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Posted: 5/18/2019 10:06:51 AM EDT
As some of you may know, the EU directive on firearms has been implemented in the Schengen treaty countries for 3 years now, and the EU is forcing Switzerland to comply threatening us to be kicked out.

Our Governement and parliament has accepted to pass a law with so called exceptions regarding Switzerland to comply. The true story is that there is no exceptions and that the new law makes the right to own semi automatic guns a privilege linked to an activity (sport, collection, etc) . All semi automatic handguns holding more than 20 rounds and rifles holding more than 10 will go into the banned category, which will only be accessible with a reason (sport , collection etc) .

All these firearms will need to declared and they would be added to a registery, making every gun owner known by every EU law enforcement agency, with a list of who owns what and where he lives..

This law is supposed to be tightened in 2 years and then every 5 years. And since it does nothing against terrorism, and terrorism will still happened, it will be tightened-

As you see, this is pretty catastrophic regarding our rights.

We did not want this new law and collected 125k signatures within 3 months (50k required) to have a national referendum on this, to counter our treasonous government and parliament.

The problem is that only one political party (conservative SVP) has been supporting the referendum, and that it weights about 35% of the vote in Switzerland. Which means in order to win we must get the vote of about 15% of centrist and people from the right, but who are not anti EU for economic reasons. We have been campaigning towards that.

It's a tough battle yet we won every rational argument. This law was enacted in Europe to supposedly fight terrorism, yet we had our own governement representatives  admit live on Tv that this law will have zero effect on terrorism or criminality.

their only argument left, and which they have been repeating over and over is that if we don't accept it, we will be kicked out of Schengen, and the SIS police cooperation systems of the EU. They have had huge campaign financing to repeat this lie over and over from economy suisse, and we had to resort to political guérilla warfare and grassroots mouvements to counter it.
Lots of simple citizens like me spent thousand of $ and countless hours making and distributing videos and memes over social medias, printing poster and flyers and then distributing thousands of them in mailboxes in the last few weeks- we have spent every penny from every gun right or shooting association. And yet it was a drop into the sea compared to the tens of millions injected by our ennemies from économie suisse and the EU lobby.

The possibility of being kicked out of Schengen is non existant when you know Switzerland is the 4th economic partner of the EU which exports for 124 billions into Switzerland- we are only 0.2% of the people in Schengen, yet we pay for a whole 4% of their SIS system. Every day, we provide 350k jobs for people from the EU. To think the EU would give that up on a principle (which most of them don't even follow) is absolutely ridiculous- yet people are being lied to and blackmailed with that.

Tomorrow we vote and the people will have the last word on this. I spent the last 2 days literally contacting everybody I know to remind them to go vote. And yet we don't know if it's going to be enough.
The polls give us 35% of the votes and 65% for the yes. Yet we know these are rigged as well, to discourage people.

i did everything that was possible for me to preserve the rights I was born with and that I would like my little 3yo nephew to have in the future. But now I can only hope for the best.

Please. If you know anyone in Switzerland, call them and remind them to vote NO to the new gun law tomorrow, and otherwise pray for us. We might need it.

If we win it's going to be a huge victory on par with trump and brexit in terms of surprise. it is possible ! We will win. we have to win !

Thank you for your attention.

Update/

We lost. To a degree that my countrymen and women deserve to suffer from this in the future, they don't realize it but they just voted their own political demise.
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Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:08:15 AM EDT
[#1]
damn hopefully all goes well considering you guys are one of the few non-gun fucked countries over there.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:08:19 AM EDT
[#2]
Great watches
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:08:43 AM EDT
[#3]
There's nothing I can do to help, I know no one in Switzerland. Regardless, best wishes for a positive, pro-freedom vote result.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:09:44 AM EDT
[#4]
I would think the fact that Brexit has been stymied for so long despite the will of the people desiring an exit from the EU would show how hard it is for anyone to get removed, especially one who contributes disproportionately highly.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:10:13 AM EDT
[#5]
Fucking Germans. Good luck!
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:10:24 AM EDT
[#6]
We got our own problems, good luck!
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:11:31 AM EDT
[#7]
Hoping for the best.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:11:38 AM EDT
[#8]
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If you fall we follow-

If our positive example of gun ownership falls, it will be used against you-
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:11:42 AM EDT
[#9]
I can't help, but Good Luck.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:13:21 AM EDT
[#10]
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I would think the fact that Brexit has been stymied for so long despite the will of the people desiring an exit from the EU would show how hard it is for anyone to get removed, especially one who contributes disproportionately highly.

Good luck.
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Of course. They will never kick us out when they have so much $ to lose. It's not like they are bathing in gold....
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:13:52 AM EDT
[#11]
No one is immune from the NWO cancer spread.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:14:13 AM EDT
[#12]
Will pray for you and Switzerland

Progressives socialist want to rule the world and it is coming one day.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:14:16 AM EDT
[#13]
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If our positive example of gun ownership falls, it will be used against you-
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We got our own problems, good luck!
If you fall we follow-

If our positive example of gun ownership falls, it will be used against you-
I doubt it. We aren't down with this one world government shit like you Europeans.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:14:21 AM EDT
[#14]
the good news is you guys will always have your wonderful army knives
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:14:25 AM EDT
[#15]
Good luck and God bless!

The EU is a criminally power hungry entity.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:15:01 AM EDT
[#16]
Take them up n the threat to kick you out.  If Brexit shows anything it’s that being dropped is an empty threat.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:15:03 AM EDT
[#17]
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:15:53 AM EDT
[#18]
Best of luck to you. I hope that common sense (real common sense, not liberal bullshit common sense) prevails.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:16:30 AM EDT
[#19]
Europe is letting the Germans defeat them all over again...
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:16:41 AM EDT
[#20]
Prayers for you guys. We're at the point where we are going to have to use violence to solve this shit people. You all realize that, right?
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:17:50 AM EDT
[#21]
Good luck!
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:17:53 AM EDT
[#22]
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I doubt it. We aren't down with this one world government shit like you Europeans.
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I sincerely hope for you;

Yet in 2024 when you get a democrat White House and possibly senate and house, it might be different.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:18:56 AM EDT
[#23]
I'll be praying you guys stay strong and independent.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:18:57 AM EDT
[#24]
Fucking commie globalists are taking over everywhere.

Good luck to you and defend your God given rights.

Dog said it best...fuck the king.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:19:09 AM EDT
[#25]
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:19:12 AM EDT
[#26]
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:19:36 AM EDT
[#27]
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That is really unfortunate. As you're probably well aware, many gun owning Americans really admire the Swiss. What a blow.
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We aren't defeated yet. If we win it's going to be yuuuuge
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:20:14 AM EDT
[#28]
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I sincerely hope for you;

Yet in 2024 when you get a democrat White House and possibly senate and house, it might be different.
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Will still have the Scotus Trump card.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:20:32 AM EDT
[#29]
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Prayers for you guys. We're at the point where we are going to have to use violence to solve this shit people. You all realize that, right?
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Unless the lefties kick it off first with the full Monty of cattle cars and mass graves, we’ll just roll over and take it.  We’ve become soft and decadent.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:20:53 AM EDT
[#30]
Good luck to you guys over there!
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:21:02 AM EDT
[#31]
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I doubt it. We aren't down with this one world government shit like you Europeans.
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We aren't, but plenty of our congressmen are.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:21:54 AM EDT
[#32]
The EU is a suicide pact. You have my support.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:22:24 AM EDT
[#33]
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I sincerely hope for you;

Yet in 2024 when you get a democrat White House and possibly senate and house, it might be different.
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I doubt it. We aren't down with this one world government shit like you Europeans.
I sincerely hope for you;

Yet in 2024 when you get a democrat White House and possibly senate and house, it might be different.
Trump wasn't about 8 years. It was about 30 years.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:22:36 AM EDT
[#34]
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Will still have the Scotus Trump card.
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Yes.. until the scotus is made of 15 justices and that president Kamala and a democrat majority senate appoints 6+ gun hating liberals in there
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:23:07 AM EDT
[#35]
I wish you all the best. You're right every country that falls gives the gun grabbers more power to pressure other countries.

If this keeps happening the only people that will have guns will be government and terrorists.

Sincerely, I hope your government sides with law abiding citizens.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:23:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Rights?  Doesn’t appear you have them if they can be taken away.  Not being snarky.  They can try this here too....if you don’t comply their laws mean a lot less, maybe nothing.  Sanctuary!
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:23:23 AM EDT
[#37]
Best of luck to you on your fight. It sounds like you have done a great job standing up for your rights. I surely hope that you prevail.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:23:29 AM EDT
[#38]
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Trump wasn't about 8 years. It was about 30 years.
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See my post above.

Yet believe when I say I hope you are right
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:23:42 AM EDT
[#39]
"Threatening to kick you out"? Shit, demand to leave and sees what happens.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:24:59 AM EDT
[#40]
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:25:23 AM EDT
[#41]
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Rights?  Doesn’t appear you have them if they can be taken away.  Not being snarky.  They can try this here too....if you don’t comply their laws mean a lot less, maybe nothing.  Sanctuary!
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So how many new full auto guns did you buy lately ? You know, those firearms best suited for militia use ?  Not only they tried, but they did it. 34 and 86 should ring a bell
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:25:27 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
As some of you may know, the EU directive on firearms has been implemented in the Schengen treaty countries for 3 years now, and the EU is forcing Switzerland to comply threatening us to be kicked out.

Our Governement and parliament has accepted to pass a law with so called exceptions regarding Switzerland to comply. The true story is that there is no exceptions and that the new law makes the right to own semi automatic guns a privilege linked to an activity (sport, collection, etc) . All semi automatic handguns holding more than 20 rounds and rifles holding more than 10 will go into the banned category, which will only be accessible with a reason (sport , collection etc) .

All these firearms will need to declared and they would be added to a registery, making every gun owner known by every EU law enforcement agency, with a list of who owns what and where he lives..

This law is supposed to be tightened in 2 years and then every 5 years. And since it does nothing against terrorism, and terrorism will still happened, it will be tightened-

As you see, this is pretty catastrophic regarding our rights.

We did not want this new law and collected 125k signatures within 3 months (50k required) to have a national referendum on this, to counter our treasonous government and parliament.

The problem is that only one political party (conservative SVP) has been supporting the referendum, and that it weights about 35% of the vote in Switzerland. Which means in order to win we must get the vote of about 15% of centrist and people from the right, but who are not anti EU for economic reasons. We have been campaigning towards that.

It's a tough battle yet we won every rational argument. This law was enacted in Europe to supposedly fight terrorism, yet we had our own governement representatives  admit live on Tv that this law will have zero effect on terrorism or criminality.

their only argument left, and which they have been repeating over and over is that if we don't accept it, we will be kicked out of Schengen, and the SIS police cooperation systems of the EU. They have had huge campaign financing to repeat this lie over and over from economy suisse, and we had to resort to political guérilla warfare and grassroots mouvements to counter it.
Lots of simple citizens like me spent thousand of $ and countless hours making and distributing videos and memes over social medias, printing poster and flyers and then distributing thousands of them in mailboxes in the last few weeks- we have spent every penny from every gun right or shooting association. And yet it was a drop into the sea compared to the tens of millions injected by our ennemies from économie suisse and the EU lobby.

The possibility of being kicked out of Schengen is non existant when you know Switzerland is the 4th economic partner of the EU which exports for 124 billions into Switzerland- we are only 0.2% of the people in Schengen, yet we pay for a whole 4% of their SIS system. Every day, we provide 350k jobs for people from the EU. To think the EU would give that up on a principle (which most of them don't even follow) is absolutely ridiculous- yet people are being lied to and blackmailed with that.

Tomorrow we vote and the people will have the last word on this. I spent the last 2 days literally contacting everybody I know to remind them to go vote. And yet we don't know if it's going to be enough.
The polls give us 35% of the votes and 65% for the yes. Yet we know these are rigged as well, to discourage people.

i did everything that was possible for me to preserve the rights I was born with and that I would like my little 3yo nephew to have in the future. But now I can only hope for the best.

Please. If you know anyone in Switzerland, call them and remind them to vote NO to the new gun law tomorrow, and otherwise pray for us. We might need it.

If we win it's going to be a huge victory on par with trump and brexit in terms of surprise. it is possible ! We will win. we have to win !

Thank you for your attention.

.
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Sincere thanks for sharing. I am saddened to hear this.

I don't have much advice to offer. Only Sic Semper Tyrannus.

I am not very religious but I will offer up a prayer.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:25:48 AM EDT
[#43]
The rise of totalitarianism around the globe is truly frightening and anyone who thinks disarmament of the populace isn't key to this doesn't understand history,I hope for the best for you OP but I hold little faith for a good outcome.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:25:58 AM EDT
[#44]
Praying for you for sure. I have Swiss heritage and the William Tell mythos runs strong... This could be catastrophic if it falls.

All I can say beyond that is urging non-compliance if it passes. Let it fail like the Canadian gun registry did.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:26:42 AM EDT
[#45]
What's the overall "vibe" there?  Does it look like it will be voted down?
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:26:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Why Switzerland would voluntarily enter into an organization of countries increasingly populated by lowlifes is a mystery.

Find the appropriate politicians responsible for selling you out and let everyone know precisely who they are. Names & pictures and bios.
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:27:04 AM EDT
[#47]
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Boy ain't that the truth!!!

Best of luck, brothers...
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:27:11 AM EDT
[#48]
Good luck brother
Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:27:13 AM EDT
[#49]
So if you don't comply the EU is going to kick you out?

How is this not a win win?

Link Posted: 5/18/2019 10:27:28 AM EDT
[#50]
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Will still have the Scotus Trump card.
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I wouldn’t bet on that for one second. Use your head BP.
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