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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:34:31 AM EDT
Here's a interesting email I received from a buddy.
A Deputy was shooting the 10 dot drill during Firearmstraining. The weapon is a 45 caliber Kimber Custom Eclipse II, purchased for approx $1200.00. It appears that the deputy had fired a 40 caliber round, which he had loaded by mistake. The slide functioned, but the 40 casing was not ejected. As the slide picked up a 45 round from the magazine, the nose of the 45 forced the 40 casing into the barrel. The deputy then fired the 45 round. The bullet and 40 cal casing made it about 3/4 down the barrel before everything came to a complete stop. The gasses, still looking for a place to go, blew out the bottom of the barrel, spliting the frame. Fortunately, the deputy was not injured and he stated that he did not have any type of malfunction prior to firing the 45 round. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:36:27 AM EDT
[#1]
DAYUM! [shock]
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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:36:53 AM EDT
[#2]
.45 Auto guys....don't mix your ammo! There's some sound advice. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:37:09 AM EDT
[#3]
Near Darwin award winner [rolleyes]
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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:46:47 AM EDT
[#4]
If I had noticed how close .40 & .45 rounds are, I don't think I would have bought my .40.
It is easy to mix them up, luckily I almost never shoot the two guns at the same time. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:47:05 AM EDT
[#5]
I notice that the gun is now safely zip tied to prevent any further use![rolleyes]
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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:55:13 AM EDT
[#6]
That'll wake you up.
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:10:53 AM EDT
[#7]
During my time in ICBMs, we had a phrase "attention to detail," something we wanted all crewmembers dealing with nuclear weapons to have at all times, for the obvious reasons.
This is an example of why that phrase belongs in every gun owner's mind every time he/she picks up a firearm! |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:15:06 AM EDT
[#8]
What a dumb ass. The two cartridges aren't that similar.
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:15:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Umm, the cop is a moron for NOT noticing the different sound the .40 round makes. I did this in my Colt Officers with no ill effects.
Does no one pay attention anymore? This is pure and simple shooter error for not hearing the .40. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:34:05 AM EDT
[#10]
They could prevent problems like this if they would outlaw .40 cal rounds. [;D]
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:53:02 AM EDT
[#11]
Just curious but...is this Deputy's name Barney buy any chance?
Edited to agree with 1911shootist. ALL HAIL THE 10MM[:D] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:01:56 AM EDT
[#12]
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:02:56 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted: They could prevent problems like this if they would outlaw .40 cal rounds. [;D] Ah, comes again the .40 cal! A failing gun maker's (S&W) answer to the question that nobody asked. [flame] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:05:39 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted: Quoted: They could prevent problems like this if they would outlaw .40 cal rounds. [;D] Ah, comes again the .40 cal! A failing gun maker's (S&W) answer to the question that nobody asked. [flame] Actually, the FBI [i]did[/i] ask. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:08:23 AM EDT
[#15]
And this is why I have a .45, a 9mm & NO .40sw
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:11:57 AM EDT
[#16]
WOW the most amazing thing I see is that he paid $1200 for an Eclipse? MSRP is $1071. I wish I could sell for more than suggested retail.
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:29:37 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted: They could prevent problems like this if they would outlaw .40 cal rounds. [;D] If it only saves one life, it would be worth it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:30:42 AM EDT
[#18]
That's why only trained law enforcement officers should be trusted with something complicated as a gun.
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:33:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Tell him to send it back to Kimber for repair.
It should still be under warranty. [;D] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:36:35 AM EDT
[#20]
Sounds like another Dept that needs a 3rd party Training Safety Audit. Many officers make these "little" mistakes, sometimes costing a life, and it boils down to safety procedures either before, during or after their training exercise.
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:50:01 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: WOW the most amazing thing I see is that he paid $1200 for an Eclipse? MSRP is $1071. I wish I could sell for more than suggested retail. [:D] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 7:57:33 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: That's why only trained law enforcement officers should be trusted with something complicated as a gun. [lolabove] That is undoubtedly the single most sarcastic post I have ever seen. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 12:52:57 PM EDT
[#23]
Mercy! I bet he had a long talk with Mr Daniels that evening.[:)]
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Posted: 12/20/2003 12:59:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted: Quoted: That's why only trained law enforcement officers should be trusted with something complicated as a gun. [lolabove] That is undoubtedly the single most sarcastic post I have ever seen. Well then, you need to get out more. :) |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:11:27 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted: They could prevent problems like this if they would outlaw .40 cal rounds. [;D] Outlaw .45 auto , they are too dangerous. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:13:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Quoted: They could prevent problems like this if they would outlaw .40 cal rounds. [;D] Outlaw .45 auto , they are too dangerous. Especially in the hands of someone that knows how to use one [;)] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:14:56 PM EDT
[#27]
the fbi asked for the 10mm first. they went to the 40 short and week when all the accountants cried because their hands are too small to wrap around the frame of their gun
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:15:08 PM EDT
[#28]
This is one of the reasons my agency was so reluctant to allow alternate calibers. I'll admit I once loaded a single round of 40SW ammo into a glock 19 9mm mag. Created a nice FTF during qualification. It happens
I also watched three Marines shoot nearly an entire box of 40SW ammo of their .45Acp Glock 21. It was feeding, firing, and functioning, but giving shotgun like patterns. When the box of ammo was nearly gone one of the Marines went to reload the mag and yelled "Your shooting 40 ammo in your 45 again dumbass!" Apparently it was not the first time these guys had made that mistake. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:20:01 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: The slide functioned, but the 40 casing was not ejected. As the slide picked up a 45 round from the magazine, the nose of the 45 forced the 40 casing into the barrel. I hate to say it, but is that what they call a sQUIB? yuck yuck yuck |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:22:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Not being a handgun type, what would have happened if that was a Glock? I have this image of a cartoon where there is a bulge that travels the length of the barrel and then the bullet spits out on the ground.
CW |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:31:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Oh golly-gee, that just can't be a KIMBER that KB'd; every good 1911 zealot knows that only GLOCKS do that. [rolleyes] Must have been sitting in a GLOCK box before it was used...[whacko]
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:33:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Not being a handgun type, what would have happened if that was a Glock? I have this image of a cartoon where there is a bulge that travels the length of the barrel and then the bullet spits out on the ground. CW Quoted: This is one of the reasons my agency was so reluctant to allow alternate calibers. I'll admit I once loaded a single round of 40SW ammo into a glock 19 9mm mag. Created a nice FTF during qualification. It happens I also watched three Marines shoot nearly an entire box of 40SW ammo of their .45Acp Glock 21. It was feeding, firing, and functioning, but giving shotgun like patterns. When the box of ammo was nearly gone one of the Marines went to reload the mag and yelled "Your shooting 40 ammo in your 45 again dumbass!" Apparently it was not the first time these guys had made that mistake. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:39:47 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Quoted: Not being a handgun type, what would have happened if that was a Glock? I have this image of a cartoon where there is a bulge that travels the length of the barrel and then the bullet spits out on the ground. CW [red] Quoted: This is one of the reasons my agency was so reluctant to allow alternate calibers. I'll admit I once loaded a single round of 40SW ammo into a glock 19 9mm mag. Created a nice FTF during qualification. It happens I also watched three Marines shoot nearly an entire box of 40SW ammo of their .45Acp Glock 21. It was feeding, firing, and functioning, but giving shotgun like patterns. When the box of ammo was nearly gone one of the Marines went to reload the mag and yelled "Your shooting 40 ammo in your 45 again dumbass!" Apparently it was not the first time these guys had made that mistake. Didn't mix the ammo though... CW |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 1:49:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Shooting 2 handed, muffs on, concentrating on training scenario, might not notice the difference. Off course that left hand probably noticed the difference on the next shot.
I do Cowboy Shooting and there are guys that use a combination of .45lc, .44 Mag, .44-40, and throw in that some also use .45 Schofield, .44 spcl etc it's a wonder that there aren't more problems. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 2:28:39 PM EDT
[#35]
I would think it would be easier to mistake 9mm and .40; I don't think I could mistake .40 for .45 in the dark.
Besides, I just tried to load a .40 in a .45 auto and (as someone said) it came sliding out the end of the barrel. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 2:47:11 PM EDT
[#36]
At least the slide is good to go. That is, if he can remove the barrel.
*edit, did he find the guide rod? |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 3:21:39 PM EDT
[#37]
I’m surprised the 40 S&W cycled the .45 to point of feeding a new round. Still, those photos are hard to argue with!!
The below 40 S&W casing resulted from my own attempt at a Darwin award!! [:E] I found the round loose in my range bag. Thinking it was a .45, I decided to get rid of it by running it through my 1911!! Nothing was damaged other than the shell casing and my ego! [:I] [image]photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=11633&iGalleryUnq=179&iImageUnq=20756[/image] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 4:13:02 PM EDT
[#38]
Even better, dont own .40S&W and 10mm at the same time.
It was midly entertaining to watch my brother in law play hot potato with his Glock 20 when he touched off a .40 through it. Other than the extractor disappearing and the magazine being toast, it stayed together. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 4:14:54 PM EDT
[#39]
OUCH!!!!!!! Glad no one was hurt.
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Posted: 12/20/2003 4:20:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Oh golly-gee, that just can't be a KIMBER that KB'd; every good 1911 zealot knows that only GLOCKS do that. [rolleyes] Must have been sitting in a GLOCK box before it was used...[whacko] Bwahahahah.... beat me to it! This just goes to show that ANY, and I mean ANY GUN CAN kB! True, there was a freakin' .40 casing stuck in the barrel in this instance.. but still. That gun came APART. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 4:21:28 PM EDT
[#41]
At least the cop went home at night.
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Posted: 12/20/2003 4:25:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: Quoted: Oh golly-gee, that just can't be a KIMBER that KB'd; every good 1911 zealot knows that only GLOCKS do that. [rolleyes] Must have been sitting in a GLOCK box before it was used...[whacko] Bwahahahah.... beat me to it! This just goes to show that ANY, and I mean ANY GUN CAN kB! True, there was a freakin' .40 casing stuck in the barrel in this instance.. but still. That gun came APART. I know what you mean. My wife packed one of my Les Baer 1911s with C4 and blew it because she was pissed with me. Broke the magazine follower. I'll never own one of those cheap guns again. [;D] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 4:34:06 PM EDT
[#43]
I shoot .38's in my .357 magnum all the time by accident![BD]
BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 4:55:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted: I’m surprised the 40 S&W cycled the .45 to point of feeding a new round. Still, those photos are hard to argue with!! The below 40 S&W casing resulted from my own attempt at a Darwin award!! [:E] I found the round loose in my range bag. Thinking it was a .45, I decided to get rid of it by running it through my 1911!! Nothing was damaged other than the shell casing and my ego! [:I] [image]photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=11633&iGalleryUnq=179&iImageUnq=20756[/image] Damn, I have a shell casing just like that from about 4 years ago. First time shooters should definitely take experienced shooters with them the first time they go to the range... [8)] |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 5:26:22 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: Quoted: The slide functioned, but the 40 casing was not ejected. As the slide picked up a 45 round from the magazine, the nose of the 45 forced the 40 casing into the barrel. I hate to say it, but is that what they call a sQUIB? yuck yuck yuck Your mistaking me with a member here that actually goes by the name Squib!!!!LOL!!! |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:07:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Damn, cops are stupid. And think, they suppose to be the "professionals".
My next door neighbor is a 20 year Sheriff Deputy. He is a good neighbor and a good fishing buddy but I hate to go to the range with him. He is dangerous. I wonder how many LEOs each year wind up shooting themselves, a fellow officer or a citizen just out of stupidity. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:22:40 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: And this is why I have a .45, a 9mm & NO .40sw This is why I have a .40, & NO .45 or 9mm [:D] Seriously though, I can't imagine how people chamber calibers not meant for their firearms, and they actually fire!!! You would think the whole round would just slide out the barrel. Maybe the extractor grabs it and hold it firm enough for the firing pin to do its job. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:34:14 PM EDT
[#48]
Egon: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
Venkman: What? Egon: Don't load 40 S&W in a 45 Auto. Venkman: Why? Egon: It would be bad. Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good-bad thing. Whattya mean "bad?" Egon: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your barrel exploding at the speed of light. Ray: Total weapon destruction.... Venkman: Right, that's bad...OK.. important safety tip. Thanks, Egon. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:44:38 PM EDT
[#49]
So I'm reading this thread earlier, and I go out to shoot a brand-new Firestorm gov't model 45 over at the BassProShops indoor range.
When I get there, some dude and the range master are wrangling over this gun with a stuck shell. They finally get the cartridge in the chamber (I suppose it was easier to jam the slide forward than to eject the round) and fire the cartridge. I pick up the spent shell and hand it to them where they discover the root of their dilemma: The gentleman was had just shot a 9mm Makarov cartridge through a weapon chambered for the 9mm Luger (or parabellum or 9x19 or whatever the Hell it's being called). Made me think of this thread. BTW, the Firestorm shoots just as good as the USP compact I had sold this morning. |
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Posted: 12/20/2003 6:53:18 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted: Quoted: That's why only trained law enforcement officers should be trusted with something complicated as a gun. [lolabove] That is undoubtedly the single most sarcastic post I have ever seen. You haven't seen very many of my posts, have you? ;) |
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