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Posted: 4/20/2016 11:53:02 AM EDT
This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap...
https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/ "Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution." "stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." |
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Umm, signing a document that pretty much ensures your execution in the very real event of a loss to the greatest power in the world is a piss poor way of protecting your status.
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Quoted: This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap... https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/ "Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution." "stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." View Quote A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF. |
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At the core of every puke's political opinion is shame of self and/or country.
Stop calling them "liberals". They're anything but liberal. |
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A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap... https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/ "Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution." "stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF. The sad thing is that isn't even the most ridiculous government salary I've seen. |
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This is how it gets going. Fucks like this make things up and win suits to keep repeating their lies.
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I don't think that tour would have lasted very long if I was on it. fuck that tour guide. hopefully they will fire their ass .
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That piece of shit needs to be shown the door. But since they are a federal employee she'll probably get promoted.
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Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits.
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That piece of shit needs to be shown the door. But since they are a federal employee she'll probably get promoted. View Quote It is very difficult for her to get fired, I would imagine. If she is going to be giving tours of our nation's history, she should have a mandated script to follow and only deviate when there are interesting factoids and information that is true. If I had been on that tour that she gave, I would have been so pissed and called her out on her BS. This kind of stuff is why people are turning to liberal/socialist ways. They don't understand what was sacrificed, what was risked and what it took to wrest our freedoms that we enjoy today from the English Crown. |
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Quoted: A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This imbecile is why Federal Employee have such a bad rap... https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/04/19/philadelphia-story-federal-park-ranger-mocks-constitution-at-its-birthplace/ "Mary A. Hogan, a federal employee making in excess of $95,000 per year in salary and benefits, provided a tour Monday afternoon at Independence Hall laced with factual inaccuracies and disparaging comments about the Founders and the Constitution." "stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." A Park Ranger makes north of $95K per year? WTF. |
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Fuck that pussy and fuck the government for paying him so much money. I live an hour from Philly and don't get paid nearly that much as a mechanical engineer.
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Can't blame her really............That's what she was taught in school.
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What do you expect?
We were in Philadelphia a few weeks ago, and there's basically a fucking shrine to Obama just outside the entrance to the building that houses the Liberty Bell. Somehow, they've made that whole area about "slavery". |
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I would have challenged her had I been on that tour. What a douche bag.
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Quoted: Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? Read much? |
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The destruction of the basic foundations of our society is nothing shocking, anymore.
What is shocking is the lengths so many will go to in order to demand that we adhere to the now outdated playbook of "principled Americana" where we are a melting pot, we are the land of the free and the brave and that we are safe from those who have proven themselves willing and capable of punishing their political enemies. |
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The people running the political & governmental apparati of this country hate the Republic and they hate you.
This isn't news, besides the fact that one was honest enough to say so in public. |
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What do you expect? We were in Philadelphia a few weeks ago, and there's basically a fucking shrine to Obama just outside the entrance to the building that houses the Liberty Bell. Somehow, they've made that whole area about "slavery". View Quote Well, its nice to see the north owning up to their participation in the slave trade. |
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Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Not exactly making bank. In relation to her level of competency and amount of responsibility I'd say she's doing pretty damn well. |
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When I was at the Lincoln Memorial in 2013, a "Park Ranger" was going to everybody to talk about how Lincoln freed the slaves from the south and was way off course on her history lecture. Made me sick that the US Park Service has turned into the propaganda wing for Obama
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Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? Read much? I read it but I've seen the media write the same thing about other civil servant salaries and sometimes include the benefits and sometimes not include them. ETA: And further down there's a post showing that the benfits cost wasn't included in that figure. |
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Quoted: Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? ETA: From Google http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? ETA: From Google http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png according to the website that is her base pay, she is at least a few steps up, plus the location adjustment |
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"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." View Quote Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office. We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate. |
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Meh. An online media source gives second hand information about what a tour guide said. I guess we are supposed to get the pitchforks out now because our "feelz" are hurt?
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When I was at the Lincoln Memorial in 2013, a "Park Ranger" was going to everybody to talk about how Lincoln freed the slaves from the south and was way off course on her history lecture. Made me sick that the US Park Service has turned into the propaganda wing for Obama View Quote Obama isn't to blame for every dumbass thing somebody says. I'm willing to bet that park ranger didn't just finish middle school. |
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According to the website that is her base pay, she is at least a few steps up, plus the location adjustment https://www.federalpay.org/gs/2016 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? ETA: From Google http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png According to the website that is her base pay, she is at least a few steps up, plus the location adjustment https://www.federalpay.org/gs/2016 Thank you. |
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Quoted: Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? ETA: From Google http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? ETA: From Google http://i.imgur.com/ZRmKiCn.png The chart below is from the link in the article - don't know whether it is real or just made up to look realistic. I suppose the Bureau of Labor Statistics would have the correct numbers if I felt like spending the rest of the afternoon looking for them... |
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Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office. We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office. We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate. The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt. I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history. |
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Idiots everywhere. The main point was it didn't favor a distant King.
Crowder should interview her. Maybe she can explain the phases of the moon. |
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The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt. I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office. We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate. The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt. I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history. The founding of America is effectively a mythos, not a historical event. |
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There's nothing "elite status" about being hung from the neck until dead by a bunch of red coats. Those "elites" put EVERYTHING on the line in 1776. How much land and money would the sons of liberty have if the British had won? None. Freedom loving people should thank God every single day that the Founders did what they did, regardless of the motivations. I don't care if it was Marty McFly blasting van halen into Thomas Jefferson's ears with a Walkman, it was right and extremely high risk.
Frankly, personal reward / profit from a successful revolution was minimal. Most of these guys were already rich / famous under the British... what do you personally gain by starting a revolution? More land and fame? Hardly tips the scales compared to bring hung and and all your seats seized. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Umm, signing a document that pretty much ensures your execution in the very real event of a loss to the greatest power in the world is a piss poor way of protecting your status. View Quote Not to mention more than a few of the founders gave their fortunes,their sons,their lives that other generations might know freedom...some of the so called "elite" died penniless and landless after having made their fortunes...gave all that others might be free... Obviously our government needs to be cut by 90% starting with her job |
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Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Is her pay alone $95k or is that figure adding in the cost of health, etc. benefits? Read much? Actually it probably is without. GS-12 in Phili area ranges from 75,900-98,669 base salary. |
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The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt. I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office. We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate. The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt. I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history. The Progressive era (1890-1920) in this country necessitated a re-writing of history in order to make any inroads. So it shouldn't be a surprise that he would warp history to fit the Progressive mold with his 1913 book. Progressives have always been about lies and half-truths. 1913 was also the period which saw the inclusion of the "Progressive Amendments" to the Constitution: The Sixteenth Amendment gave the federal government the power to lay and collect an income tax regardless of the source of that income. It was ratified February 3, 1913. The Seventeenth Amendment provided for the direct election of Senators by the people rather than by the state legislatures as the original Constitution called for. The seventeenth amendment was ratified two months after the sixteenth, on April 8, 1913 I think the butthurt is from having to listen to the refuted lies of the Progressives of 1913 delivered as "fact" in 2016. |
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"stunned a group of tourists this week by telling them the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence were the product of "class elites who were just out to protect their privileged status." Believe it or not, I've got an acquaintance who's a NEOCON who has said this almost word for word as a point of pride back around 2012. This was in addition to saying people like those in the Tea Party, people like me and you, shouldn't be allowed to hold office. We aren't just fighting those on the other side of the political debate. The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt. I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history. The founding of America is effectively a mythos, not a historical event. Go on.... |
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The argument that the founders were largely (or even primarily) motivated by personal and financial interests has been around for over a century. (See Charles Beard's "An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution," published in 1913.) Of course, most people here aren't actual students of history and are not familiar with the past hundred years of historiography, so they hear secondhand information about someone relating this point and get all butthurt. I don't fully agree with Beard's ideas, nor most of those by historians who have carried aspects of his interpretations forward. But this is nothing new to people who study Constitutional history. The founding of America is effectively a mythos, not a historical event. Go on.... Nations have founding myths. Ours just happens to be more recent than others. The idea of our founding as propagated to Americans through our culture isn't based on serious historical study. We wouldn't be teaching kids that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and never told a lie if we were concerned with historical accuracy. |
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In relation to her level of competency and amount of responsibility I'd say she's doing pretty damn well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hogan is listed as a GS-12 employee on the federal pay scale and earns at least $95,000 in salary and benefits. Not exactly making bank. In relation to her level of competency and amount of responsibility I'd say she's doing pretty damn well. Yeah that's true. She's a dingbat. |
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