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Posted: 1/25/2021 9:55:36 AM EDT
1959 Pre-production F4H1 Phantom for sale. Only 461 hrs on it. Completely overhauled to zero hours.
Gorgeous.  GROUP BUY! |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 9:57:41 AM EDT
[#1]
Only 80-85% overhauled. Power plants not overhauled. No deal.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:01:28 AM EDT
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It seems like a very bad idea to have inert ordnance painted as if it were HE.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:05:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems like a very bad idea to have inert ordnance painted as if it were HE. Well if you think so, buy it and get out the light blue spray paint. Actually most museums paint their inert ordnance as live ordnance for display, some put the word "inert" on it somewhere. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:09:12 AM EDT
[#4]
Tom Cruise will buy it.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:09:50 AM EDT
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I'd imagine you would need a full time A&P with a machne shop to keep that bird in the air.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:11:32 AM EDT
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Will they take a check?
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems like a very bad idea to have inert ordnance painted as if it were HE. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:13:14 AM EDT
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Purchase price is likely peanuts compared to the hourly cost to operate this thing.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:17:17 AM EDT
[#9]
Been for sale for a while I think. Remember seeing it posted on here a year or two ago.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:20:06 AM EDT
[#10]
I think around $10,000/hour to operate
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:20:30 AM EDT
[#11]
I sat next to the owner of the jet and had a few beers while he told me about it.... this was probably 5 to 7 years ago.
He has a small museum and runs https://wingsandrotorsacademy.com/ |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:21:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Purchase price is likely peanuts compared to the hourly cost to operate this thing. Yeah most warbirds are like that unfortunately. Some other guy has a mig29 for sale for like 4 mil. Even something cheap like an l39 is still pretty expensive to run fuel wise. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:23:38 AM EDT
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Meh. If they're selling a MiG-21 I'd be interested.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:28:34 AM EDT
[#14]
american boner gif
was that banned? hard (heh heh) to tell some times |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:32:26 AM EDT
[#15]
Wow, if money were no object. It looks so well-maintained.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:35:44 AM EDT
[#16]
Same place is apparently selling A-4s for $5m and a XP-82 for $12m. And a Wildcat.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:38:46 AM EDT
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I used to pack the parachutes for those. Whichever of you guys that buys it, let me know when you need repacks.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:40:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think around $10,000/hour to operate A friend has a Fairey Firefly. He told me about 11 years ago that it cost him $5,000/hour to operate it. 10 grand to operate an F-4 seems a bit low. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:43:28 AM EDT
[#19]
I though the Collings Foundation has an airworthy F4?
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:45:17 AM EDT
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Only 3.2 Million... I figured it would be more than that. Lighting those after burners would be well worth the price of admission.
I am sure one of you guys will get your supermodel wife to buy it for you. I'll bring beer... |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:45:33 AM EDT
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I've got a fuel control for that J-79. Wonder if they would want to buy it.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:49:10 AM EDT
[#22]
Heck yeah!
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:49:38 AM EDT
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One is gonna need Bill Gates type money to fly that thing.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:50:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd imagine you would need a full time A&P with a machne shop to keep that bird in the air. I'd just put it in the driveway, get drunk and make pewpew and beep boop sounds while I pulled the trigger and flipped switches |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:51:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:56:48 AM EDT
[#26]
If your can't afford to buy it you can't afford to fly it. If I were ever a billionaire I wouldn't be for long.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:59:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same place is apparently selling A-4s for $5m and a XP-82 for $12m. And a Wildcat. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:04:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I though the Collings Foundation has an airworthy F4? They do, and you can get a one hour flight in one for only $15,000. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:05:34 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One is gonna need Bill Gates type money to fly that thing. Hell.......forget flying it. Design a room around it. It is a piece of art! |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:06:25 AM EDT
[#30]
Damn, they have a ton of cool shit for sale!
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:10:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. If they're selling a MiG-21 I'd be interested. A person I know, an ex-USN pilot, did that. It came "some assembly required" from the Czechs. As he started putting it together, he realized that he was neither brave nor stupid enough to fly the MiG-21. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:10:41 AM EDT
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Can ARFCOM Island put in a runway?!
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:10:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Man if I had won the lotto this week I’d buy this. It has a amazing story attached to it.
P51 for sale |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:13:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A person I know, an ex-USN pilot, did that. It came "some assembly required" from the Czechs. As he started putting it together, he realized that he was neither brave nor stupid enough to fly the MiG-21. 
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:14:46 AM EDT
[#35]
The only current privately owned airworthy Phantom is the one owned by the Collings foundation and they can hardly fly it due to the operating expenses. It'll make an airshow appearance every now and then.
Someone with some major money would be the only one who could afford to buy and maintain that aircraft. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:15:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Man if I had won the lotto this week I’d buy this. It has a amazing story attached to it. P51 for sale I clicked on the same story! Fascinating. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:16:26 AM EDT
[#37]
Guys
Guys Guys .......guys.........lets group buy this and then the MIG-29 then we can have international relations inverted..... |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:27:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd imagine you would need a full time A&P with a machne shop to keep that bird in the air. Uhhh, THIS. You'd need $50 - $60 thousand dollars to refurb that airplane for every hour you decided you wanted to fly it anywhere. 3 hour flight to Milwaukee? Break out your checkbook. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:30:26 AM EDT
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One of my favorite birds..............
"On 22nd April 1961, it carried a very impressive 22 Mk83 500lb bombs on various hardpoints under the aircraft and dropped them on a range at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. This demonstration was the deciding factor for the United States Air Force to also order the aircraft." |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:31:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uhhh, THIS. You'd need $50 - $60 thousand dollars to refurb that airplane for every hour you decided you wanted to fly it anywhere. 3 hour flight to Milwaukee? Break out your checkbook. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd imagine you would need a full time A&P with a machne shop to keep that bird in the air. Uhhh, THIS. You'd need $50 - $60 thousand dollars to refurb that airplane for every hour you decided you wanted to fly it anywhere. 3 hour flight to Milwaukee? Break out your checkbook. Because of the age or that's the nature of all fighter type aircraft? |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A friend has a Fairey Firefly. He told me about 11 years ago that it cost him $5,000/hour to operate it. 10 grand to operate an F-4 seems a bit low. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think around $10,000/hour to operate A friend has a Fairey Firefly. He told me about 11 years ago that it cost him $5,000/hour to operate it. 10 grand to operate an F-4 seems a bit low. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:34:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Only 461 hrs on it. Little old lady only drove it to church and coasted home |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:37:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because of the age or that's the nature of all fighter type aircraft? Every jet turbine powered airplane is like this - even light-duty stuff. Gas turbines are pricey to maintain; nature of the beast. That particular aircraft had an operating cost that was eye-watering to those blessed few who are inured from such trivialities, because they spend the taxpayer's dollars so profligately. Even they were not amused when it came down to paying the freight on the Phantom - although it gave pretty lengthy service until the 1980s, IIRC. I doubt the F-14s and F-15s were a nickle cheaper to operate, but offered much improved capabilities. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:41:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:49:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNone of that would be applicable to a civilian trying to maintain one today. Just finding parts and qualified facilities, would be a full time occupation. I’m not saying it couldn’t be done by an Elon or Zuckerberg, but the costs would be nearly incalculable. Closer to $50,000/hour than $10,000. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:53:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A person I know, an ex-USN pilot, did that. It came "some assembly required" from the Czechs. As he started putting it together, he realized that he was neither brave nor stupid enough to fly the MiG-21. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh. If they're selling a MiG-21 I'd be interested. A person I know, an ex-USN pilot, did that. It came "some assembly required" from the Czechs. As he started putting it together, he realized that he was neither brave nor stupid enough to fly the MiG-21. There was a Delta pilot who had one. Had the FAA hot on his trail for doing Top Gun stuff with it. Think he was killed in it too. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I though the Collings Foundation has an airworthy F4? They do, an F4D. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:21:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the balance here, between fuel and maint? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think around $10,000/hour to operate A friend has a Fairey Firefly. He told me about 11 years ago that it cost him $5,000/hour to operate it. 10 grand to operate an F-4 seems a bit low. 40 hours of his time for every flight hour. Here's a short video about it: Capt Eddie |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:25:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems like a very bad idea to have inert ordnance painted as if it were HE. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 12:30:08 PM EDT
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Oh how I wish I had that kind of cash just lying around... I know, I know... I'll go be poor somewhere else...
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