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Posted: 12/21/2003 6:54:33 PM EDT

From Small Arms Reveiew:

Contrary to the common assumption that Europeans are virtually unarmed, an estimated 84 million firearms are legally held in the 15 member states of the European Union. Of these, 80% or 67 million guns, are in civlian hands, according to a report by the Small Arms Survey of Geneva.

Citizens in European countreis are more heavily armed than they realize, with an average of 17.4 guns per 100 people. The United Kingdon has 10 firearms per 100 people. "Many, but not all countries of Europe already have a strong gun culture."

Further details reveal:

Gun laws are tightest in the UK, the Netherlands and Poland in per capita terms. Germans buy almost as many firearms as Americans.

France has more lawfully held handguns than the Czech Republic, Denmark, England and Wales, Poland, Scottalnd and Sweden combined.

Across Europe, official agree that illegal guns greatly outnumber known legal firearms.

British firearm owners are out armed 3-1 by the French and Geramns.

Posted: 12/21/2003 7:16:54 PM EDT

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Across Europe, official agree that illegal guns greatly outnumber known legal firearms.

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Not surprising, considering how many hoops they make you jump through in order to own guns [i]legally[/i] in some European countries Ð

Posted: 12/21/2003 7:54:59 PM EDT

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Across Europe, official agree that illegal guns greatly outnumber known legal firearms.

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Not surprising, considering how many hoops they make you jump through in order to own guns [i]legally[/i] in some European countries Ð

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And another fine testament to "gun control."

Glad we are safe and not in danger like all those "crazy Euros" with their illegal guns. [:D]

Posted: 12/21/2003 10:18:03 PM EDT

[#3]

France has a surprising number of shooters.
There are several French shooting websites.
Too bad there government doesn't trust them with anything in a "military caliber". But then I guess they remember Bastille Day. [:D]
I think they need another one.

Posted: 12/21/2003 10:45:22 PM EDT

[#4]

anyone got the numbers for USA? guns per 100 people

Posted: 12/21/2003 10:48:37 PM EDT

[#5]

Nobody knows how many guns are in private hands but the number I hear bandied about is 200 million. That means there is one gun for every 1.3 people. That my friends, it a shitload of guns.

Posted: 12/21/2003 10:55:19 PM EDT

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Nobody knows how many guns are in private hands but the number I hear bandied about is 200 million. That means there is one gun for every 1.3 people. That my friends, it a shitload of guns.

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good to hear

but then again, there are quite a few with ~50 guns and many with 5+

Posted: 12/21/2003 11:02:52 PM EDT

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anyone got the numbers for USA? guns per 100 people

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Not too long ago, the UN said it was something like 84 per 100 people or something like that. Which sucks. It PROVES that there are a bunch of slackers out there. We havent even hit a 1:1 ratio, and how many of us have 10+?

Posted: 12/22/2003 1:15:18 AM EDT

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We Finns are doing our part...

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Posted: 12/22/2003 1:48:43 AM EDT

[#9]

Tukka,
What are you stealing our guns for? [:D]

Posted: 12/22/2003 2:04:48 AM EDT

[#10]

"...I am, like, [b][i]so[/i][/b] glad I live in America and don't own any guns..."
[brick]

[devil]

Posted: 12/22/2003 9:02:51 AM EDT

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We Finns are doing our part...

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We knew we could count on you guys.

Funny what being invaded by BOTH Germany AND Russia during WWII will do for a countries perspective.

Don't know how you guys held for so long and I don't know what was worse, being invaded by those assholes or being treated as a "enemy" after the war by the allies.

Fucking crime.

Posted: 12/22/2003 9:17:55 AM EDT

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Tuukka are those AR-180`s in the pic? If so do you have any more pics please? Pretty please!

Posted: 12/22/2003 9:42:50 AM EDT

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They aren't AR180's. Notice the (original) AR10 type of cocking handle? It looks like a trigger inside the carry handle. Also the receiver is very stretched out so I am guessing .308.

I would love to know what the hell they are and who makes them!

Bob

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Tuukka are those AR-180`s in the pic? If so do you have any more pics please? Pretty please!

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Posted: 12/22/2003 9:56:48 AM EDT

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"Finland, with its strong hunting tradition, has the most legally registered guns in the EU at 39 per 100 people" ([url]http://www.obv.org.uk/europe/eu20030702a.htm[/url]). Are those guns part of your strong hunting tradition Tuukka?

Finland has the third highest ownership rate in the world, after the US and Yemen. Germany and France are pretty high also, at 30/100.

Switzerland is surprisingly low, only 16 guns in civilian hands per 100 population. Israel has only 6/100. The Palenstinians have 21/100.

Posted: 12/22/2003 10:13:16 AM EDT

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They aren't AR180's. Notice the (original) AR10 type of cocking handle? It looks like a trigger inside the carry handle. Also the receiver is very stretched out so I am guessing .308.

I would love to know what the hell they are and who makes them!

Bob

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Tuukka are those AR-180`s in the pic? If so do you have any more pics please? Pretty please!

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I believe those are CIS SAR80 in 5.56mm

Posted: 12/22/2003 10:32:02 AM EDT

[#16]

Also keep in mind that the figures can be deceptive in soume countries.

In Denmark and Sweden, for instance, the national guard ("home guard") keep their full-auto assault rifles and belt-fed MGs at their homes, with ammo. Those are not considered "civilian" guns, and thus are not counted in gun ownership figures.

Posted: 12/22/2003 11:19:28 AM EDT

[#17]

Tuukka,

Are those auto or semi? I thought the EU banned civie ownership of automatics?

Is Finland part of the EU?

Thanks. Awesome guns.

CRC

Posted: 12/22/2003 2:08:17 PM EDT

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Nobody knows how many guns are in private hands but the number I hear bandied about is 200 million. That means there is one gun for every 1.3 people. That my friends, it a shitload of guns.

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[i]Source: Associated Pres via Arizona Republic
Published: July 11, 2001

UNITED NATIONS - More than half the world's 551Êmillion firearms are legally owned by private civilians rather than governments, with fewer than a million in the hands of insurgents, a new study on the global arms trade said Tuesday...

...The legal ownership total is skewed by the fact that about 250Êmillion legally owned guns are in the United States, 84 for every 100 people and about half the world's "known firearms."[/i]

Posted: 12/22/2003 9:47:18 PM EDT

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"Finland, with its strong hunting tradition, has the most legally registered guns in the EU at 39 per 100 people" ([url]http://www.obv.org.uk/europe/eu20030702a.htm[/url]). Are those guns part of your strong hunting tradition Tuukka?

Finland has the third highest ownership rate in the world, after the US and Yemen. Germany and France are pretty high also, at 30/100.

Switzerland is surprisingly low, only 16 guns in civilian hands per 100 population. Israel has only 6/100. The Palenstinians have 21/100.

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These statistics are misleading. They only take into account privatly owned firearms.
They do not include issued firearms in the home.
Switerland would be maybe as high as the US and Isreal would be much higher. Also, more people in these countries would own firearms if they were not issued them.

Posted: 12/23/2003 3:10:17 AM EDT

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They aren't AR180's. Notice the (original) AR10 type of cocking handle? It looks like a trigger inside the carry handle. Also the receiver is very stretched out so I am guessing .308.

I would love to know what the hell they are and who makes them!

Bob

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Tuukka are those AR-180`s in the pic? If so do you have any more pics please? Pretty please!

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They are neither AR180 nor AR10 in 308, but 12 gauge mixed semiauto pump-action Franchi SPAS15.

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