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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:53:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:54:44 PM EDT
[#1]
#1 rule of snakebite, don't get bitten.
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:55:31 PM EDT
[#2]
What did you get bit by?
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:56:38 PM EDT
[#3]
two different prices for the same thing? why?
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:56:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Seems cheap versus dying.
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:56:47 PM EDT
[#5]
Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet?
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:56:48 PM EDT
[#6]
I would just go ahead and die. Screw that.
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:57:13 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: two different prices for the same thing? why? Because Medical billing in the US is a fucking scam. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:57:38 PM EDT
[#8]
Jeez just let me die...
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:57:38 PM EDT
[#9]
probably should get snake bite supplemental insurance
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:58:15 PM EDT
[#10]
WTF bit you?
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:58:26 PM EDT
[#11]
Supply and demand, and there's never a massive supply of anti-venom. Thank goodness there's enough profit in it that people keep doing it, which kept whomever needed it, alive.
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: two different prices for the same thing? why? Additional vials? |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:59:55 PM EDT
[#13]
How many vials of antivenom is that? 20?
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:01:32 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet? Then they can back charge the patient for the balance. Time to get a bankruptcy attorney OP. 
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:01:42 PM EDT
[#15]
Can I pay that of at $100 per month forever?
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:03:21 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then they can back charge the patient for the balance. Time to get a bankruptcy attorney OP. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet? Then they can back charge the patient for the balance. Time to get a bankruptcy attorney OP. Depends on the insurance. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:03:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I pay that of at $100 per month forever? Just send them $5 a month and call it good. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:03:53 PM EDT
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OP, I live very close to Reston Hospital. Could we get some more info on what happened? What kind of snake? Where was the victim when bitten?
I hope the victim has made a full recovery. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:05:12 PM EDT
[#19]
Questions OP.
What were you bitten by? I see that they treated you with CroFab. How many vials did it take? |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:06:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Questions OP. What were you bitten by? I see that they treated you with CroFab. How many vials did it take? You own and handle venomous snakes correct? |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:07:21 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You own and handle venomous snakes correct? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Questions OP. What were you bitten by? I see that they treated you with CroFab. How many vials did it take? You own and handle venomous snakes correct? Correct. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many vials of antivenom is that? 20? This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it.  Attached FileWider view  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:09:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because Medical billing in the US is a fucking scam. This |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:10:30 PM EDT
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She is fine now.
Was pretty much fine the very next day except for some swelling and discoloration. Took about two weeks for the hand to look 100% normal. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She is fine now. Was pretty much fine the very next day except for some swelling and discoloration. Took about two weeks for the hand to look 100% normal. Glad to hear she is doing well. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet? +1 The write downs sound insane, but they get medicine to what it actually should cost. Kharn |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:12:03 PM EDT
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Cro-Fab is a "universal" antivenin that covers mutiple possible North American vipers.
Clinically, the chances are it was a copperhead, as they are widely prevalent in the suburban wooded areas of northern Virginia. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:12:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_2_jpg-1502751.JPG Wider view https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_jpg-1502754.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many vials of antivenom is that? 20? This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_2_jpg-1502751.JPG Wider view https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_jpg-1502754.JPG Wow im glad shes okay. Luckily she only got one fang and not both. Hopefully the bite doesnt cause any long term effects and heals up back to 100%. Thanks for sharing |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:12:13 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_2_jpg-1502751.JPG Wider view https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_jpg-1502754.JPG Isn't antivenin species-specific? If you never saw the snake, how did they know what to give? |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:14:21 PM EDT
[#30]
so how much did you actually pay?
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:14:31 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What did you get bit by? A pit viper. One native to Virginia, more than likely. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:14:48 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What did you get bit by? Jumped to conclusion. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:15:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cro-Fab is a "universal" antivenin that covers mutiple possible North American vipers. Clinically, the chances are it was a copperhead, as they are widely prevalent in the suburban wooded areas of northern Virginia. Correct, CroFab is used to treat any and all North American pit viper envenomations. However, as of a year or so ago, Anavip is also available as an alternative to CroFab. It is cheaper, less of it is needed, and it has fewer side effects. I agree, it was probably a small copperhead. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:16:00 PM EDT
[#34]
OP
Keep an eye on that area over the week or so & places near it that could shelter a small copperhead. It may show up again. Around here if you find one small copperhead you find several others in short time. Glad she will be ok. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:16:29 PM EDT
[#35]
I treated a snakebite in the ER about 15 years ago. I ended up ordering 6 vials of Cro-Fab. At the time, it was $3,000/vial. It's obviously gone up a lot.
As we were in a very rural county with two hospitals, 35 miles apart, each hospital had 3 vials. I ordered our 3 vials for the guy and called the county EMS dispatcher. They had a deputy courier the other three vials for the 35 mile drive. It wasn't emergent, but when he found it was snake-bite anti-venin, he took it upon himself to get it there with speed. 17 minutes later, he arrived with Cro-Fab, and looking very pleased with himself too. The patient did fine. Admitted him overnight for observation and then he went home. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:16:54 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Cro-Fab is a "universal" antivenin that covers mutiple possible North American vipers. Clinically, the chances are it was a copperhead, as they are widely prevalent in the suburban wooded areas of northern Virginia. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:16:57 PM EDT
[#37]
Since I bought bison hide 17” snake bite protection boots, don’t handle snakes or drink much I’ve virtually eliminated my chances of being bitten.
But you never know! I shoot cotton mouths on sight 
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:17:11 PM EDT
[#38]
They gave anti venom with knowing what snake bit her??
When I was bitten they refused to order antivenom without VISUAL confirmation of what snake had bitten me. I saw that it was a copperhead and my lil brother obliterated it with a 12ga. The hospital staff wanted to see it to confirm lol They told me that I was better off not doing the antivenom as it would likely have worse side effects than just dealing with the bite. WORST pain I've ever experienced. Lost part of my left index finger. They discussed amputation of my finger and I was very close to a fasciotomy on my arm. Definitely do not recommend the experience. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:19:15 PM EDT
[#39]
Speaking of... I snapped this photo a couple weeks ago right at the start of a ruck.
It made the walk... uneasy.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:19:51 PM EDT
[#40]
Did they wait for the anti-venom or just go right to it.
I have always understood anti-venom to have its own potential issues that may not be worth it as often bites are more mild than people imagine. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:20:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: so how much did you actually pay? We aint paid shit yet. I have no idea how this will shake out. She has Medicare and federal Blue Cross insurance. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:21:35 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on the insurance. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet? Then they can back charge the patient for the balance. Time to get a bankruptcy attorney OP. Depends on the insurance. Did OP sign that paper regarding payment responsibilities? My dad was in a nursing home and penniless so his SS and the government paid for his medical care (Medicare and Medicaid). Whenever he was taken to the hospital or went to a new home they would ask me to sign documents as his son to allow care and some other things. "Nope, my father is of sound mind and make his own decisions regarding his care." I would never sign anything. But Sir, we need someone on file for financial responsibility. Don't you want your dad to get care? Nope, and I'm quite confident that he will get care. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:22:59 PM EDT
[#43]
I live north of any of the venomous snakes in West-BY-GOD-Virginia.
The only thing that gives me pause in the woods is snakes. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:23:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of... I snapped this photo a couple weeks ago right at the start of a ruck. It made the walk... uneasy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/188814/IMG_9194_JPG-1502777.JPG She looks sad and cold, I think she just needs a hug. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:23:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was bitten they refused to order antivenom without VISUAL confirmation... They told me that I was better off not doing the antivenom as it would likely have worse side effects than just dealing with the bite. I think the current Cro-Fab is sheep-based. I think the older version was cow-based, and was known to have serious and significant side-effect reactions. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:24:22 PM EDT
[#46]
I guess if i get bit i will either die or be broke
Killed a copperhead in the driveway 2 weeks agi |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:25:01 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: #1 rule of snakebite, don't get bitten. FPNI |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:25:15 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did OP sign that paper regarding payment responsibilities? I didn't sign shit. They wouldn't even allow me to enter the hospital. They said they would let me in only if she was on the verge of death. |
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:26:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Crazy thing is some of the 3rd world countries have more effective antivenom and if I remember correctly it’s about $60/vial. I’ve heard treatment usually runs a few hundred bucks. There’s a higher risk of serum sickness, but I’d take that over bankruptcy and losing everything. When I kept snakes, I thought about going through the process to import it in case I ever did get bit, even by our native stuff. The importation process was pretty daunting though.
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:27:56 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of... I snapped this photo a couple weeks ago right at the start of a ruck. It made the walk... uneasy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/188814/IMG_9194_JPG-1502777.JPG |
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