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Posted: 9/4/2017 11:55:01 AM EDT
I understand the kids are not responsible for what the parents did. But then again, you don't reward bad behavior. Dreamers can get preferential treatment in some universities over US citizens kids....better put your kids.
Do we send some of those that are currently in the military, paying taxes etc.....and kick them out? Tweak the system? Help me... |
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I think the crux of the matter is no different than any other crime of theft. Their presence in the US and the costs associated with it was stolen along with any benefits that accrued, perhaps from someone who who wanted to come here legally. Perhaps if they were willing to pay restitution equal to taxpayer cost of their education and so on that could be arguable. Lots of people forget we paid for them to be here. Well, to be fair, lots of people here don't forget that...
Compare it to a simple bank robbery or embezzlement. The thief didn't hurt anybody. They were just trying to help their family. But if the theft is discovered the money will be confiscated (Hopefully). It's the whole benefiting from ill-gotten gains, fruit of a poisonous tree thing. Just because the the person was unaware of the crime doesn't mean they get to enjoy it's benefits should it be discovered. For some reason this argument is lost on liberals. I see the whole issue as nothing more than theft (along with the resultant fraud). |
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We need a standard.
Some good people will be hurt by a standard. Most people will benefit from a standard. Pretty simple shit really. Had we maintained a sane standard on entrance to our country, these kids would not now be inconvenienced. This shit is FBHO's fault entirely, and any pain from it is also his fault. |
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If you're in the military, you're US Government Property...
Otherwise, you're an illegal alien, and you have to go back. |
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FBHO ... but maybe another amnesty is required to fix this mess for the one's with no criminal record.
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End DACA and persons born to illegals should not be citizens.
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We need a standard. Some good people will be hurt by a standard. Most people will benefit from a standard. Pretty simple shit really. Had we maintained a sane standard on entrance to our country, these kids would not now be inconvenienced. This shit is FBHO's fault entirely, and any pain from it is also his fault. View Quote |
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We need a standard. Some good people will be hurt by a standard. Most people will benefit from a standard. Pretty simple shit really. Had we maintained a sane standard on entrance to our country, these kids would not now be inconvenienced. This shit is FBHO's fault entirely, and any pain from it is also his fault. View Quote |
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Tweaking the system is what led to this fiasco.
End it. Anyone that thought it was a good idea to use a technicality to exploit another country is stupid. If Canada, or some other first world country came up with an idea that would benefit me, but was incredibly stupid, I wouldn't do it. .I wouldn't do it because of the risk that someday someone would come to their senses, then I would be up shits Creek And truth be told, those shitty countries are shitty because of the people in them. When they come to another country they usually try to turn it into the one they left. Nobody ever talks about all the casualties because of the false hope that encourages people to risk their life to run instead of sack up and change the country they are from. They need to go home. |
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End it. And end our magic dirt policy too. If your parents nipped over the border to pop you out... You don't belong here either.
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Illegals Crotch Fruits have to go back. Sucks for them but it is what it is.
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To those "children" who may be affected by an unfavorable DACA decision from our President. Im sorry your parents are criminals. Im sorry they thought they could enter this country in front of people like me who waited in line, followed the rules and became a US Citizen Im not an Asian American but an American. I don't fly a South Korean Flag nor do I speak Korean. I followed the rules but somehow some people in this country think its unfair to expect you DACA folks to do the same? Personally the Government should arrest and deport your parents and if you want to stay you should stand watch in our military. I DID. I already had my US Citizenship long before I joined. I joined because it was my duty. I felt it was part of being an American. Yes it may not be your fault youre here but letting you stay is a slap in the face to those of us who followed the rules. Agenda Media Group. P.S the reason why I use my picture so much is it drives the left crazy. I don't fit their narrative
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I will give them as much consideration as they would to me.
ABSOLUTELY ZERO. Gotsta go. Buh bye. |
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It needs to end, when I can't get financial assistance for school (and I don't make allot of money either) and have to jump through my ass to the point of getting congress involved in proving state residency. Then I shouldn't have to pay for some illegal to get an education I can't afford... Send them back, if my mom and grandma came here legally and they can two.
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I say ship them all back to the shitty countries they came from.
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Those serving in the military have legal status, they aren't going anywhere.
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To those "children" who may be affected by an unfavorable DACA decision from our President. Im sorry your parents are criminals. Im sorry they thought they could enter this country in front of people like me who waited in line, followed the rules and became a US Citizen Im not an Asian American but an American. I don't fly a South Korean Flag nor do I speak Korean. I followed the rules but somehow some people in this country think its unfair to expect you DACA folks to do the same? Personally the Government should arrest and deport your parents and if you want to stay you should stand watch in our military. I DID. I already had my US Citizenship long before I joined. I joined because it was my duty. I felt it was part of being an American. Yes it may not be your fault youre here but letting you stay is a slap in the face to those of us who followed the rules. Agenda Media Group. P.S the reason why I use my picture so much is it drives the left crazy. I don't fit their narrative https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/7067/FB_IMG_1504542378730-298871.JPG View Quote |
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Whether a person likes the premise or not, it is an example of executive over-reach. Such an action should be debated and moved through Congress not just signed off by any president.
As far as the "dreamers", they are still illegal immigrants and it doesn't sound like they have tried to take any steps for citizenship. |
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Leeches
An estimated 49 percent of households headed by legal immigrants used one or more welfare programs in 2012, compared to 30 percent of households headed by natives.
Households headed by legal immigrants have higher use rates than native households overall and for cash programs (14 percent vs. 10 percent), food programs (36 percent vs. 22 percent), and Medicaid (39 percent vs. 23 percent). Use of housing programs is similar. Legal immigrant households account for three-quarters of all immigrant households accessing one or more welfare programs. Less-educated legal immigrants make extensive use of every type of welfare program, including cash, food, Medicaid, and housing. The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants have modest levels of education; therefore, the high use of welfare associated with less-educated legal immigrants indicates that legalization would likely increase welfare costs, particularly for cash and housing programs. Restrictions on new legal immigrants’ access to welfare have not prevented them from accessing programs at high rates because restrictions often apply to only a modest share of immigrants at any one time, some programs are not restricted, there are numerous exceptions and exemptions, and some provisions are entirely unenforced. Equally important, immigrants, including those illegally in the country, can receive welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children. View Quote |
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the kids AREN'T responsible for what the parents did, until they turn 18. Just like I had a responsibility to register for Selective Service at 18, they have a responsibility to make their immigration status right.
Right? RIGHT. I say they get 60 days after they turn 18 to take care of immigration status or too fucking bad, so sad, DEPORT them. |
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And smart enough to actually apply FAST TRACKED to become a US Citizen or you will be like these smucks. https://www.aclusandiego.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DeportedVets.jpg View Quote |
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If DACA was such a good idea, why didn't President Obama and congress make it law? It was just one of Obama's "I have a pen and a phone" King of the United States decree.
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https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties
Penalties for Failing to Register
Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both. Also, a person who knowingly counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the Act is subject to the same penalties. If a man fails to register, or provides Selective Service with evidence that he is exempt from the registration requirement, after receiving Selective Service reminder and/or compliance mailings, his name is referred to the Department of Justice for possible investigation and prosecution for his failure to register as required by the Act. For clarification, if a man is exempt from registering with the Selective Service System, his name is not forwarded to the Department of Justice. The federal law stipulates that names are to be submitted to the Department of Justice annually. The more immediate penalty is if a man fails to register before turning 26 years old, even if he is not tried or prosecuted, he may find that some doors are permanently closed. View Quote |
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If they swore to defend the Constitution, wouldn't they be doing that by going back?
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When one is 70 years old and has been paying for the crotch fruit of others for approx. 55 yrs., one get a real bad attitude about continuing to pay, especially when the one making the rules is a fuck stick comm. organizer.
Congress and presidents and other fuck stick politicians have been fucking over the tax paying middle class producers for so long that it has been the norm for years. Anyone else pissed off or am I just a crazy old SOB? If so TOUGH SHIT! |
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1. Create the conditions that lead to self deportation.
2. Round up and deport those who remain. 3. ???? 4. MAGA |
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To those "children" who may be affected by an unfavorable DACA decision from our President. Im sorry your parents are criminals. Im sorry they thought they could enter this country in front of people like me who waited in line, followed the rules and became a US Citizen Im not an Asian American but an American. I don't fly a South Korean Flag nor do I speak Korean. I followed the rules but somehow some people in this country think its unfair to expect you DACA folks to do the same? Personally the Government should arrest and deport your parents and if you want to stay you should stand watch in our military. I DID. I already had my US Citizenship long before I joined. I joined because it was my duty. I felt it was part of being an American. Yes it may not be your fault youre here but letting you stay is a slap in the face to those of us who followed the rules. Agenda Media Group. P.S the reason why I use my picture so much is it drives the left crazy. I don't fit their narrative https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/7067/FB_IMG_1504542378730-298871.JPG View Quote She applied for citizenship, which took years and years of waiting, and never got it, as she went back to her home nation along with my dad for work with the Church. She paid State and Federal taxes out the nose, paid into social security, paid every which way but Sunday, never got citizenship, even with my dad being a US native. She came to the US because she had dreams that weren't possible anywhere else. She did it legally. I have many friends overseas that are on lottery ticket programs who want to come to the US but will probably never get their chance to live here. There are plenty of people abroad who are willing to come here legally, get naturalized, and follow our laws. Recipients of criminal actions should not be held above these people. |
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So sick of children being used as excuses for poor adult decision making,
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I think the crux of the matter is no different than any other crime of theft. Their presence in the US and the costs associated with it was stolen along with any benefits that accrued, perhaps from someone who who wanted to come here legally. Perhaps if they were willing to pay restitution equal to taxpayer cost of their education and so on that could be arguable. Lots of people forget we paid for them to be here. Well, to be fair, lots of people here don't forget that... Compare it to a simple bank robbery or embezzlement. The thief didn't hurt anybody. They were just trying to help their family. But if the theft is discovered the money will be confiscated (Hopefully). View Quote An adult who embezzles money or robs a bank is knowingly committing an illegal act, and as an adult, is fully responsible for his actions. DACA folks were brought here as children, therefore are not responsible for the crime. And many of them were brought here at such a young age that they know no other country as home. |
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I understand the kids are not responsible for what the parents did. But then again, you don't reward bad behavior. Dreamers can get preferential treatment in some universities over US citizens kids....better put your kids. Do we send some of those that are currently in the military, paying taxes etc.....and kick them out? Tweak the system? Help me... View Quote DACA is unconstitutional. I thought those in the military were already given an exemption? You have to respect the laws anywhere you go, why is this any different? Children will go where their parents go as it has always been. |
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End it.
As a law abiding citizen, I do not and can not support the theft of American tax payers money. If you think it's just a few young adults who don't have anywhere to go, you bought the democrats narrative hook-line-and-sinker. It's not even close. They would be able to sponsor their whole damn family, work as a us citizen and full any job that doesn't require citizenship (anything non federal), qualify for all state and federal benefits, etc.. While like a fucking idiot I scrimped and saved and tighten my belt to send my kids to better schools and college, this DACA fucker gets to to all of the same schools for FREE! That's right, free tuition, free books and spending money on top. The bullshit needs to end right now! Round them up, I'll drive the fucking bus my god damn self!! I'm an American, my kids are Americans! Being half Hispanic doesn't have shit to do with anything. |
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And smart enough to actually apply FAST TRACKED to become a US Citizen or you will be like these smucks. https://www.aclusandiego.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DeportedVets.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you're in the military, you're US Government Property... Otherwise, you're an illegal alien, and you have to go back. or you will be like these smucks. https://www.aclusandiego.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/DeportedVets.jpg |
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https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Why-Register/Benefits-and-Penalties Penalties for Failing to Register
Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both. Also, a person who knowingly counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the Act is subject to the same penalties. If a man fails to register, or provides Selective Service with evidence that he is exempt from the registration requirement, after receiving Selective Service reminder and/or compliance mailings, his name is referred to the Department of Justice for possible investigation and prosecution for his failure to register as required by the Act. For clarification, if a man is exempt from registering with the Selective Service System, his name is not forwarded to the Department of Justice. The federal law stipulates that names are to be submitted to the Department of Justice annually. The more immediate penalty is if a man fails to register before turning 26 years old, even if he is not tried or prosecuted, he may find that some doors are permanently closed. |
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Completely invalid comparison. An adult who embezzles money or robs a bank is knowingly committing an illegal act, and as an adult, is fully responsible for his actions. DACA folks were brought here as children, therefore are not responsible for the crime. And many of them were brought here at such a young age that they know no other country as home. View Quote Theyre foreign invaders, treat them as such. |
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Leeches An estimated 49 percent of households headed by legal immigrants used one or more welfare programs in 2012, compared to 30 percent of households headed by natives.
Households headed by legal immigrants have higher use rates than native households overall and for cash programs (14 percent vs. 10 percent), food programs (36 percent vs. 22 percent), and Medicaid (39 percent vs. 23 percent). Use of housing programs is similar. Legal immigrant households account for three-quarters of all immigrant households accessing one or more welfare programs. Less-educated legal immigrants make extensive use of every type of welfare program, including cash, food, Medicaid, and housing. The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants have modest levels of education; therefore, the high use of welfare associated with less-educated legal immigrants indicates that legalization would likely increase welfare costs, particularly for cash and housing programs. Restrictions on new legal immigrants’ access to welfare have not prevented them from accessing programs at high rates because restrictions often apply to only a modest share of immigrants at any one time, some programs are not restricted, there are numerous exceptions and exemptions, and some provisions are entirely unenforced. Equally important, immigrants, including those illegally in the country, can receive welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children. If you're unable to come here and not be a net drain, you shouldn't be allowed to come into the US. As for DACA, end it. Why are we allowing illegals to drain our system much the way mosquitos drain you of blood? One or two isn't really that noticeable. But 800,000 mosquitos would surely be noticeable. President Donald Trump has decided to formally end President Barack Obama’s legally troubled “DACA” amnesty for 800,000 younger illegal immigrants, according to Politico.
The leak to Politico came from two officials, according to the Politico article. President Donald Trump has decided to end the Obama-era program that grants work permits to undocumented immigrants who arrived in the country as children, according to two sources familiar with his thinking. Trump’s decision will anger business interests, progressives, and the establishment media sector, and some business-friendly GOP leaders, such as House Speaker Paul Ryan. But the decision likely will be broadly popular among the majority of Americans. Many polls show that Americans sympathize with the illegals, but also strongly prefer that immigration laws be used to ensure that Americans workers are not disadvantaged by the corporate hiring of cheap illegal migrants. Trump is expected to combine his Tuesday announcement of the program’s demise with a call for Congress to pass pro-American immigration reform, such as the popular Raise Act merit immigration bill. According to Politico: In a nod to reservations held by many lawmakers, the White House plans to delay the enforcement of the president’s decision for six months, giving Congress a window to act, according to one White House official. But a senior White House aide said that chief of staff John Kelly, who has been running the West Wing policy process on the issue, “thinks Congress should’ve gotten its act together a lot longer ago.” Read the article here. The immigration reform debate is expected to stretch far into the 2018 election year, partly because many other issues clog up Congress’ near-term calendar. Also, Democrats and business groups oppose any reduction in the annual legal inflow of roughly 850,000 low-skill, low-wage workers. Trump’s pending Raise Act reform would trim the inflow of lower-skilled immigrants who are now being brought into the country via “chain migration” family reunification rules. That reform would likely save $1 trillion in long-term aid, education, retirement, and welfare spending for every decade the inflow is halved, according to a recent estimate. That reduced taxpayer spending translates into lower revenue forecasts for business interests. The Trump reform would also help many Americans and their children find better jobs at higher wages, business groups admit. Since 2012, the DACA amnesty has provided work permits to roughly 800,000 illegal immigrants, including many who arrived in the 1990s. Their ages range from 15 to the mid-30s. Establishment media outlets describe the illegals as “children” or “kids,” but their average age is roughly 25. DACA supporters depict the migrants as productive and well-educated, but the available data shows the illegals’ skills are relatively low. The decision to end DACA was driven by several factors. They included Trump’s campaign trail promise to close down the amnesty, and the broad consensus among legal experts — including Attorney General Jeff Sessions — that Obama’s Oval Office offer of work-permit to illegal violates the constitutional separation of powers. Also, a group of nine Attorneys General Also, a group of nine Attorneys General is slated to file a lawsuit against the program on September 5. Each year, four million young Americans turn 18 and beginning looking for well-paying jobs. Each year, the government provide Green Cards to roughly 1 million legal immigrants. It also hands out almost 3 million short-term work permits to foreign workers. These permits include roughly 330,000 one-year OPT permits for foreign graduates of U.S. colleges, roughly 200,000 three-year H-1B visas for foreign white-collar professionals, and 400,000 two-year permits to DACA illegals. The current annual flood of foreign labor spikes profits and Wall Street values by cutting salaries for manual and skilled labor offered by blue-collar and white-collar employees. It also drives up real estate prices, widens wealth-gaps, reduces high-tech investment, increases state and local tax burdens, hurts kids’ schools and college education, pushes Americans away from high-tech careers, and sidelines at least 5 million marginalized Americans and their families. |
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Completely invalid comparison. An adult who embezzles money or robs a bank is knowingly committing an illegal act, and as an adult, is fully responsible for his actions. DACA folks were brought here as children, therefore are not responsible for the crime. And many of them were brought here at such a young age that they know no other country as home. View Quote |
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Completely invalid comparison. An adult who embezzles money or robs a bank is knowingly committing an illegal act, and as an adult, is fully responsible for his actions. DACA folks were brought here as children, therefore are not responsible for the crime. And many of them were brought here at such a young age that they know no other country as home. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think the crux of the matter is no different than any other crime of theft. Their presence in the US and the costs associated with it was stolen along with any benefits that accrued, perhaps from someone who who wanted to come here legally. Perhaps if they were willing to pay restitution equal to taxpayer cost of their education and so on that could be arguable. Lots of people forget we paid for them to be here. Well, to be fair, lots of people here don't forget that... Compare it to a simple bank robbery or embezzlement. The thief didn't hurt anybody. They were just trying to help their family. But if the theft is discovered the money will be confiscated (Hopefully). An adult who embezzles money or robs a bank is knowingly committing an illegal act, and as an adult, is fully responsible for his actions. DACA folks were brought here as children, therefore are not responsible for the crime. And many of them were brought here at such a young age that they know no other country as home. I say nope. I also go to college with a lot of these "Dreamers". They tend to be entitled assholes getting degrees in "studies" programs or law/politics. They are big into Leftist activism and many plan on doing that for a job once they graduate, if they aren't already. And remember that they are not paying for their college, US citizens are. They are almost universally using stolen identities (Social Security Numbers especially). End it. |
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FBHO ... but maybe another amnesty is required to fix this mess for the one's with no criminal record. View Quote No amnesty, just a round up. |
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