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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:29:59 AM EDT
Sounds like it happened about an hour ago.
Responding crews initially backed off since they were unsure of what was being transported. Looks like the collapse happened on the South side of the bridge, Tempe side, and fires have spread throughout the train. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/fire-breaks-out-after-train-derailment-bridge-collapse-over-tempe-town-lake Video from ~6:30am MST-  Bridge collapses over Tempe Town Lake after train derailment Edit- Google street view of the section that collapsed.  Attached FileAnd news footage of the same section-  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:31:49 AM EDT
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Tempe town lake.
Bridge goes over the salt river. Beautiful area. Or at least it was. Hope nobody got killed. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:32:34 AM EDT
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A couple years ago a a huge cargo train derailed here in Tucson aound Twin Peaks and I-10. Monsoon season, there was a flash flood loaded with so much debris it knocked that fucker right off the tracks. It was insane
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:33:36 AM EDT
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Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading!
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:39:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! Precision scheduled derailments? Does that mean Hunter Harrison isn't a national treasure? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:40:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! And they will find a way to blame it on the crew. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:41:23 AM EDT
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... that railroad bridge is 108 years old
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:42:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they will find a way to blame it on the crew. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! And they will find a way to blame it on the crew. Absolutely! It can't be the mismanagement caused by these asshole hedg funders they have installed as senior operating officers. It's the poor bastards in the field who don't have the maintenance budgets and manpower who are to blame! |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:48:48 AM EDT
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How the hell did that happen?
One bridge section mangled/down, tank car(s) on fire. 1000' gap on the bridge where there are no railcars but the tracks are on fire. And the fire working towards the detached group of cars on the bridge, one full of what looks like dimensional lumber that is sitting right ahead of several tanker cars full of God knows what. Deliberate action? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:49:58 AM EDT
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Damn, I used to live 150 yards from there.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:50:53 AM EDT
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Hope no body was in the porto-cans at the time.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:51:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope no body was in the porto-cans at the time. Sure cure for constipation! |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:52:12 AM EDT
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There were protests in that area quite recently as well....
https://www.azfamily.com/news/7-people-arrested-1-officer-hurt-during-clash-between-protesters-and-police-in-tempe/article_0a2cf712-d080-11ea-b06d-634862a713a1.html |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:52:16 AM EDT
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eta. Already covered.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:55:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell did that happen? One bridge section mangled/down, tank car(s) on fire. 1000' gap on the bridge where there are no railcars but the tracks are on fire. And the fire working towards the detached group of cars on the bridge, one full of what looks like dimensional lumber that is sitting right ahead of several tanker cars full of God knows what. Deliberate action? That's the first thing I thought of. Haven't there been some big protests/riots happening in Tempe lately? I mean, bigger than average? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 10:57:56 AM EDT
[#15]
Well this isn't a good thing
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:04:45 AM EDT
[#16]
That's going to be an expen$ive derailment!
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:08:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the first thing I thought of. Haven't there been some big protests/riots happening in Tempe lately? I mean, bigger than average? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How the hell did that happen? One bridge section mangled/down, tank car(s) on fire. 1000' gap on the bridge where there are no railcars but the tracks are on fire. And the fire working towards the detached group of cars on the bridge, one full of what looks like dimensional lumber that is sitting right ahead of several tanker cars full of God knows what. Deliberate action? That's the first thing I thought of. Haven't there been some big protests/riots happening in Tempe lately? I mean, bigger than average? Sadly, this was my first thought as well. A lot of protestors have been (around) that bridge. ETA fixed autocorrect error |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:12:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sadly, this was my first thought as well. A lot of protestors have been on that bridge. On the train tracks? There are four different bridges in ~1/4 mile. The train and lightrail are right next to each other. The actual pedestrian/vehicle bridges over on Mill ave. They are separated by Tempe Beach park. Overhead-  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:17:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On the train tracks? There are four different bridges in ~1/4 mile. The train and lightrail are right next to each other. The actual pedestrian/vehicle bridges over on Mill ave. They are separated by Tempe Beach park. Overhead- https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/68285/overhead_view_tempe_town_lake_JPG-1524402.JPG "On" is a typo that's my fault. I'm typing on my phone, it should have said around. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:21:01 AM EDT
[#20]
Domestic Terrorism?
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:21:01 AM EDT
[#21]
That doesn't look good.
Bridge collapses over Tempe Town Lake after train derailment |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:22:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryGood find on the video, gonna put it up in the OP. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:25:38 AM EDT
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DAMN! I live 2500 miles from there!
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:27:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... that railroad bridge is 108 years old Might be a factor, lol. Goodness what a mess, though. Looks like an oil tanker must have ruptured & leaked all the way down the bridge, or something. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:28:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistorySurprised they didn't try to get another locomotive out there and pull that tail end stuff back off the bridge (last cars are over land). Now the freight car full of lumber is fully involved, will likely spread to the tank cars behind it. Since it it is in the middle of the lake they have no way to fight it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:30:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might be a factor, lol. Goodness what a mess, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... that railroad bridge is 108 years old Might be a factor, lol. Goodness what a mess, though. I was thinking of what impact the lake has had over the last ~20 years, some of the land down there has been changed quite a bit. Plus what impact the lightrail has had being so close, with +10 years of use. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:30:53 AM EDT
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Looks like the bridge collapsed, that stopped the train, and cause the fire.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:31:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:36:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell did that happen? One bridge section mangled/down, tank car(s) on fire. 1000' gap on the bridge where there are no railcars but the tracks are on fire. And the fire working towards the detached group of cars on the bridge, one full of what looks like dimensional lumber that is sitting right ahead of several tanker cars full of God knows what. Deliberate action? |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:36:53 AM EDT
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There was a recent derailment on that bridge, a bit of rail flopped over due to rotted ties, had it not been a short local this may have been the result a month ago.
Maintenance on all things has suffered greatly ever since the UP has adopted PSR (Precision Scheduled Railroading). |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:42:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! We have been hearing that the ultimate goal is for the majority of trains to be 10,000 ft now. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:44:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have been hearing that the ultimate goal is for the majority of trains to be 10,000 ft now. I see 12,000, even 14,000 fairly regularly anymore. We have very few sidings that will acommodate them anymore........... |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:44:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they will find a way to blame it on Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! And they will find a way to blame it on |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:52:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a recent derailment on that bridge, a bit of rail flopped over due to rotted ties, had it not been a short local this may have been the result a month ago. Maintenance on all things has suffered greatly ever since the UP has adopted PSR (Precision Scheduled Railroading). Now they get to replace the whole bridge instead of a couple dozen rotten ties.  See how much money they saved. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 11:59:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now they get to replace the whole bridge instead of a couple dozen rotten ties. See how much money they saved. Every penny counts 
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:01:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now they get to replace the whole bridge instead of a couple dozen rotten ties. See how much money they saved. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was a recent derailment on that bridge, a bit of rail flopped over due to rotted ties, had it not been a short local this may have been the result a month ago. Maintenance on all things has suffered greatly ever since the UP has adopted PSR (Precision Scheduled Railroading). Now they get to replace the whole bridge instead of a couple dozen rotten ties. See how much money they saved. But now it's a disaster so Uncle Sugar will pay for it once Senator Stripper Boots works her money maker. Kharn |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:02:41 PM EDT
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A RR car carries somewhere close to 200K pounds of lumber on one car, that's a lot of burnable fuel.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:03:34 PM EDT
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Thats gonna do wonders for lumber prices.
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:03:44 PM EDT
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Awaiting @Boomer comment...
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:04:01 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And they will find a way to blame it on the crew. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! And they will find a way to blame it on the crew. Remind me again why I retired in 2019 (before I had to) from a RR run in the ground by PSR? MOW never takes responsibility for deferred maintenance that causes a derailment......train handling is always the cause. Hope they had trip optimizer (or whatever UP calls it) and/or PTC running the train for them. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:11:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But now it's a disaster so Uncle Sugar will pay for it once Senator Stripper Boots works her money maker. Kharn  |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:11:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DAMN! I live 2500 miles from there! Stay safe. I went through there 2 years ago. That was a close one. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:13:07 PM EDT
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Man.. I made a dupe thread.. I searched fire.. not train or bridge.
Well.. apparently this happened before.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:13:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But now it's a disaster so Uncle Sugar will pay for it once Senator Stripper Boots works her money maker. Kharn She's a real treat. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remind me again why I retired in 2019 (before I had to) from a RR run in the ground by PSR? MOW never takes responsibility for deferred maintenance that causes a derailment......train handling is always the cause. Hope they had trip optimizer (or whatever UP calls it) and/or PTC running the train for them. That bit is 20mph track, and no PTC there except to deliver a warrant, it's TWC/ABS territory. EMS ("Trip Optimizer" energy management system) may have been in use but not likely at that point in the trip. And the engineer is 100% GTG....but yes I know very well how the carrier will blame the crew for damn near everything. One odd thing about the little stretch is that there are two bridges like that to cross, one in BFE over a dry river bed, and the Tempe one, and not one high wide detector.... That Tempe bridge is great for getting flashed in the summer.... |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remind me again why I retired in 2019 (before I had to) from a RR run in the ground by PSR? MOW never takes responsibility for deferred maintenance that causes a derailment......train handling is always the cause. Hope they had trip optimizer (or whatever UP calls it) and/or PTC running the train for them. If T/O was available, then I hope the engineer had it engaged...for his sake. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:27:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DAMN! I live 2500 miles from there! 2186.1 from there. Maybe go for a drive this aft to check it out since I'm much closer than you are. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:28:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That bit is 20mph track, and no PTC there except to deliver a warrant, it's TWC/ABS territory. EMS ("Trip Optimizer" energy management system) may have been in use but not likely at that point in the trip. And the engineer is 100% GTG....but yes I know very well how the carrier will blame the crew for damn near everything. One odd thing about the little stretch is that there are two bridges like that to cross, one in BFE over a dry river bed, and the Tempe one, and not one high wide detector.... That Tempe bridge is great for getting flashed in the summer.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remind me again why I retired in 2019 (before I had to) from a RR run in the ground by PSR? MOW never takes responsibility for deferred maintenance that causes a derailment......train handling is always the cause. Hope they had trip optimizer (or whatever UP calls it) and/or PTC running the train for them. That bit is 20mph track, and no PTC there except to deliver a warrant, it's TWC/ABS territory. EMS ("Trip Optimizer" energy management system) may have been in use but not likely at that point in the trip. And the engineer is 100% GTG....but yes I know very well how the carrier will blame the crew for damn near everything. One odd thing about the little stretch is that there are two bridges like that to cross, one in BFE over a dry river bed, and the Tempe one, and not one high wide detector.... That Tempe bridge is great for getting flashed in the summer.... |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:34:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have been hearing that the ultimate goal is for the majority of trains to be 10,000 ft now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spending more money on heavier and longer trains, less on maintenance and infrastructure. That's the new way of railroading! We have been hearing that the ultimate goal is for the majority of trains to be 10,000 ft now. Definitely pushing the intermodal guys to 10k trains, the buzzword measurement of the day is UPT (Units per train) though. |
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Posted: 7/29/2020 12:47:19 PM EDT
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So question for you railroaders. Say you have one of these super long ass trains. Your in the lead locomotive. Something happens to a car back say at toward the rear of train. How the heck do you know that say....a car derails etc...alarms etc? I know this may sound dumb....just curious...
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