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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:17:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:20:44 PM EDT
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$$$ This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:21:18 PM EDT
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Wow, China has over a billion more people than the U.S.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:22:01 PM EDT
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20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:23:10 PM EDT
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... others major super powers ... 
there are no other super powers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:23:51 PM EDT
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20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types. They are. They're lumping in the escorts with the supercarriers |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:25:19 PM EDT
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20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types. they almost certainly are. Have you seen what the rest of the world counts as an "aircraft carrier"? |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:26:01 PM EDT
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Found this to be quite interesting if accurate, according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not? What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war. The Numbers The US already owns the seas. We have since 1945, not that we meant to. Why doesn't Russia put more emphasis on sea power? Ever looked at Russia's geogrpahy? It blows. They have almost no access to the seas. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:31:08 PM EDT
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The US already owns the seas. We have since 1945, not that we meant to. Why doesn't Russia put more emphasis on sea power? Ever looked at Russia's geogrpahy? It blows. They have almost no access to the seas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Found this to be quite interesting if accurate, according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not? What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war. The Numbers The US already owns the seas. We have since 1945, not that we meant to. Why doesn't Russia put more emphasis on sea power? Ever looked at Russia's geogrpahy? It blows. They have almost no access to the seas. And the few ports they do own in the Black Sea are practically worthless since the Bosporus is controlled by Turkey, our "ally". |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:32:47 PM EDT
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they almost certainly are. Have you seen what the rest of the world counts as an "aircraft carrier"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types. they almost certainly are. Have you seen what the rest of the world counts as an "aircraft carrier"? Ha. Yeah I have a pretty good idea.....I also don't consider those aircraft carriers. Semantics I guess. There is Nimitz class aircraft carriers and there are ships that sometimes have a few mediocre aircraft onboard. That'll change with the F-35. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:33:40 PM EDT
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Found this to be quite interesting if accurate, according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not? What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war. The Numbers True that other navies are not as big as ours but there is a fundamental difference in naval doctrine. The Soviet Union started this trend but many countries still use it. Basically they believe in cruise missiles over aircraft when it comes to naval warfare. If you look at the Russian navy for instance you can see almost all of there ships are equipped with long range ship to ship missiles. Also of note is the large emphasis on submarines which are also equipped with ship to ship missiles that can be fired with out surfacing. Whether this is a good strategy or not is up to debate but they might think it makes up for the lack of aircraft carriers. Edit: Also of note almost all of our combat ships have some sort of anti missile defense system. You can thank the Soviet Union for that 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:34:37 PM EDT
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This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$$$ This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. "One of?" Our economy is over twice the size of any other single country. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:36:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:42:47 PM EDT
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The Chinese are worried about our Navy, they have been developin this. Old article. I bet we can counter them.
http://m.usni.org/news-and-features/chinese-kill-weapon I dont know how many different ASCM China has developed We have our counter missle in the works already. http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-navys-smart-new-stealth-anti-ship-missile-can-plan-1666079462 |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:42:51 PM EDT
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Aircraft Carriers (10):
The Enterprise was decommissioned in 2012, leaving us with the 10 Nimitz-class carriers, of which one (the Abraham Lincoln currently) is always undergoing 3-4 year "refueling and complex overhaul". The Gerald R. Ford is scheduled to be commissioned next year. Amphibious Assault Ships (9): They just decomissioned the Peleliu last month, the last of the Tarawa-class LHA's. That leaves us with 8 Wasp-class LHD's and the America. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:47:26 PM EDT
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Honestly? The US is so far beyond any other country it's rediculious. Only a few decades ago we provided the military defense for half of Europe while still engaging in a few major wars elsewhere.
The US will remain the worlds foremost superpower for quite some time, even on autopilot. Even China will need to do some serious overhaul to enter the same league we were in 50 years ago. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:47:54 PM EDT
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20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types. They are .. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:49:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "One of?" Our economy is over twice the size of any other single country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: $$$ This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. "One of?" Our economy is over twice the size of any other single country. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:52:07 PM EDT
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Other countries don't have huge naval forces because they are smart enough not to be going all over the world getting fights that are not theirs.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:55:08 PM EDT
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I would think about the only way a foreign power could stop the Navy would be through use of Nuclear force. But that would lead to full scale nuclear retaliation
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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:56:27 PM EDT
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Because they have different ambitions, the US keeps the sea lanes pretty safe and they just do not feel the need to bring freedom to muslims worldwide but prefer to focus mostly on defending their own territory instead of invasions on other continents.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:02:24 PM EDT
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Because they have different ambitions, the US keeps the sea lanes pretty safe and they just do not feel the need to bring freedom to muslims worldwide but prefer to focus mostly on defending their own territory instead of invasions on other continents. Ahhh, the Ukrainian strategy 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:07:29 PM EDT
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Russia has the following ports listed as container ports, but traffic is very minimal with the ones other than the big ports that appear first on the list. They have only a handful of active ports that have heavy traffic throughout the year.
North Sea-frozen most of the year, not many trade partners sending freight into the Arctic Ocean Archangelsk Gulf of Finland (at mercy of Finland, Sweden, Denmark, etc.) Sainkt Petersburg Kaliningrad Exclave between Poland and Lithuania, not bordered with Russia Baltyisk Kaliningrad Black Sea (at mercy of Turkey) Taganrog Novorossiysk Sochi The following are 9-10 time zones away from Moscow Sea of Japan (mercy of Japan) Vladivostok hub: Posyet Vladivostok Nakhodka Vastochny Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk Island (former Japanese territory) Kholmsk Korsakov Sea of Okhotsk Magadan Kamchatka Peninsula Petropavlosk-Kamchatsky Chukotsky Avtonomyy Okrug (Near Alaska) Anadyr Sea Ports of Russia |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:17:30 PM EDT
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Because they have different ambitions, the US keeps the sea lanes pretty safe and they just do not feel the need to bring freedom to muslims worldwide but prefer to focus mostly on defending their own territory instead of invasions on other continents. Ahhh, the Ukrainian strategy Invading the neighbors doesn't require all that much, I've advocated adding Canada to our collective for some time 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:19:50 PM EDT
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Found this to be quite interesting if accurate, according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not? What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war. The Numbers Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers. The U.S. has 10 aircraft carriers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:20:59 PM EDT
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Quote Historyat mercy of Finland, Sweden, Denmark that made me chuckle
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:21:42 PM EDT
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20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types. They are .. NIMITZ STENNIS VINSON WASHINGTON LINCOLN TRUMAN ROOSEVELT EISENHOWER REAGAN BUSH And LINCOLN is in refueling for another 2 years or so). |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:22:50 PM EDT
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Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers. You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:24:26 PM EDT
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You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers. You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past. How many can they carry? What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD? |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:27:40 PM EDT
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How many can they carry? What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers. You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past. How many can they carry? What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD? 20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:33:43 PM EDT
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20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers. You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past. How many can they carry? What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD? 20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers. That's more than I thought. Is that with no helos? |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:41:19 PM EDT
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That's more than I thought. Is that with no helos? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many can they carry? What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD? 20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers. That's more than I thought. Is that with no helos? Yes, that's a full load of F-35B's and nothing else (maybe a TRAP bird or two). Typical configuration will be more like 6 F-35's. There's an article somewhere, but I can't find it right now. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:53:34 PM EDT
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This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$$$ This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. and a 18 Trillion credit card tab buys a lot of shit 
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Posted: 4/30/2015 9:09:42 PM EDT
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and a 18 Trillion credit card tab buys a lot of shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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$$$ This. Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet. and a 18 Trillion credit card tab buys a lot of shit The US being the worlds largest creditor, the the linchpin of just about every economy on earth, and having the worlds largest HIGH TECH military, leaves us with a UNLIMITED amount of credit, as no one can face us. For now. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 9:42:09 PM EDT
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Wow, China has over a billion more people than the U.S. China (and India) have more college graduates than we have people. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 9:45:05 PM EDT
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China (and India) have more college graduates than we have people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow, China has over a billion more people than the U.S. China (and India) have more college graduates than we have people. No shortage of targets then. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 12:50:02 AM EDT
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Yes, that's a full load of F-35B's and nothing else (maybe a TRAP bird or two). Typical configuration will be more like 6 F-35's. There's an article somewhere, but I can't find it right now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How many can they carry? What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD? 20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers. That's more than I thought. Is that with no helos? Yes, that's a full load of F-35B's and nothing else (maybe a TRAP bird or two). Typical configuration will be more like 6 F-35's. There's an article somewhere, but I can't find it right now. That's more along the lines of what I was thinking. |
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