against black people! But to watch the ads, you would think the US is 40% black instead of 13%. And I have counted eight ads that show a white male with a black wife, like that is some sort of "thing". I'm pretty sure it's not. (and I do not give a rats ass who marries whom!) |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:37:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be their way of getting more women into the museum, my wife would be bored to death looking at planes I saw a number of women taking their kids around, and the ones I overheard were doing a really good job. So you might be right. This is just a perception, but for whatever reason there was less of it in the Vietnam gallery compared to the rest. They have a neat missile silo thing now and the control room has an all female group of mannequins. Some how I kinda doubt most missile control crews were female in the LGM-30 Minuteman I era. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:37:37 PM EDT
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What is not.......
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:38:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually you would be wrong Germany was a user of the Villar on aircraft as did Hungary and the UK . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I may go back tomorrow and get a picture. They were regular 7.92x57mm guns. The Germans and the Italians were on opposite sides in WW1, so they sure weren't using Villars. As far as I know the german aircraft calibers were 7.9mm and 13mm (maybe some experimental TuF guns at the end. The allies did use 11mm gras MGs for incendiary capacity, but I don't think the Germans tried that (with 11mm Mauser). Any case...not 9mm. Actually you would be wrong Germany was a user of the Villar on aircraft as did Hungary and the UK . I can't imagine they could call up the Italians and put in an order while at war. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:41:35 PM EDT
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We visited last year, hell of a museum, don’t recall much wokeness. I could have spent the whole day in the WW2 exhibit. They also had a nice temporary exhibit honoring Military working dogs.
Pre Covid, one could walk through the retired Air Force one and other presidential jets. I think they’ve closed that off for now. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to work for a museum (very fortunately now retired!) They are all woke, now. But it isn't just museums. It's everywhere, especially on tv. Almost half the ads on tv now feature black people. I have nothing against black people! But to watch the ads, you would think the US is 40% black instead of 13%. And I have counted eight ads that show a white male with a black wife, like that is some sort of "thing". I'm pretty sure it's not. (and I do not give a rats ass who marries whom!) I vaguely remember a good thread here that had divorce and domestic violence stats, and white guy/black girl marriages were statistically among the best. Doesn't mean it's common, but I'm not going to complain about it in TV ads. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:54:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We visited last year, hell of a museum, don't recall much wokeness. I could have spent the whole day in the WW2 exhibit. They also had a nice temporary exhibit honoring Military working dogs. Pre Covid, one could walk through the retired Air Force one and other presidential jets. I think they've closed that off for now. It is a hell of a museum, period. I may go back tomorrow for a bit too. Anyone wants pics let me know. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a number of women taking their kids around, and the ones I overheard were doing a really good job. So you might be right. This is just a perception, but for whatever reason there was less of it in the Vietnam gallery compared to the rest. They have a neat missile silo thing now and the control room has an all female group of mannequins. Some how I kinda doubt most missile control crews were female in the LGM-30 Minuteman I era. Women have been on Minuteman crew since 1988. When I got to Grand Forks in 1989, the first female on crew there was a 1Lt and had been there almost a year and a half. The seventh female crewmember in the Forks was in my training class. That trainer was retired from Ellsworth AFB in 1994 when they shut the 44th Missile Wing down. My last trip to the museum (2018) they were both female then, so it's not like they swapped them out anytime recently. In this case (MM trainer), I think it has more to do with the availability of male mannequins than anything else. They need the male ones pretty much every other place in the museum, and women were on crew by then, so.... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:06:58 PM EDT
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The military has been aping corporate culture for decades now. So like modern American corporations, they've strayed from worrying about their primary missions (for instance, making a profit) and have focused on being woke.
And that shit can continue open loop right up to the point were you get into a conflict with a serious adversary. Then we'll see to what extent wokeness has overtaken military effectiveness. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:07:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Women have been on Minuteman crew since 1988. When I got to Grand Forks in 1989, the first female on crew there was a 1Lt and had been there almost a year and a half. The seventh female crewmember in the Forks was in my training class. That trainer was retired from Ellsworth AFB in 1994 when they shut the 44th Missile Wing down. My last trip to the museum (2018) they were both female then, so it's not like they swapped them out anytime recently. In this case (MM trainer), I think it has more to do with the availability of male mannequins than anything else. They need the male ones pretty much every other place in the museum, and women were on crew by then, so.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I saw a number of women taking their kids around, and the ones I overheard were doing a really good job. So you might be right. This is just a perception, but for whatever reason there was less of it in the Vietnam gallery compared to the rest. They have a neat missile silo thing now and the control room has an all female group of mannequins. Some how I kinda doubt most missile control crews were female in the LGM-30 Minuteman I era. Women have been on Minuteman crew since 1988. When I got to Grand Forks in 1989, the first female on crew there was a 1Lt and had been there almost a year and a half. The seventh female crewmember in the Forks was in my training class. That trainer was retired from Ellsworth AFB in 1994 when they shut the 44th Missile Wing down. My last trip to the museum (2018) they were both female then, so it's not like they swapped them out anytime recently. In this case (MM trainer), I think it has more to do with the availability of male mannequins than anything else. They need the male ones pretty much every other place in the museum, and women were on crew by then, so.... |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:12:04 PM EDT
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Took 2 of my kids there a couple weeks ago. Made sure my 7 and 5 year old boys saw everything, had a great time.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:13:10 PM EDT
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I still want to go someday. I want to see the Memphis Belle now that they got the Memphis wiped off it.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:16:38 PM EDT
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I didn't know that they were back open after closing for covid.
I absolutely love that place. I have been several times. My 8 year old daughter loved the space hanger. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:23:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still want to go someday. I want to see the Memphis Belle now that they got the Memphis wiped off it. I grew up around aviation and love airplanes, but it's still overwhelmingly awesome. I would compare it to the British museum as an experience. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:37:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It pissed me off going to Mt. Vernon and Monticello. Both just monuments of how awful whites are. I told the guide woman at Mt. Vernon to get lost, I'd appreciate the place on my own. I had the same experience at Monticello during the obama years. I wondered if the propaganda was dropped during the past 4 years but never made it back to see. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:40:22 PM EDT
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I didn't even know there was an air force museum. Where are the other branch museums?
This thread makes me think we need a general "museum thread". I'm itching to travel this year. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:43:00 PM EDT
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Love that place
Wish I was retired and lived closer so I could volunteer there, I would love that |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:44:19 PM EDT
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Did they take you to the basement to see the Roswell UFO? Must see if you get a chance.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDouble tap/glitch in the matrix. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:55:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: I spent the day wandering around at Wright Patterson (technically the official museum of the airforce). I haven't been there since I was a little kid, back when you had to be bussed from the main museum to some dilapidated hangers on the base. It's way nicer now, and a very fun time. Having said that, there was a huge dose of propaganda ish stuff about women every 100ft or so. I don't have an issue with the relevant stuff like, Jackie Cochran, WACs in WW2, etc. It was randomly grafted onto stuff everywhere, as in here's a C5 Galaxy, we'll throw a display about the first C5 Galaxy all female crew to take an international flight. I'd guess that they literally went through and figured that every X feet they'd add something about women. And since this is a gun board, I am going to make fun of them for the having a sign on a WW1 German plane explaining it was armed with two 9mm Spandau machine guns. Pretty sure it's a display campaign. Didn't see it 2 weeks ago. I usually take the boy every few weeks. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:56:47 PM EDT
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On a somewhat unrelated note, I was surprised to see so many guns on display when I went to the NC museum of history. They even had a whole exhibit for the guy that helped develop the M1 Carbine
Plenty of wokeness in the other parts though |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 9:58:55 PM EDT
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It’s an amazing museum. We used to go every year before going to the Dayton air show. Haven’t been since they moved the presidential and experimental aircraft to the main building. From what I remember, the air force one on display was the one used to transport JFKs casket. They had to take a sawsall to the inside to make it fit.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:10:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't even know there was an air force museum. Where are the other branch museums? This thread makes me think we need a general "museum thread". I'm itching to travel this year. Just throwing out places I've been to that are cool: British Museum Wright-Pat Kublinka Tank Museum Chicago Museum of Science and Industry Smithsonian There are a lot of other good places, but in terms of places that will take a solid day or more, that's an OK list. I'd get a cheap flight to London and do British Museum for a day, maybe spend another day or too. I'm kinda ignoring Paris, which if your interests run more to art is awesome. Muse de l'Arme Plus Catacombs is a good day. ETA: totally cool with turning this into a museum thread, I'll change the title if that helps. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:13:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure it's a display campaign. Didn't see it 2 weeks ago. I usually take the boy every few weeks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I spent the day wandering around at Wright Patterson (technically the official museum of the airforce). I haven't been there since I was a little kid, back when you had to be bussed from the main museum to some dilapidated hangers on the base. It's way nicer now, and a very fun time. Having said that, there was a huge dose of propaganda ish stuff about women every 100ft or so. I don't have an issue with the relevant stuff like, Jackie Cochran, WACs in WW2, etc. It was randomly grafted onto stuff everywhere, as in here's a C5 Galaxy, we'll throw a display about the first C5 Galaxy all female crew to take an international flight. I'd guess that they literally went through and figured that every X feet they'd add something about women. And since this is a gun board, I am going to make fun of them for the having a sign on a WW1 German plane explaining it was armed with two 9mm Spandau machine guns. Pretty sure it's a display campaign. Didn't see it 2 weeks ago. I usually take the boy every few weeks. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:15:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost half the ads on tv now feature black people. Half? More like 90%. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to work for a museum (very fortunately now retired!) They are all woke, now. But it isn't just museums. It's everywhere, especially on tv. Almost half the ads on tv now feature black people. I have nothing against black people! But to watch the ads, you would think the US is 40% black instead of 13%. And I have counted eight ads that show a white male with a black wife, like that is some sort of "thing". I'm pretty sure it's not. (and I do not give a rats ass who marries whom!) |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:49:27 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Love that place Wish I was retired and lived closer so I could volunteer there, I would love that I looked like a bag of shit (backstory on that is in Team) but he went out of his way to say hi. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:53:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be their way of getting more women into the museum, my wife would be bored to death looking at planes Strange; I find planes fascinating, and not because they were made & flown by penises. Should art museums have a mandatory sexy nude female painting every X feet to maintain male interest? Yes. 
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a number of women taking their kids around, and the ones I overheard were doing a really good job. So you might be right. This is just a perception, but for whatever reason there was less of it in the Vietnam gallery compared to the rest. They have a neat missile silo thing now and the control room has an all female group of mannequins. Some how I kinda doubt most missile control crews were female in the LGM-30 Minuteman I era. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Could be their way of getting more women into the museum, my wife would be bored to death looking at planes I saw a number of women taking their kids around, and the ones I overheard were doing a really good job. So you might be right. This is just a perception, but for whatever reason there was less of it in the Vietnam gallery compared to the rest. They have a neat missile silo thing now and the control room has an all female group of mannequins. Some how I kinda doubt most missile control crews were female in the LGM-30 Minuteman I era. The innocent & obvious answer is probably that these orgs are dominated by female staff. It of course leads to less innocent bias and outright revision of history, but it may all stem from all decisions about exhibits & marketing being decided by women. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:57:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Army used to have armor at Ft. Knox that was pretty cool to see. I know they moved it to GA to the national infantry museum, but I haven't been there. Just throwing out places I've been to that are cool: British Museum Wright-Pat Kublinka Tank Museum Chicago Museum of Science and Industry Smithsonian There are a lot of other good places, but in terms of places that will take a solid day or more, that's an OK list. I'd get a cheap flight to London and do British Museum for a day, maybe spend another day or too. I'm kinda ignoring Paris, which if your interests run more to art is awesome. Muse de l'Arme Plus Catacombs is a good day. ETA: totally cool with turning this into a museum thread, I'll change the title if that helps. Me and the wife went to both the Museum de Armee and the catacombs in Paris 2 years ago. Both were really cool to see. Napoleans tomb in the lower level of the museum was massive. And the arms and armor room was awesome. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:57:20 PM EDT
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I have been going there annually for over 30 yrs. It's a cathedral to aviation; in the top 3 of aviation museums in the world. If you came away from your visit there worried about SJW stuff that place isn't for you.
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:59:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The military has been aping corporate culture for decades now. So like modern American corporations, they've strayed from worrying about their primary missions (for instance, making a profit) and have focused on being woke. And that shit can continue open loop right up to the point were you get into a conflict with a serious adversary. Then we'll see to what extent wokeness has overtaken military effectiveness. But who would ever hate a people so woke, as to declare war on them?
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We visited last year, hell of a museum, don’t recall much wokeness. I could have spent the whole day in the WW2 exhibit. They also had a nice temporary exhibit honoring Military working dogs. Pre Covid, one could walk through the retired Air Force one and other presidential jets. I think they’ve closed that off for now. #MeToo |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:08:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Liberty Bell in Philly is the same. Shit about slavery and contributions of slaves everywhere. Just brutal... This. It’s almost like they left out everything that had to do with independence. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:14:08 PM EDT
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If you're south or you've seen Wright-Patt, there are other great museums.
Museum of Aviation at Robins AFB is the Air Force's 2nd largest museum Also, I can highly recommend the National Naval Aviation Museum at Pensacola Naval Air Station. Both of these are free like the museum at Wright Patt and the Smithsonian museums. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:17:34 PM EDT
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I went there last summer. My daughter knew I worked on
B-52’s. She got to see the size in person There is a section of the Berlin Wall there. I used that as a teachable moment. I told her that Socialism/ Communism was do great that they didn’t build walls to keep people out. They were built to keep people in |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:19:58 PM EDT
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This is a travesty!
Why were there no exhibits concerning the vital contributions of high-viscosity gender-fluid pan-asexuals? |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:36:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been going there annually for over 30 yrs. It's a cathedral to aviation; in the top 3 of aviation museums in the world. If you came away from your visit there worried about SJW stuff that place isn't for you. Yes, I thought the SJW stuff was weird. It's not a big deal. ETA: I'm equally annoyed that although there are lots of exhibits and planes involving low level B-25/A-20/A-26 they never give pappy Gunn any credit. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 11:50:34 PM EDT
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Imagine if they did the same thing with contributions "men" made...
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:22:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Me and the wife went to both the Museum de Armee and the catacombs in Paris 2 years ago. Both were really cool to see. Napoleans tomb in the lower level of the museum was massive. And the arms and armor room was awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Army used to have armor at Ft. Knox that was pretty cool to see. I know they moved it to GA to the national infantry museum, but I haven't been there. Just throwing out places I've been to that are cool: British Museum Wright-Pat Kublinka Tank Museum Chicago Museum of Science and Industry Smithsonian There are a lot of other good places, but in terms of places that will take a solid day or more, that's an OK list. I'd get a cheap flight to London and do British Museum for a day, maybe spend another day or too. I'm kinda ignoring Paris, which if your interests run more to art is awesome. Muse de l'Arme Plus Catacombs is a good day. ETA: totally cool with turning this into a museum thread, I'll change the title if that helps. Me and the wife went to both the Museum de Armee and the catacombs in Paris 2 years ago. Both were really cool to see. Napoleans tomb in the lower level of the museum was massive. And the arms and armor room was awesome. That's not how, in general, parisians will treat you. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:59:25 AM EDT
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The Commies took over the schools, the universities, the civil service, the news media, Hollywood, and now they are taking over the military too.
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