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Posted: 5/21/2003 8:54:48 AM EDT
[#1]
I don't live in Texas, but I'd say screw 'em! Pack anyway!
Just don't get drunk and do something stupid! [BD] |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:06:14 AM EDT
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It's probably because they serve rita's and beer. I dont' carry ccw, so it doesn't affect me. If I paid attention to everything that is "anti" gun in the United States, I'd freak out.
I don't think you should let it bother you. Edited to add: I noticed you went to one in Austin. Don't expect anywhere to be gun friendly in Austin with the exception of Red's gun range and a handful of other place. Austin is not known for it's love of firearms. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:06:59 AM EDT
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Is their sign in accordance with state regulations regarding concealed handgun licensees? If not, it's not enforceable.
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:10:25 AM EDT
[#4]
Hmmm, first they came for the Poles but I didn't care because I wasn't
Polish, then they came for the Jews but I didn't care because.... Yes they serve booze, so? You must also agree with TC that gun owners are all out of control drinkers who are irresponsible? Guess what? I does affect you, you are the kind of gun owner who shouldn't complain when they come for your black rifles.... I'll shut up now before I get really ugly. BT |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:10:44 AM EDT
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NO their sign is NOT LEGAL (in accordance w/ Texas stautes), and I've ignored it for years.... (at least in all the ones I been in).
Mike |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:12:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Is their sign in accordance with state regulations regarding concealed handgun licensees? If not, it's not enforceable. True it's not enforceable, but it's not about that, it's about helping the enemy with our dollars. ABout letting other non gun folks see signs and reinforcing the beleif we are bad and guns are bad. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:12:54 AM EDT
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I'm not presently in TX...but lived there last year. It was my understanding that businesses HAD to post the "30.06" sign conspicously on the premises in English and Spanish. The sign has fairly large dimensions as prescribed by law...the size of a small poster.
That is the ONLY method that weapons can be banned from a private establishment in TX. The ONLY place I ever saw one was at Six Flags in San Antonio. They had them up all over the entrance. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:15:18 AM EDT
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The whole idea of CCW is it cant be seen. Problem solved! Why would you let taco cabana tell you how and when you can protect yourself?
Do as you please, dont be an ass and respect others and you wont have a problem |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:15:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: NO their sign is NOT LEGAL (in accordance w/ Texas stautes), and I've ignored it for years.... (at least in all the ones I been in). Mike Curious why you would give money to a business that doesn't want you and thinks you are a danger? I don't wear Levis because they give money to ANTI gun groups. Wouldn't be suprised if TC does also now. BT |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:16:57 AM EDT
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If they are serious about it they'll post a proper 30.06 sign, otherwise it's just a bunch of bullshit.
They aren't posting a legal sign because almost any business that does that in Texas knows that they will have a decline in customers, and a PR backlash to deal with. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:32:10 AM EDT
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Well, although they serve beer, they are not a 51% business. I too have seen the handgun in a circle with a line thru it here in Dallas. I just walk right in and order my steak fajitas.
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:38:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hmmm, first they came for the Poles but I didn't care because I wasn't Polish, then they came for the Jews but I didn't care because.... Yes they serve booze, so? You must also agree with TC that gun owners are all out of control drinkers who are irresponsible? Guess what? I does affect you, you are the kind of gun owner who shouldn't complain when they come for your black rifles.... I'll shut up now before I get really ugly. BT Hey dude, kiss my ass. I'm simply trying to point out that since I don't carry a firearm on my body, it doesn't affect me, and IT DOESN'T. If TC wants to put a sign up that says no carrying of firearms, then either leave or shut the fuck up and go in and eat. Don't try to paint me as a the type who agrees with anti gunners or say little snide remarks like "You must agree with TC that all gun owners are all out of control dinkers who are irresponsible". Go fuck yourself........ |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:58:33 AM EDT
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Personally I think the food is not human friendly either. I have gone to the one in my town twice, & both times was sorely disappointed in the quality of the food. I don't like the big hunks of bone, & such in the food. I think the anti gun attitude is a second good reason to avoid them.
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Posted: 5/21/2003 10:11:27 AM EDT
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Hmmm, doesn't Texas state law forbid carrying in a place that serves alcholic beverages for consumption on premises?
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Posted: 5/21/2003 10:19:38 AM EDT
[#15]
As long as a business doesn't derive over 51% of their income through alcohol, you can pack.
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Posted: 5/21/2003 3:18:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm, first they came for the Poles but I didn't care because I wasn't Polish, then they came for the Jews but I didn't care because.... Yes they serve booze, so? You must also agree with TC that gun owners are all out of control drinkers who are irresponsible? Guess what? I does affect you, you are the kind of gun owner who shouldn't complain when they come for your black rifles.... I'll shut up now before I get really ugly. BT Hey dude, kiss my ass. I'm simply trying to point out that since I don't carry a firearm on my body, it doesn't affect me, and IT DOESN'T. If TC wants to put a sign up that says no carrying of firearms, then either leave or shut the fuck up and go in and eat. Don't try to paint me as a the type who agrees with anti gunners or say little snide remarks like "You must agree with TC that all gun owners are all out of control dinkers who are irresponsible". Go fuck yourself........ Every time a business posts signs that basically says "GUNS ARE BAD" the non gunners and middle of the roaders see it and absorb it. It affects you as the American people don't care or think it's ok. Remember AWB of 1994? Those happened because most Americans weren't informed, didn't care or said "It doesn't affect me", how many other resctritions on guns since then? Hundreds... Sorry to have pissed you off but I feel if you like owning guns you must get involved and stop the tide at some point. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 4:05:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm, first they came for the Poles but I didn't care because I wasn't Polish, then they came for the Jews but I didn't care because.... Yes they serve booze, so? You must also agree with TC that gun owners are all out of control drinkers who are irresponsible? Guess what? I does affect you, you are the kind of gun owner who shouldn't complain when they come for your black rifles.... I'll shut up now before I get really ugly. BT Hey dude, kiss my ass. I'm simply trying to point out that since I don't carry a firearm on my body, it doesn't affect me, and IT DOESN'T. If TC wants to put a sign up that says no carrying of firearms, then either leave or shut the fuck up and go in and eat. Don't try to paint me as a the type who agrees with anti gunners or say little snide remarks like "You must agree with TC that all gun owners are all out of control dinkers who are irresponsible". Go fuck yourself........ Every time a business posts signs that basically says "GUNS ARE BAD" the non gunners and middle of the roaders see it and absorb it. It affects you as the American people don't care or think it's ok. Remember AWB of 1994? Those happened because most Americans weren't informed, didn't care or said "It doesn't affect me", how many other resctritions on guns since then? Hundreds... Sorry to have pissed you off but I feel if you like owning guns you must get involved and stop the tide at some point. Don't forget the AWB of 1934! It's worth arguing, but be civil. Geez....we're killing ourselves...[banghead] |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 5:31:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm, first they came for the Poles but I didn't care because I wasn't Polish, then they came for the Jews but I didn't care because.... Yes they serve booze, so? You must also agree with TC that gun owners are all out of control drinkers who are irresponsible? Guess what? I does affect you, you are the kind of gun owner who shouldn't complain when they come for your black rifles.... I'll shut up now before I get really ugly. BT Hey dude, kiss my ass. I'm simply trying to point out that since I don't carry a firearm on my body, it doesn't affect me, and IT DOESN'T. If TC wants to put a sign up that says no carrying of firearms, then either leave or shut the fuck up and go in and eat. Don't try to paint me as a the type who agrees with anti gunners or say little snide remarks like "You must agree with TC that all gun owners are all out of control dinkers who are irresponsible". Go fuck yourself........ Every time a business posts signs that basically says "GUNS ARE BAD" the non gunners and middle of the roaders see it and absorb it. It affects you as the American people don't care or think it's ok. Remember AWB of 1994? Those happened because most Americans weren't informed, didn't care or said "It doesn't affect me", how many other resctritions on guns since then? Hundreds... Sorry to have pissed you off but I feel if you like owning guns you must get involved and stop the tide at some point. I am involved. I write letters to my Senators and Congressman. I try to help people understand how crazy the AWB is. I am a member of the NRA (big deal) and I vote pro gun. But if you ask me if I give a shit about whether or not TACO CABANA will let a CCW into their establishment, I can tell you it falls way down the list of my gun owning priorities. You seem to care alot about this topic, so quite wasting your time trying to change some company's internal policies and focus on what you have a say in........US Gun Laws. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 5:35:55 PM EDT
[#19]
i never ate there anyway.
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Posted: 5/21/2003 6:13:45 PM EDT
[#20]
Gang up on me if you will, but...I see their point.
Think about it; inhibitions are let down, perceptions are altered, etc. Speaking as a drinker, I can say this for a fact [:)] Some normal nice folk turn into MEAN drunks. Some turn into happy drunks. Others just turn into...drunks. As a business (and for plain old common sense purposes), I'd not want to have concealed carry in a bar. Had I an unrestricted permit here, I'd shuck my weapon before I entered any bar. Not that I don't trust myself, but no matter what happened, the phrase "He had a couple drinks" WILL make the papers, even if it turned out that I shot some rapist intent on my wife. (Never mind I'm unmarried, but you get the point.) You wouldn't go to the range trashed off your ass. You wouldn't go out and drive trashed off your ass; you'd wait. Not saying you'd have 8 beers and go on a tear while you were there, but the point stands. Why bother? Ain't worth it. My opinion and my opinion alone, I inserted the two pennies... |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 6:30:08 PM EDT
[#21]
We dont have any here.
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Posted: 5/21/2003 6:47:58 PM EDT
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The Taco Cabanas on Quadalupe, Lamar, and in Cedar Park all have pretty good food and no signs. Where is this one you were in?
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Posted: 5/21/2003 6:59:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Gang up on me if you will, but...I see their point. Think about it; inhibitions are let down, perceptions are altered, etc. Speaking as a drinker, I can say this for a fact [:)] Some normal nice folk turn into MEAN drunks. Some turn into happy drunks. Others just turn into...drunks. As a business (and for plain old common sense purposes), I'd not want to have concealed carry in a bar. Had I an unrestricted permit here, I'd shuck my weapon before I entered any bar. Not that I don't trust myself, but no matter what happened, the phrase "He had a couple drinks" WILL make the papers, even if it turned out that I shot some rapist intent on my wife. (Never mind I'm unmarried, but you get the point.) You wouldn't go to the range trashed off your ass. You wouldn't go out and drive trashed off your ass; you'd wait. Not saying you'd have 8 beers and go on a tear while you were there, but the point stands. Why bother? Ain't worth it. My opinion and my opinion alone, I inserted the two pennies... Nevada has no restrictions for CCW in bars and they dont have any problems. My .02 |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 7:04:12 PM EDT
[#24]
If it doesnt have the 30.06 sign why even inquire? They might be purposely posting signs that keep the sheeple happy, but knowingly allow concealed carry.
Also, you might be putting ideas in their heads about decreeing 30.06 signs in all of their places. In my Texas CHL class it was made clear that only a proper 30.06 sign applied to CHL carriers. Happily ignore non 30.06 compliant signs. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 7:24:49 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted: If it doesnt have the 30.06 sign why even inquire? They might be purposely posting signs that keep the sheeple happy, but knowingly allow concealed carry. That's what I think as well. Cinemark has one them no handgun signs in their box offices. But if you read the fine print it say, "UNLICENSED concealed carry of handguns prohibited" Since I have a license, this sign doesn't pertain to me. Its just for show for all the soccer moms out there. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 7:40:01 PM EDT
[#26]
[B]As long as a business doesn't derive over 51% of their income through alcohol, you can pack.[/B]
And that 51% is for alcohol sold and consumed on premises. Thats why you can carry in a resturant that serves alcohol but not in a bar. The law also requires a red 51(I think) sign posted on or about the front door in plain sight to alert you of this fact. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 7:54:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Bottom line - their sign has no legal precedence, so who cares? If you have your CHL you can pack.
I have spent MANY a 2AM at the Cabana, and I can tell you, I had no business carrying a weapon when I was there! If someone is sober, and want to carry there and then, they can. So whats the beef? If they put up a real 30.06 sign, then that would be a different stroy. It's all about "feel good" policies. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:27:37 PM EDT
[#28]
The signs posted at the ones I eat at here in San Antonio look pretty "real". Taco Cabana sells a *LOT* of margaritas and some beer, so I guess they could claim 51% income from alcohol at some locations.
I doubt that it's due to an anti-gun policy. Remember, restaurant owners also have to deal with the ATF, and it's generally best to err on the side of caution when it comes to complying with alcohol laws. |
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Posted: 5/21/2003 9:43:51 PM EDT
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It is a private business and has the right to refuse service to anyone they want.
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Posted: 5/22/2003 3:47:25 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: It is a private business and has the right to refuse service to anyone they want. NO! You are kidding! Can you prove that???? Here, let me attempt to make my point again. Levi Jeans gives LOTS of money to anti gun groups who want to take ALL guns away from you. Why would you buy Levi products? Taco Cabana says YOU SUCK, you are BAD, THEY DON'T WANT your business. WHY would you go there OR think it's ok for other gun owners to go there? I am so sad to see how many responses are here that say "So What, don's go there dude" and their food sucks etc. Well please remember this when in YOUR lifetime you may find personal gun ownership a memory. Are you even a member of the NRA, GOA etc? It's like saying the president sucks but you don't vote. Small thing, don't sweat it? Their plan is the death of a thousand little cuts. A million lawsuits to bankrupt the gun industry etc. BT |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 4:52:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: The signs posted at the ones I eat at here in San Antonio look pretty "real". Taco Cabana sells a *LOT* of margaritas and some beer, so I guess they could claim 51% income from alcohol at some locations. I doubt that it's due to an anti-gun policy. Remember, restaurant owners also have to deal with the ATF, and it's generally best to err on the side of caution when it comes to complying with alcohol laws. If a business derives 51% or more of it's income from the sale and consumption of alcohol then it's [b]required[/b] by law to post a sign to that effect, the "51%" sign. That sign has the same force of law for a CHL holder as the "30.06" sign. So typically you're OK carrying in restaurants such as Outback, Red Lobster, etc. But it's probably not going to be OK packing in Bennigan's (everyone I've been in has a "51%" sign). edited because I punched the submit before I was done. |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 6:28:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: The Taco Cabanas on Quadalupe, Lamar, and in Cedar Park all have pretty good food and no signs. Where is this one you were in? I haven't seen any signs on the ones on Riverside and William Cannon either. |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 8:57:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: It is a private business and has the right to refuse service to anyone they want. NO! You are kidding! Can you prove that???? Here, let me attempt to make my point again. Levi Jeans gives LOTS of money to anti gun groups who want to take ALL guns away from you. Why would you buy Levi products? Taco Cabana says YOU SUCK, you are BAD, THEY DON'T WANT your business. WHY would you go there OR think it's ok for other gun owners to go there? I am so sad to see how many responses are here that say "So What, don's go there dude" and their food sucks etc. Well please remember this when in YOUR lifetime you may find personal gun ownership a memory. Are you even a member of the NRA, GOA etc? It's like saying the president sucks but you don't vote. Small thing, don't sweat it? Their plan is the death of a thousand little cuts. A million lawsuits to bankrupt the gun industry etc. BT Damn dude, you don't quit do you. A word of advice: Don't come onto a firearm related website and start accusing people of not caring or doing enough about gun laws. You have posted your topic and you got responses that you don't like, but you need to quit attacking people for not seeing it your way. I still don't give a shit that TACO CABANA will not let me pack in their establishments, and I will suggest again that you need to focus your efforts towards things that you have a say in. |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 10:31:53 AM EDT
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Damn dude, you don't quit do you. A word of advice:
Don't come onto a firearm related website and start accusing people of not caring or doing enough about gun laws. You have posted your topic and you got responses that you don't like, but you need to quit attacking people for not seeing it your way. I still don't give a shit that TACO CABANA will not let me pack in their establishments, and I will suggest again that you need to focus your efforts towards things that you have a say in. My last post on this- 1- Many gun owners don't do enough or anything, that's fact. You yourself say you don't care. 2- I DO have a say in things in my State, I've lobbied and helped get laws passed or killed here. Remeber in America there used to be signs saying no Blacks, Irish or Jews in some places but the PUBLIC said no. BT |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 10:47:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: My last post on this- 1- Many gun owners don't do enough or anything, that's fact. You yourself say you don't care. 2- I DO have a say in things in my State, I've lobbied and helped get laws passed or killed here. Remeber in America there used to be signs saying no Blacks, Irish or Jews in some places but the PUBLIC said no. BT Brooks - it's not your work, your position, or your viewpoints that offend people here. It's your attitude. You sound like the kind of gunowner I like. But lighten the f*ck up. Discuss. Give your point of view. But lay off the defense when someone disagrees with you. It damages your otherwise intelligent points. edited to say - Oh, and Welcome! You spend enough time in tx.guns. Come join the dark side. |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 11:25:10 AM EDT
[#36]
Brooks- How old are you?
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Posted: 5/22/2003 11:59:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Well, Taco Cabana's signs are not legal, and they cannot prevent CHL holders from packing in their establishments. I don't care if they put some stupid (illegal) no guns sign. They could put up a No Dogs sign, and I won't call them anti-dog.
Brooks, if you came on here saying you have confirmation that they donate to anti-gun organizations, then I'd back you on some kind of boycott. You're cryin wolf, when all it is, is a little mangy puppy. |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 12:02:35 PM EDT
[#38]
My age? Implying I'm young and ________? Are we going for a personal attack?
I've stated my position and prefer to not turn this into a further protracted argument if that's ok. I'm old enough to be retired from the military BTW. BT |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 12:25:14 PM EDT
[#39]
whatever brooks, I'm tired of you and this post.
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Posted: 5/22/2003 12:26:32 PM EDT
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If the sign is not a 3006 ordinace... screw them the law says you can carry...
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Posted: 5/22/2003 1:13:14 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: If the sign is not a 3006 ordinace... screw them the law says you can carry... Not entirely incorrect. See my post above. As an addendum to this conversation, there also are other [b]legal[/b] forms of giving notice as well as off-limit sites proscribed by law (schools, etc) that don't require signage of any kind. FWIW, BT was given legal notice because he was told not to carry in the establishment by a designated representative of the property owner. |
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Posted: 5/22/2003 10:31:35 PM EDT
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I was in TC today grabbing a cheese enchalada dinner tonight in fact. I looked right at the "no guns" picture in the window and walked right past it. TC is not a 51% (at least the one I go to) business and there's no 30.06 signs anywhere. So screw'em. I sure as hell would not go in there after 10 at night cause the only people in there are drunk gangster punk asses. It's the perfect place to carry.
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