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Posted: 5/23/2003 6:11:17 PM EDT
[#1]
What's boat stand for?
B break O out A another T thousand [:D] |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 6:13:17 PM EDT
[#2]
LOL! I have also heard the definition as:
Boat: A hole in the water, surrounded by rust and corrosion, into which you pour money. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 6:19:42 PM EDT
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Can't be [i]that[/i] bad, it's just an itty-bitty boat:
[img]http://home.t-online.de/home/jgust/r_ley.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 6:21:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: LOL! I have also heard the definition as: Boat: A hole in the water, surrounded by rust and corrosion, into which you pour money. I'd have to look at it, but generally speaking, if it floats it's easily worth $500. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 6:21:37 PM EDT
[#5]
LOL .... H.R. .. I love the way you renamed the topic [:D]
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Posted: 5/23/2003 6:26:40 PM EDT
[#6]
I don't know about prices down your way Hannah but up here..boat/motor combo's go for a heck of a lot more then that.
My biggest concern would be parts for the outboard. A new motor up here usually cost as much if not more then the boat. On the upside..$500 to find out if you will use a boat enough to justify investing in a newer one is petty cheap. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 6:29:40 PM EDT
[#7]
I had a similar boat back in the late 80's and loved it!
I paid about the same for it. If the outboard is Johnson or Evinrude then parts are not as hard to find as you might think. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 7:27:53 PM EDT
[#8]
Thanks all, I bought the boat.
Engine is a 56, not a 54. Evinrude. They will *clean* it and deliver on Monday with a test ride, I am SO excited! Yay! I have a boat! |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:02:33 PM EDT
[#9]
The only thing better than owning a boat is having a neighbor who owns a boat.
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:03:48 PM EDT
[#10]
Somehow I think that this would be more your speed:
[img]http://www.battleship.org/images/bb62oa.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:07:45 PM EDT
[#11]
Phil, I will try to work up to that, but this is the *first* boat [:D]
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:12:45 PM EDT
[#12]
Cool, [b]hannah_Reitsch[/b]!! Enjoy, and remember--life vests are the eye/ear protection of boating--not an option. I hope you have a blast. Do you have enough deck space for a pintle mount??
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:15:47 PM EDT
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Yepp, BK, it has plenty of space for a nice belt fed, for those pesky alligator gars, I guess.
I *do* plan to get life vests, as I don't want to drown if I hit something big in the water and get thrown from the boat. I am an awesome swimmer, but we have alligator gars the size of busses down here that can wreck small boats if you hit them. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:21:55 PM EDT
[#14]
$500, and you haven't bought it [b]yet[/b]?
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:23:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Phil, I will try to work up to that, but this is the *first* boat [:D] If you don't know how to swim, and swim well, get a PFD and WEAR IT! Also, if you decide to leave the small lakes, LEARN THE RULES OF THE ROAD, and also the 'Law of Gross Tonnage*'. Most of the close calls out here involve recreational boats with owners that are unaware that it can take well over a MILE to stop a laden tanker. No lecture, enjoy. * If he's much bigger than you, keep clear no matter what the book says! |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:39:18 PM EDT
[#16]
Might I suggest something along the lines of the Edmund Fitzgerald.
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:45:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: and also the 'Law of Gross Tonnage*'. * If he's much bigger than you, keep clear no matter what the book says! AKA right of way does NOT trump the laws of physics AKA in pedestrian vs SUV. the SUV never loses. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:48:09 PM EDT
[#18]
Welcome to the dark side!! you'll never own just one, I'm on number 6, and that's just the one's with motors. What lakes are you going to be on?
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Posted: 5/23/2003 8:48:59 PM EDT
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Thanks Piccolo and all.
I will certainly stay out of the way of *everything* bigger than us, and a few that are smaller as well. I am a newbie to boating and want to stay cautious and intact. Thanks everyone for your responses, I will get pics on Monday when it comes home. [:D] Edit to add for John: Caddo and Lake of the Pines, those are our local lakes. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 9:44:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Somehow I think that this would be more your speed: [url]http://www.battleship.org/images/bb62oa.jpg[/url] Throw in an 8-track player, a case of blatz and white plastic toilet seats for the officers head and you got a sale. |
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Posted: 5/23/2003 10:18:53 PM EDT
[#21]
The '56 Evinrude is prolly worth what you are paying for the rig. At $500.00 you are in a "win-win"
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Posted: 5/23/2003 10:26:34 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: Cool, [b]hannah_Reitsch[/b]!! Enjoy, and remember--life vests are the eye/ear protection of boating--not an option. I hope you have a blast. Do you have enough deck space for a pintle mount?? Safety first. I can tell you some of my kayaking stories....But i wont. Lotus makes some good low profile vests and there are even self inflatable ones out there which are of an even lower profile. Just before you buy a vest check how many pounds of floatation it offers so you know it can keep you above water. Always wear that thing because you never know when you will be splashing in the water |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 2:06:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Can't be [i]that[/i] bad, it's just an itty-bitty boat: [url]http://home.t-online.de/home/jgust/r_ley.jpg[/url] I like this picture better. [img]www.greatoceanliners.net/Images/Jpegs/robertley03.jpg[/img] After the British blew the crap out of it. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 3:52:24 AM EDT
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The two best days in a boat owners life:
The day you buy your boat. The day you sell your boat. In all seriousness, the hull is probably fine but the old motor is what will give you the headache, they're high maintanence and above all, impossible to get parts for. Hull & trailer are worth the $500. If you plan on straying far from people that can tow you, I'd suggest a better motor. Definately have some communications available. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 4:37:06 AM EDT
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Consider this-A motor that old is almost a certain
headache but it might have some value to one of the classic boat types. A new outboard makes a gun look cheep,I would look into one of the 4 cycle models . The reliability will be worth it in the long run Have fun NHSPORT |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 4:45:53 AM EDT
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Caddo is a cool lake. Find an old timer with all the local history and it will be an event. We usually go to Caddo with friends at least once a year, they own a cabin there. Fourth of July is wifes weekend away at Caddo... fullclip |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 4:50:54 AM EDT
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You might want to catch them Garfish and sell them to help pay for that boat. I know that around Patterson Louisiana, Gar sells for $1 a pound, rough. There is a certain part of the population in every southern community that eats gar. Easy to catch and it don't take many to pay for a $500 boat.
I'll tell you how to catch them if your interested. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:01:01 AM EDT
[#28]
Could tell me how not to catch them by any chance?
[img]http://www.earthwave.org/gars/treegar.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/adv/nphoto/images/wildlife/gar.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:01:28 AM EDT
[#29]
How *does* one hunt gars, Pangea?
Let alone drag em into the boat... I have heard they weigh hundreds of pounds and have a long alligator shaped mouth filled with razor sharp teeth! And that they are attracted to night running lights. 12 ga? .308? The locals do something with crossbows... but they are all crazy Cajuns. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:05:45 AM EDT
[#30]
Anytime you can get a boat with a motor for $500 it's a great deal.
The biggest issue anyone has with boating is you don't know what kind of boat you really need till you boat. This is a low cost way to find out. You will always be able to get your money back and upgrade later. During my TX days mid summer, I did most of my boating in the evening and nights so a good set of lights to include a rechargeable hand held is a good idea. You can pick this up cheap for under $100. Boating in mid day can spoil the experience due to the heat and sun. You will have to have a life jacket for each person on board, one throw cushion, horn ($5 hand held is fine), fire extinguisher, and the boat registered to avoid tickets. If you run at night you will need running lights since you have a motor. The battery operated temporaries work fine and are cheap. Setting in one place at night, you need an anchour light which is just a bare light so a lantern will work fine. You can take a free boating course on safety rule but that will only teach you that no one else did. LOL The rules are simple, like a car stay to the right side if possible not a must, and the guy on your right has the right away. The rest is common sense stuff. Watch for the wake of bigger boats especially the assholes who like to torture smaller boats. Slowing down and nosing in is better than trying to jump them. If the old motor has a shear pin, carrying an extra in TX is really a good idea for there are lot's of sunken trees that can shear the pin and being able to put a new one in saves you being towed or paddling. A paddle is a must. Most boaters will stop to tow a boat with a motor being paddled. It's kind of like you hood being up on the highway. A citranella bucket is a good idea for night and when in Texas depending where we boated we took a .38 with snake shot for obvious reasons. In Texas unless the laws have changed, we were able to carry our handguns on our hips since it is state property. Not necessary on a recreational lake but up in the boonies or one a river, it's a good idea. I envy you for the state has unbelieveable great boating experiences with everything from swamp/bayou to large blue clear water. As you can tell, we are avid boaters and it is a part of our life we are not willing to give up. Like shooting, it's another reason for being outdoors. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:11:07 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Could tell me how not to catch them by any chance? [url]http://www.earthwave.org/gars/treegar.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/adv/nphoto/images/wildlife/gar.jpg[/url] LOL, I think it's how do you keep from catching them. They bite on anything and everything from lures to live bait. Their teeth will snap through a line in a heartbeat. The trick is simple, have a steel leader with swivel and we would shoot them in the head with our handgun after catching them. Bank fishermen tend to bash their brains out. Largest alligator ghar I can recall was caught on the Brazos and weighed almost 200#. The big ones are a hoot in a boat for they will pull your boat like Moby Dick. The monstors are mainly in the SE part of the state where there are gators. OH yea, make sure your drag is set for they tend to take and run doubling your pole and snapping your line. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:17:07 AM EDT
[#32]
For the "eatin size" garfish all you need is some cane poles and tarred nylon twine. Take a heavy cane pole(heavy as in thick at the tip), about 7-8 feet long and tie a length of twine at the base. Bring it up the pole with half hitches to the tip and make about a 8" loop on a slip knot. This loop should slip easily but not collapse on its own weight. Lay the poles in the water with the loop oriented 90 degrees to the pole. A gar will lay under a long shadow in the water to camoflage itself when it's hunting. When he goes to strike a target he will run into your loop and snag himself. You drive by every once in awhile and look for the bobbing poles. They are the ones with a fish. It's easier than stealing!
You could also take up the bowfishing sport. It is supposed to be a blast. Many garfish are harvested by this means and it is more like fun than work. And I forgot to mention. My family is Cajun. But we aren't crazy. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:20:04 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: The locals do something with crossbows... but they are all crazy Cajuns. They also use chickens to bait and catch alligators, which they batter-fry and tell you "It's good, just like chicken!" Well, why didn't you eat that chicken you used as bait then, you nutjob? |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:28:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: For the "eatin size" garfish all you need is some cane poles and tarred nylon twine. Take a heavy cane pole(heavy as in thick at the tip), about 7-8 feet long and tie a length of twine at the base. Bring it up the pole with half hitches to the tip and make about a 8" loop on a slip knot. This loop should slip easily but not collapse on its own weight. Lay the poles in the water with the loop oriented 90 degrees to the pole. A gar will lay under a long shadow in the water to camoflage itself when it's hunting. When he goes to strike a target he will run into your loop and snag himself. You drive by every once in awhile and look for the bobbing poles. They are the ones with a fish. It's easier than stealing! You could also take up the bowfishing sport. It is supposed to be a blast. Many garfish are harvested by this means and it is more like fun than work. And I forgot to mention. My family is Cajun. But we aren't crazy. [lol] Most Cajun's I know take pride in being crazy! I miss my time in LA, great people and unbelieveable food. I just got hungry thinking about it. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:29:44 AM EDT
[#35]
Thanks TJ!
All very good information from everyone so far. The largest gar taken out of Caddo Lake so far weighed in at 350. (!) We will be mostly sightseeing at first, as I am also a complete newbie to fishing as well as boating. Yes, there are Things in the water I do not want to meet up close, but I was raised as a small child in Maryland, so I have been yearning to get back to water and boats for over 40 years. All helpful hints will be welcomed, as I don't want to become alligator food. [:D] Edit to add: "Crazy" as in brave and unbelievably skillful in dealing with Things in the water, Pangea. "Insane" if *I* tried to do it. No insult intended at all. More like awe at what y'all can catch and with what tools you use to do it. I LOVE the Cajuns down here, great food, cool music, and feats of fishing and hunting that are legendary. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 5:38:11 AM EDT
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I wasn't offended. I have been hearing that kind of comment all my life and know that it isn't usually meant as mean spirited. Bon chance avec ton neuveau bateau,tit fille. Entrape beaucoup poisants.
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Posted: 5/24/2003 6:24:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Merci beaucoup, mon ami Pangea.
[:D] And what an interesting way to catch gars! Makes me wonder what sort of tactics the gars have evolved to catch small boats though, lol. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 6:45:05 AM EDT
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If ya have prop questions I would be happy to help. I would look into a newer engine also it can make for a lllloooonnnnggggg day. If ya get caught in a rain storm, etc etc etc. Congrats and keep the checkbook OPEN!!!
[:O] [:O]. PG |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 6:53:30 AM EDT
[#39]
Thanks Propguy!
If heaven forbid, I should shear the pin and drop the prop into Caddo Lake, I can assure you NONE of us will be going over the side and fighting the gators, gars, and snakes for it. Are replacement props still available for a 1956 Evinrude? |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 7:00:50 AM EDT
[#40]
Hannah, please take seriously the suggestions to get a newer motor. The plus side is that there are some [s]lunatics[/s] collectors who will pay pretty well for vintage outboards if they are in good running condition. That should get you pretty close to the price of a new outboard.
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Posted: 5/24/2003 7:06:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Could tell me how not to catch them by any chance? [url]http://www.earthwave.org/gars/treegar.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/adv/nphoto/images/wildlife/gar.jpg[/url] Maybe I'm just a big wimp, but anything with teeth & that can grow to that size ain't getting on the boat with me.....unless it catches some lead. My dad & his cousin used to hunt gar in Arkansas off a bridge using a spotlight & .22. When he was about 9 a commercial fisherman managed to net a 7'+ 230 # gar on the White River, near Des Arc, AR. He wacked it in the head with his axe that was handy, left it on the bank, went home & came back with his 12gauge. Grandfather carried a picture of this fish (much like the first pic) in his wallet for many years as a momento of being there when the guy had it weighed afterwards. Yep, no way in hell something that big & mean is getting in the boat with me (or me in the water either) Nice catch on the boat HR (especailly with motor & trailer included), like others said the old outboard might have enuff collector value to pay for the boat if you decide to modernize. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 7:07:45 AM EDT
[#42]
Props shouldn't be that much of a problem, lots of little backwoods outboard shops in that part of the state. (Heck even around here)
If reliability is a big concern just pick up a small outboard kicker, a 3 hp would be pretty cheap used and would get you home, just a lot slower. I've come home on the kicker motor a number of times. I bought an Evinrude 3.3 hp on the way home from one fishing trip, pulling the boat 4 miles down the intracoastal at 2 in the morning in Febuary was NOT fun! I've never been able to figure out how to push start a boat. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 7:13:12 AM EDT
[#43]
I would need some numbers from the prop. What size is the motor, year, diameter and pitch of the prop. When you get a chance look at the prop and the #s should be on the top or the side of it. The optimum prop would be WOT [wide open throttle] and the max rpms the manufacture recommends BUT it is a older motor so we may not want to pursue that. I am pretty sure I could find something to fit the #'s will help. Does the boat have a tach? If not I would suggest one they arent that much and will help keep an eye on the engine. DO carry extra shear pins nuts and thrust washers,and a spare prop if we can find one.[I know we can]
[:)] [:)] The shear pins wont help if you spin the hub.[rubber bushing] [:)] Let me know and I will look Tuesday I may even have something at the shop. PG |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 7:50:46 AM EDT
[#44]
Thanks, I will get some #s on Monday for it, Propguy.
Cduarte, thanks, I would love to find a newer more reliable motor, but if all else fails, we will still have the 2 electric trolling motors, and some paddles to try to get home on. At the moment, replacing it may not be an option. I will look into perhaps peddling it to a collector though. Having been rebuilt, I hope it works for a while anyway. Trying to picture ID the motor, so far it looks like the 1956 30 hp Bigtwin Evinrude. I will have the boat here on Monday, and will be able to get better specifics. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 7:58:51 AM EDT
[#45]
Hannah, very important question. Do you have good title to the boat and motor? You'll need it for registration, and with some really old boats it can be a problem.
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Posted: 5/24/2003 8:02:02 AM EDT
[#46]
Yes, good clear title, and currently registered.
Good point, John, it was something I asked about right away, having built street rods before. Title problems can be a serious PITA. |
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Posted: 5/24/2003 8:06:37 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: Largest alligator ghar I can recall was caught on the Brazos and weighed almost 200#. The big ones are a hoot in a boat for they will pull your boat like Moby Dick. The monstors are mainly in the SE part of the state where there are gators. You should try some kayak fishing then! Nothing liek hooking a large striper or bluefish and goin on a new england sleigh ride. ITs quite a thrill. Some whackos on the west coast (Cali, mexico and hawaii) where the continental shelf drops off damn close to the shore paddle out there and catch billfish, sailfish and sharks from their kayaks. I read an article last year where a kayak fisherman was pulled over 10 miles by a marlin with speeds close to 30 mph at some times. What a rush |
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Posted: 5/25/2003 11:33:23 AM EDT
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I checked, and the serial number for the motor is 25916-10140, which makes it a Evinrude 25HP Motor of 1954 vintage.
Any idea what the proper gas/oil mixture would be for it? |
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Posted: 5/25/2003 12:09:51 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: Somehow I think that this would be more your speed: [url]http://www.battleship.org/images/bb62oa.jpg[/url] Sorry, I already own that one. I keep it in my back yard: [img]groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SQDdAr0VKRSpbUUlZyLiz64claRJkLVmOiukRBmcCWuKh6IVsI8H2FUGTUU*kdymmxplQvdJfOQCHIrMwJPV7sokAb82Hd4cLZ5r4ZWaXOblNgOgxzN3Sw/IMG_0036.jpg[/img] [:D] |
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Posted: 5/25/2003 1:11:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: I checked, and the serial number for the motor is 25916-10140, which makes it a Evinrude 25HP Motor of 1954 vintage. Any idea what the proper gas/oil mixture would be for it? I did some research on www.deja.com and searched the rec.boats newsgroup using the keywords gas oil mixture. From what I read there, I would go with 16:1 to be safe. Yes it'll smoke a lot and foul plugs, but you risk blowing the motor up if you go to a leaner ratio. |
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