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Posted: 7/13/2020 7:53:07 PM EDT
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Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet?
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Supply and demand, and there's never a massive supply of anti-venom. Thank goodness there's enough profit in it that people keep doing it, which kept whomever needed it, alive.
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Quoted: Then they can back charge the patient for the balance. Time to get a bankruptcy attorney OP. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet? Then they can back charge the patient for the balance. Time to get a bankruptcy attorney OP. Depends on the insurance. |
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OP, I live very close to Reston Hospital. Could we get some more info on what happened? What kind of snake? Where was the victim when bitten?
I hope the victim has made a full recovery. |
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Questions OP.
What were you bitten by? I see that they treated you with CroFab. How many vials did it take? |
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Quoted: How many vials of antivenom is that? 20? View Quote This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it. Attached File Wider view Attached File |
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She is fine now.
Was pretty much fine the very next day except for some swelling and discoloration. Took about two weeks for the hand to look 100% normal. |
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Cro-Fab is a "universal" antivenin that covers mutiple possible North American vipers.
Clinically, the chances are it was a copperhead, as they are widely prevalent in the suburban wooded areas of northern Virginia. |
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Quoted: This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_2_jpg-1502751.JPG Wider view https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_jpg-1502754.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How many vials of antivenom is that? 20? This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_2_jpg-1502751.JPG Wider view https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_jpg-1502754.JPG Wow im glad shes okay. Luckily she only got one fang and not both. Hopefully the bite doesnt cause any long term effects and heals up back to 100%. Thanks for sharing |
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Quoted: This is my wife's "Medicare Summary Notice." I think she got several vials. She isn't sure of the quantity. Never saw the snake. She was "pulling weeds" in the front yard at dusk, and stuck her hand into prime snake habitat. One deep puncture wound to the index finger on her right hand. Pics about 45 minutes after the event. Entry wound is that teeny-tiny little brownish-red dot to the right of the nail bed. Bled a could drops of bright red blood when I examined it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_2_jpg-1502751.JPG Wider view https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/105614/snakebite_hand_jpg-1502754.JPG View Quote Isn't antivenin species-specific? If you never saw the snake, how did they know what to give? |
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Quoted: Cro-Fab is a "universal" antivenin that covers mutiple possible North American vipers. Clinically, the chances are it was a copperhead, as they are widely prevalent in the suburban wooded areas of northern Virginia. View Quote Correct, CroFab is used to treat any and all North American pit viper envenomations. However, as of a year or so ago, Anavip is also available as an alternative to CroFab. It is cheaper, less of it is needed, and it has fewer side effects. I agree, it was probably a small copperhead. |
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OP
Keep an eye on that area over the week or so & places near it that could shelter a small copperhead. It may show up again. Around here if you find one small copperhead you find several others in short time. Glad she will be ok. |
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I treated a snakebite in the ER about 15 years ago. I ended up ordering 6 vials of Cro-Fab. At the time, it was $3,000/vial. It's obviously gone up a lot.
As we were in a very rural county with two hospitals, 35 miles apart, each hospital had 3 vials. I ordered our 3 vials for the guy and called the county EMS dispatcher. They had a deputy courier the other three vials for the 35 mile drive. It wasn't emergent, but when he found it was snake-bite anti-venin, he took it upon himself to get it there with speed. 17 minutes later, he arrived with Cro-Fab, and looking very pleased with himself too. The patient did fine. Admitted him overnight for observation and then he went home. |
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Quoted: Cro-Fab is a "universal" antivenin that covers mutiple possible North American vipers. Clinically, the chances are it was a copperhead, as they are widely prevalent in the suburban wooded areas of northern Virginia. View Quote |
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Since I bought bison hide 17” snake bite protection boots, don’t handle snakes or drink much I’ve virtually eliminated my chances of being bitten.
But you never know! I shoot cotton mouths on sight |
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They gave anti venom with knowing what snake bit her??
When I was bitten they refused to order antivenom without VISUAL confirmation of what snake had bitten me. I saw that it was a copperhead and my lil brother obliterated it with a 12ga. The hospital staff wanted to see it to confirm lol They told me that I was better off not doing the antivenom as it would likely have worse side effects than just dealing with the bite. WORST pain I've ever experienced. Lost part of my left index finger. They discussed amputation of my finger and I was very close to a fasciotomy on my arm. Definitely do not recommend the experience. |
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Speaking of... I snapped this photo a couple weeks ago right at the start of a ruck.
It made the walk... uneasy. Attached File |
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Did they wait for the anti-venom or just go right to it.
I have always understood anti-venom to have its own potential issues that may not be worth it as often bites are more mild than people imagine. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Has the insurance told them to take $5000 and shut the fuck up, yet? Then they can back charge the patient for the balance. Time to get a bankruptcy attorney OP. Depends on the insurance. Did OP sign that paper regarding payment responsibilities? My dad was in a nursing home and penniless so his SS and the government paid for his medical care (Medicare and Medicaid). Whenever he was taken to the hospital or went to a new home they would ask me to sign documents as his son to allow care and some other things. "Nope, my father is of sound mind and make his own decisions regarding his care." I would never sign anything. But Sir, we need someone on file for financial responsibility. Don't you want your dad to get care? Nope, and I'm quite confident that he will get care. |
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I live north of any of the venomous snakes in West-BY-GOD-Virginia.
The only thing that gives me pause in the woods is snakes. |
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Quoted: Speaking of... I snapped this photo a couple weeks ago right at the start of a ruck. It made the walk... uneasy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/188814/IMG_9194_JPG-1502777.JPG View Quote She looks sad and cold, I think she just needs a hug. |
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Quoted: When I was bitten they refused to order antivenom without VISUAL confirmation... They told me that I was better off not doing the antivenom as it would likely have worse side effects than just dealing with the bite. View Quote I think the current Cro-Fab is sheep-based. I think the older version was cow-based, and was known to have serious and significant side-effect reactions. |
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I guess if i get bit i will either die or be broke
Killed a copperhead in the driveway 2 weeks agi |
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Crazy thing is some of the 3rd world countries have more effective antivenom and if I remember correctly it’s about $60/vial. I’ve heard treatment usually runs a few hundred bucks. There’s a higher risk of serum sickness, but I’d take that over bankruptcy and losing everything. When I kept snakes, I thought about going through the process to import it in case I ever did get bit, even by our native stuff. The importation process was pretty daunting though.
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Quoted: Speaking of... I snapped this photo a couple weeks ago right at the start of a ruck. It made the walk... uneasy. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/188814/IMG_9194_JPG-1502777.JPG View Quote |
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