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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:53:57 AM EDT
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I foresee an "answered" and locked or "waste of site resources" and locked in the future.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:55:51 AM EDT
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I foresee an "answered" and locked or "waste of site resources" and locked in the future. So what’s the fall back position? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:57:42 AM EDT
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What's peaceful about getting your head bashed in by the Police of Authorization governments because you decided to get uppity by protesting Gun Control?
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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:58:04 AM EDT
[#4]
Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ?
Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:59:42 AM EDT
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I foresee an "answered" and locked or "waste of site resources" and locked in the future. 
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Posted: 10/16/2019 7:59:57 AM EDT
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I foresee an "answered" and locked or "waste of site resources" and locked in the future. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:01:05 AM EDT
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IBTL
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:01:44 AM EDT
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Then it would effectively answers his question. And I just renewed |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:02:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:03:27 AM EDT
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This is an important question the site staff need to answer imo.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:03:44 AM EDT
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Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ? Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:04:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:04:54 AM EDT
[#13]
Everything is a COC violation
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:07:29 AM EDT
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????
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:10:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:10:27 AM EDT
[#16]
Evidently it already is to certain "good people" and that was over magazines.
I can see this playing out.....State X has passed a law requiring the registration of all semi-auto weapons and the destruction of mags over 10 rounds.....The grace period passes and members from State X are commenting about how they did not comply....They are now "law-breakers" and are discussing a "illegal" activity that clearly flys in the face of 2A. What would "good people" do? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:10:44 AM EDT
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Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ? Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? Understand that the founding fathers wrote our Constitution in plain language. They did that so the average man could read and understand what it means. They also left us a shit ton of supporting information in the form of correspondence, leaflets, diaries and publications like the Federalist Papers. You don’t need a legal degree to decipher the Constitution. Anyone can read it, look at rulings and see where the Supreme Court was wrong. Don’t put your faith in judges. They won’t save us. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:11:42 AM EDT
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Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ? Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? Are your rights granted by .gov? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:12:38 AM EDT
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Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ? Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:13:11 AM EDT
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Evidently it already is to certain "good people" and that was over magazines.
I can see this playing out.....State X has passed a law requiring the registration of all semi-auto weapons and the destruction of mags over 10 rounds.....The grace period passes and members from State X are commenting about how they did not comply....They are now "law-breakers" and are discussing a "illegal" activity that clearly flys in the face of 2A. What would "good people" do? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:13:11 AM EDT
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Tagscribed. Arfcom has been my internet "Home" for over a decade. I can't even begin to count the number of amazing folks I've met and I don't dare tally up all the money I've spent thanks to this place. But I do feel that we are fast approaching a crossroads. This is the time for staff to come out and say either they are prepared to go all the way and resist or to say "Welcome our new Brownells Overloards, any discussion about anything that could possibly offend anyone anywhere will be crushed".
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:13:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have to wait for the Supreme Court to rule on every piece of anti-gun legislation before we organize peaceful non-compliance protests then we have already lost. USSC can’t just pick laws out of thin air for judicial review. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:15:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that happens I’ll be leaving the site. A insignificant gesture? Perhaps. But a clear sign that dissent, even within the CoC is not tolerated. So what’s the fall back position? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:15:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have to wait for the Supreme Court to rule on every piece of anti-gun legislation before we organize peaceful non-compliance protests then we have already lost. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:16:31 AM EDT
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Tagscribed. Arfcom has been my internet "Home" for over a decade. I can't even begin to count the number of amazing folks I've met and I don't dare tally up all the money I've spent thanks to this place. But I do feel that we are fast approaching a crossroads. This is the time for staff to come out and say either they are prepared to go all the way and resist or to say "Welcome our new Brownells Overloards, any discussion about anything that could possibly offend anyone anywhere will be crushed". |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:16:55 AM EDT
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Martin Luther King Jr. would have been banned for his encouragement to break the law.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:17:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we have to wait for the Supreme Court to rule on every piece of anti-gun legislation before we organize peaceful non-compliance protests then we have already lost. The world doesn’t come to an end, you don’t get arrested, and you make your point without having to threaten anyone. I’ve done it at state events, even taking an AR and handgun into the state Capitol building and House of Representatives while they were in session. Americans have forgotten how to be American. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:18:11 AM EDT
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If we have to wait for the Supreme Court to rule on every piece of anti-gun legislation before we organize peaceful non-compliance protests then we have already lost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ? Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:22:12 AM EDT
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. What would "good people" do? It is known....... |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:23:16 AM EDT
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Evidently it already is to certain "good people" and that was over magazines.
I can see this playing out.....State X has passed a law requiring the registration of all semi-auto weapons and the destruction of mags over 10 rounds.....The grace period passes and members from State X are commenting about how they did not comply....They are now "law-breakers" and are discussing a "illegal" activity that clearly flys in the face of 2A. What would "good people" do? I am pretty sure if I promote MJ use here in ARFCOM I will get a ban, even though it's legal for med use in my state and soon for anyone. Going to be tough for them to keep track of all the gun laws me thinks. Mods will be dividing by zero soon. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:25:19 AM EDT
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Everyone should decide if a law is unconstitutional and act accordingly. The executive and legislative branches outsourcing all thoughts of whether an action is unconstitutional has been incredibly detrimental to our republic. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:26:29 AM EDT
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Yep.
And it’ll be enforced. Routinely. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:27:49 AM EDT
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Whose definition of "unconstitutional" ? Some guys on a gun forum, or the Supreme Courts ?? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:28:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Supreme Court isn’t infallible. They’ve fucked up a lot, and even occasionally admit it. They can issue a legal ruling. That’s it. Just because 5 judges say something doesn’t mean it’s settled. If they found a law like banning all semi automatics to be Constitutional does that magically make it moral and in line with the intent of our founders? No. It’s simply the opinion of a few fallible individuals. Understand that the founding fathers wrote our Constitution in plain language. They did that so the average man could read and understand what it means. They also left us a shit ton of supporting information in the form of correspondence, leaflets, diaries and publications like the Federalist Papers. You don’t need a legal degree to decipher the Constitution. Anyone can read it, look at rulings and see where the Supreme Court was wrong. Don’t put your faith in judges. They won’t save us. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:29:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Supreme Court isn’t infallible. They’ve fucked up a lot, and even occasionally admit it. They can issue a legal ruling. That’s it. Just because 5 judges say something doesn’t mean it’s settled. If they found a law like banning all semi automatics to be Constitutional does that magically make it moral and in line with the intent of our founders? No. It’s simply the opinion of a few fallible individuals. Understand that the founding fathers wrote our Constitution in plain language. They did that so the average man could read and understand what it means. They also left us a shit ton of supporting information in the form of correspondence, leaflets, diaries and publications like the Federalist Papers. You don’t need a legal degree to decipher the Constitution. Anyone can read it, look at rulings and see where the Supreme Court was wrong. Don’t put your faith in judges. They won’t save us. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:29:40 AM EDT
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We elected to partner with Pete and Frank Brownell because we’ve known them personally for years to be real advocates for both our First and Second Amendment rights. They see the importance, now more than ever, for having a free, unfiltered forum of pro-Constitutional voices and ideas to be heard. Put simply, they share in our vision for the future of AR15.com. The Colorado Magazine ban is one of the most widely resisted and disregarded gun control laws of the last 20 years. Including by elected county sheriffs. It is a text book case of how mass non compliance renders a law moot. At least in one instance discussion of non-compliance was warned against by site staff. Is this the future of ARFCom? Thread in question: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Colorado-magazine-law-/5-2263848/?page=1 ETA: The reality is that within many here’s life time a new Assault Weapon Ban and “high cap” magazine ban is a real political possibility. Will the CoC be used by site staff to stop organized, peaceful protest and resistance against such an eventuality? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:29:43 AM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:32:52 AM EDT
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I am in to see where this goes. In the past they have said that they didn’t want the hosting website to knock them for “illegal activities”
I wonder what the site would look like if they found a hosting service that welcomed free speech? Also brownells ain’t gonna let them have that discussion. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:33:23 AM EDT
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Evidently it already is to certain "good people" and that was over magazines.
I can see this playing out.....State X has passed a law requiring the registration of all semi-auto weapons and the destruction of mags over 10 rounds.....The grace period passes and members from State X are commenting about how they did not comply....They are now "law-breakers" and are discussing a "illegal" activity that clearly flys in the face of 2A. What would "good people" do? |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:34:03 AM EDT
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Edited ~ medicmandan
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:34:22 AM EDT
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We have a duty to resist these stupid fucking laws. I especially do not understand mocking these statist STATE laws. If I am in Missouri then I should be able to say whatever I want about Colorado or California. ARF should be leading the resistance the opposite direction they are going - not in spite of agencies monitoring this site but BECAUSE of it. These bootlicker "following orders" types need to know what road they are going down.
I say resist loud and proud just like those LGBTQABC fuckers. Worked just fine for them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:36:49 AM EDT
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We have a duty to resist these stupid fucking laws. I especially do not understand mocking these statist STATE laws. If I am in Missouri then I should be able to say whatever I want about Colorado or California. ARF should be leading the resistance the opposite direction they are going - not in spite of agencies monitoring this site but BECAUSE of it. These bootlicker "following orders" types need to know what road they are going down. I say resist loud and proud just like those LGBTQABC fuckers. Worked just fine for them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:38:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bend down and lick your masters boot. I suppose you are trying to get this locked? And your question is perfectly valid in light of recent thread locks. I'm waiting for the official response also. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:39:35 AM EDT
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Likely. And your question is perfectly valid in light of recent thread locks. I'm waiting for the official response also. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Bend down and lick your masters boot. I suppose you are trying to get this locked? And your question is perfectly valid in light of recent thread locks. I'm waiting for the official response also. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:40:32 AM EDT
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We have a duty to resist these stupid fucking laws. I especially do not understand mocking these statist STATE laws. If I am in Missouri then I should be able to say whatever I want about Colorado or California. ARF should be leading the resistance the opposite direction they are going - not in spite of agencies monitoring this site but BECAUSE of it. These bootlicker "following orders" types need to know what road they are going down. I say resist loud and proud just like those LGBTQABC fuckers. Worked just fine for them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:42:17 AM EDT
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I used to belong to a music forum--Harmonycentral.com or something like that.
Maybe the largest online musician forum at the time. One day, they changed the forum format (think, arfcom to DU format, but not quite as drastic). Eta: the changes were implemented after a national music store partnered with site owners. The members raised hell over it, begging the mods/admin/staff/owners to change it back (or at least to a more similar format.) The members were ignored. The site absolutely died in a matter of weeks. Eta proof (and the reasons included moderation changes and censorship): How changes to the way a popular forum was moderated killed it overnight I wonder what's going to happen here. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:46:26 AM EDT
[#47]
We need an answer to this question.
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:49:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason being given by site staff is that the site must be shielded from legal liability. If legal protection is the prime directive then sadly the answer is crystal clear. Monitoring the shit out of the site won't fix that. |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:52:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that happens I’ll be leaving the site. A insignificant gesture? Perhaps. But a clear sign that dissent, even within the CoC is not tolerated. So what’s the fall back position?  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/16/2019 8:54:01 AM EDT
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If we all comply there will never be that guy who breaks the law and has standing to appeal up to the Supreme Court. USSC can’t just pick laws out of thin air for judicial review. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If we have to wait for the Supreme Court to rule on every piece of anti-gun legislation before we organize peaceful non-compliance protests then we have already lost. USSC can’t just pick laws out of thin air for judicial review. Under the strictest interpretation of the CoC discussing such an act would be verboten. |
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