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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:48:53 PM EDT

I'm just curious how this pans out in layman's terms. I know we have some pretty knowledgeable folks in gd, maybe someone could explain and expound on this for me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:33:00 PM EDT

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I just read the Wikipedia page, and decided that I'm too old and too dumb to ever understand it.

Shit like that makes my brain sore, so I'm out.

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:37:08 PM EDT

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I lost it starting at "a four-dimensional manifold" from the wiki page

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:38:42 PM EDT

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Useless theoretical science.

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:44:10 PM EDT

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seems to be a way of modeling Space-time... such that the weird effects of Relativity modeled as the warping of space-time in other models are done away with.

... That's just my read on it from your wiki link. I had never heard of it.

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:52:35 PM EDT

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seems to be a way of modeling Space-time... such that the weird effects of Relativity modeled as the warping of space-time in other models are done away with.

... That's just my read on it from your wiki link. I had never heard of it.

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I stumbled on it tonight, having never heard of it before. Relativity, quantum mechanics, that sort of thing really piques my curiosity. I think - and I could be off - the ideas here theorize a way to pinpoint not only a physical location of an event but also a chronological "point" that adheres to a repeatable mathematical equation. I'm just hoping/curious if anyone here can maybe explain the idea in a more palatable way.

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:57:18 PM EDT

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Interesting.

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:58:40 PM EDT

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I think that's how Gundams are fueled.

Posted: 9/2/2015 9:59:05 PM EDT

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Paper/theory that got somebody a PHd, has no basis in provable anything except ancillary tings that "might have been proven" by other people who papers and got PHds.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:00:24 PM EDT

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Misread title, this isn't the Gundam thread I expected

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:04:31 PM EDT

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Your "time" perception is based upon your location in space.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:07:34 PM EDT

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Does this tie into the train/guillotine paradox someone else posted not so long ago? Also, does perception equal reality (as in quantum immortality/suicide), or does reality simply exist in spite of an outside witness?

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:07:57 PM EDT

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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:08:50 PM EDT

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Paper/theory that got somebody a PHd, has no basis in provable anything except ancillary tings that "might have been proven" by other people who papers and got PHds.

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Um, actually it's "PhD".

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:11:07 PM EDT

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This is the stuff LSD was for.......

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:11:09 PM EDT

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Yeah I've had trouble understanding it too. Although if you understand Minkowski space you can understand how objects falling into a black hole take a finite amount of time to fall in from their perspective rather than the infinite amount of time that they appear to take from the perspective of an external observer. The way I understand it, if an object's light cone doesn't intersect your worldline(sounds kinda dirty

) then you can't have an awareness of what happens to it. Then again I don't have a Ph.D in this stuff

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:17:16 PM EDT

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It says that everything happens at once, but because of the distribution across 4 dimensions, we see it as a linear procession through time.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:22:04 PM EDT

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It has been said that "Time is nature's way of making sure that everything doesn't happen at once."

The same sage also said "Death is nature's way of telling us to slow down."

Take them for what they are worth.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:22:21 PM EDT

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It's what warp bubbles are formed of.

Duh.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:25:37 PM EDT

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That model could exist in a constant hypersurface.

Time becomes a still body. No beginning, no end. Yet, neatly confined in its non-adiabatic function.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:26:02 PM EDT

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Your "time" perception is based upon your location in space.

Does this tie into the train/guillotine paradox someone else posted not so long ago? Also, does perception equal reality (as in quantum immortality/suicide), or does reality simply exist in spite of an outside witness?

You have to reverse the way you look at time and the universe, and light.

Think of it like this. Light is destroyed the moment is created from it's perspective. It almost doesn't exist in space-time.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:41:00 PM EDT

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I'm just curious how this pans out in layman's terms. I know we have some pretty knowledgeable folks in gd, maybe someone could explain and expound on this for me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space

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A) basically, this states that the "distance" of an event in space-time takes both euclidean distance and the speed of light in to consideration simultaneously.

B) So if you observe a very fast object on the planet Earth, you will see the event as you expect to see the event.

C) However if you observe the same effect at the event horizon of a black hole, while the even will transpire just as before as seen from its own reference frame, since you are "distant" from the event, it will take place much more slowly in your reference frame due to the distance being constantly created by the event horizon of the black hole.

D) for those of us who will never get above 1/2 the speed of light, nor pass by extremely dense objects, this theory adds only noise to Newtonian mechanics.

Posted: 9/2/2015 10:46:10 PM EDT

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A) basically, this states that the "distance" of an event in space-time takes both euclidean distance and the speed of light in to consideration simultaneously.

B) So if you observe a very fast object on the planet Earth, you will see the event as you expect to see the event.

C) However if you observe the same effect at the event horizon of a black hole, while the even will transpire just as before as seen from its own reference frame, since you are "distant" from the event, it will take place much more slowly in your reference frame due to the distance being constantly created by the event horizon of the black hole.

D) for those of us who will never get above 1/2 the speed of light, nor pass by extremely dense objects, this theory adds only noise to Newtonian mechanics.

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I'm just curious how this pans out in layman's terms. I know we have some pretty knowledgeable folks in gd, maybe someone could explain and expound on this for me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_space

A) basically, this states that the "distance" of an event in space-time takes both euclidean distance and the speed of light in to consideration simultaneously.

B) So if you observe a very fast object on the planet Earth, you will see the event as you expect to see the event.

C) However if you observe the same effect at the event horizon of a black hole, while the even will transpire just as before as seen from its own reference frame, since you are "distant" from the event, it will take place much more slowly in your reference frame due to the distance being constantly created by the event horizon of the black hole.

D) for those of us who will never get above 1/2 the speed of light, nor pass by extremely dense objects, this theory adds only noise to Newtonian mechanics.

How fast is neural system transfers?