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Posted: 2/18/2018 11:33:12 AM EDT
It's a question I'm really not well enough educated to answer.  Obviously, the North had more manufacturing  capabilities, and a greater population.  The South was more agrarian, but the North had farming as well.  Slavery would have ended eventually, as machinery made it a more expensive way to get work done.  Northerners were already on average more affluent than Southerners - at least that's what I read in Frederick Douglas's autobiography.  Would the continent have become similar to modern North Korea and South Korea, where one side had more trade and more wealth, and the other side was mostly poor, and angry about it?  Would the South have eventually petitioned to rejoin the Union?  And what about the Federal Territories?  New Mexico, Colorado, California?  Would they have been free to join whichever side made the best deal for statehood?
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 11:35:26 AM EDT
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Sigh.

Tag.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 11:41:53 AM EDT
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The South would probably be most like Brazil.

However,I don't think if,for example,the Confederacy managed to make the US capitulate the week after Bull Run that things would have been settled once and for all by any means.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 11:43:52 AM EDT
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The yankees would've fallen to communism
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Hungry.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 11:46:51 AM EDT
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This
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 11:58:05 AM EDT
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It would be loud, annoying and smell funny.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 11:59:44 AM EDT
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A whole helluva lot freer.
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Lol, tx would belong to Mexico again
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:01:37 PM EDT
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From what I recall, the N. had issues with its food demand and issues with markets for its manufacturing.  The South's trading with Europe was a thorn in the N'ths side.  The south had issues with import taxes that made it costly to trade with Europe (and forced it into less profitable trading) with the north.

I would need to research, but suspect transatlantic shipping to the south would still be more comical than with South America.
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hard to say.  Mexico was no ecomic powerhouse.  Texas succeeded in its revolution and I don't think Mexico ever had desire to expend the costly resources to get it back-especially since it was bankrupted in its fight against Spain .
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:12:20 PM EDT
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No 2nd amendment in the north. The Dakotas would be part of Canada.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:16:56 PM EDT
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It would be fucking awesome, that's what it would be.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:20:02 PM EDT
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The South wouldn't have any major gun makers.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:24:10 PM EDT
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South would be what we would call "America"

North would be like North Korea
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:27:48 PM EDT
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This is gonna be good.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:29:28 PM EDT
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Yep, this could be interesting if it doesn't turn into a shitshow.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:29:30 PM EDT
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And Mexico would be Austrian.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:30:49 PM EDT
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The South would be banana republics dealing with slave insurrections.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:31:22 PM EDT
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A lot less vertical filming
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:31:46 PM EDT
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Lol
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:32:28 PM EDT
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here's what i always say..

south would have remained agrarian. slavery would have persisted for perhaps another 30 to 40 years. the united states divided would have not developed into the power it became. most likely we would have not fought in wwi. if so, most likely only the north would have become involved. the germans would have won wwi, and either immediately thereafter would have turned on the soviet union who was especially weak towards the end of wwi. germany, having won wwi would not have been humiliated. hitler would not have come to power, wwii would not have occured, the brits would not have taken over large parts of the middle east as they did after turkey lost in wwi. there would have been no partition of palestine and the founding of israel.

bottom line the south would have been a backward agrarian nation, the north would have been weak. and the japanese would most likely dominated the pacific also. and perhaps even communist china would never have risen.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:33:21 PM EDT
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The  south would look like a 3rd world nation and be asking for aid from the north.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:34:52 PM EDT
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In the 1930s communism made inroads in the South amongst the sharecroppers.

The South, you see, retained several forms of slavery until the North finally removed them in the 1920s and 1930s.

This did not endear the upper class with the poor.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:36:02 PM EDT
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The South would be a bastion of firearms freedoms.....machine guns, etc.

The North would look like East Berlin
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:36:08 PM EDT
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In many ways that is already the situation today.

If you look at a welfare heat map the South looks pretty bad.
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Peonage, a form of slavery, existed for about 70 years after the Civil War and only stopped because the North invested a lot of energy in stopping it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:43:20 PM EDT
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The north would have been a wasteland. They would forget how to govern themselves and probably break up into separate tribe like groups. They would no longer be able to grow crops or produce goods. They probably would be unable to make babies as well. It might sound crazy, but it looks like the south saved the union by losing the war.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:44:48 PM EDT
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By now the Confederacy would have subdivided into at least 230 fiefdoms and declared war on each other at least 250 times. Two thirds of them would be anarchist wastelands.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:46:16 PM EDT
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The South supposedly had designs on the Caribbean and Mexico/Central America.  I imagine that if they'd been successful, you'd have seen an empire of sorts, and slavery there would have continued for a long time.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:47:23 PM EDT
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GD has hit the trifecta today:
Probable AWB thread
What if the South won
“Stop saying ...” threads

Gotta love 3 day weekends, it always leads to free range autism.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:49:28 PM EDT
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Hank Williams Jr. would be president
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:51:25 PM EDT
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The south would also still be owning people.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 12:54:28 PM EDT
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We know this because all of the best places to live are built and maintained by slave labor.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:03:08 PM EDT
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In many ways that is already the situation today.

If you look at a welfare heat map the South looks pretty bad.
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The  south would look like a 3rd world nation and be asking for aid from the north.
In many ways that is already the situation today.

If you look at a welfare heat map the South looks pretty bad.
That's because the yanks freed the slaves but didn't take them home to the north. Wonder why?
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don't let little details get in the way of furious Confederacy masturbation.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:08:51 PM EDT
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Or the Confederate States would have just taken over Mexico the next time they got uppity.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:13:45 PM EDT
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If the Confederacy could’ve held on long enough for the discovery of oil, Texas and Louisiana would look like Dubai with trees and grass.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:18:17 PM EDT
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Everyone in the south would have interbred and look like microencephelactics and education would end by 6th grade.
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More slaves for their work force?
We know slave labor is best labor after all
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don't let little details get in the way of furious Confederacy masturbation.
Nope. Slavery would have ended fairly quick. The south would have been too reliant on Brittain and France for markets, manufactured goods and to a lesser extent, naval protection. Blacks might have ended up better off than they did.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:20:35 PM EDT
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These. The South is the shit hole of America. They'd be a 3rd world shit hole if left on their own.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:24:10 PM EDT
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You've never met a poor white southerner?
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:24:37 PM EDT
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Southern revisionists are literally the white versions of “We wuz Kangs” black people
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:27:14 PM EDT
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Thank you yanks for providing us with socialism and leftism

You guys are so enlightened that most of your states banned those icky AR15s
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:28:33 PM EDT
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Blacks probably would have ended up like the Indians.
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Nope. Slavery would have ended fairly quick. The south would have been too reliant on Brittain and France for markets, manufactured goods and to a lesser extent, naval protection. Blacks might have ended up better off than they did.
Blacks probably would have ended up like the Indians.
I don't think so for two reasons. One, by that time there would have been too much pressure from Brittain and France which the south could not have lived without. Two, there were too many blacks and the south couldn't have done without the labor.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:30:44 PM EDT
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This.
Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:30:46 PM EDT
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The south wouldd have lost thier aparthide and the farmers would be driven from thier lands by blacks.... or just murdered.

The South was not sustainable as a oligarchy-slave state.  Becuse that is what it was.

What is worse is that the Austrians and Prussinas/Germans that helped arm The South would have kept then nuetral in WWI and probably WWII much like Ireland was.

If the US was not renuified we would be totally fucked.

Let the butt hurt flow....

Link Posted: 2/18/2018 1:33:17 PM EDT
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Sort of like what was depicted in the show “Orange County Choppers”?
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