Just released notice .... ATF intends to reclassify and ban "armor piercing" ammo including M855

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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:09:18 PM EDT

"Some ammunition that was previously exempted as “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes,” specifically 5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges, will again be regulated as “armor piercing ammunition.” Except as provided by law, no person may manufacture or import such ammunition, and manufacturers or importers may not sell or deliver such ammunition. ATF will maintain the exemption for 30-06 M2AP cartridges

Proposed change to ATF regulatory framework for "armor piercing" ammunition

Link

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Library/Notices/atf_framework_for_determining_whether_certain_projectiles_are_primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf

In summary it's similar to the Sig Brace ruling...because a bad guy might use it in an AR15 pistol, it should be viewed as a non-sporting product- Intent of the user defines the potential illegality. Read the entire document and it is pretty clear that they intend to push more of this type of initiative.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:11:32 PM EDT

[#1]

FBO and In.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:11:40 PM EDT

[#2]

I litterally just threw my fucking phone across the room.

this is full of fuck.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:12:37 PM EDT

[#3]

Well, that's not good.
Fuck.

Good god I hate the fucking government

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:13:13 PM EDT

[#4]

Retaliation for the loss in TX.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:14:18 PM EDT

[#5]

Cheap 5.56

Anddddd it's gone..

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:14:47 PM EDT

[#6]

Guess I need to buy some more before it's too late.

Fuck the ATF.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:15:12 PM EDT

[#7]

Start calling your Congress critters and demanding some action on this shit or every rifle caliber round will be next.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:15:37 PM EDT

[#8]

Damn, I just sold 900rds of it Tuesday night

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:16:13 PM EDT

[#9]

FUCK!

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:16:16 PM EDT

[#10]

They already proved they can do whatever the fuck they want with 7n6.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:17:15 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
"Some ammunition that was previously exempted as “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes,” specifically 5.56mm constituent projectiles of SS109 and M855 cartridges, will again be regulated as “armor piercing ammunition.” Except as provided by law, no person may manufacture or import such ammunition, and manufacturers or importers may not sell or deliver such ammunition. ATF will maintain the exemption for 30-06 M2AP cartridges

Proposed change to ATF regulatory framework for "armor piercing" ammunition

Link

http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Library/Notices/atf_framework_for_determining_whether_certain_projectiles_are_primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf

In summary it's similar to the Sig Brace ruling...because a bad guy might use it in an AR15 pistol, it should be viewed as a non-sporting product- Intent of the user defines the potential illegality. Read the entire document and it is pretty clear that they intend to push more of this type of initiative.

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Every fucking year this happens.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:17:45 PM EDT

[#12]

NECKBEARDS !

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:17:51 PM EDT

[#13]

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:17:53 PM EDT

[#14]

Wtf...

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:18:04 PM EDT

[#15]

"Working behind the scenes"

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:18:08 PM EDT

[#16]

Fuck Obama.

Fuck the BATFE, and all the traitors that work there.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:18:14 PM EDT

[#17]

What a bunch of fucktards, long since time Americans get their act together and march on Washington for all the bullshit, not just this...

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:18:42 PM EDT

[#18]

Yay!

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:18:50 PM EDT

[#19]

"sporting purposes"
What a crock of shit. Fuck those assholes. Im sure THEY will have plenty.
Incrementalism at its finest.
Assholes.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:19:15 PM EDT

[#20]

Prerequisites for democide being met...

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:19:53 PM EDT

[#21]

fuck em right in the mouth.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:20:06 PM EDT

[#22]

WTF? I just received 1k, guess I'm in for another

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:20:20 PM EDT

[#23]

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What a bunch of fucktards, long since time Americans get their act together and march on Washington for all the bullshit, not just this...

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When they actually start killing people in the streets, maybe then, maybe

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:20:48 PM EDT

[#24]

FOR FURTHER
INFORMATION CONTACT:
Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and
Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives,
U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070..

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:21:00 PM EDT

[#25]

So is this talking about all 5.56 FMJ ammo? Or just M855? Would .22 call FMJ bullets for reloading be fucked too?

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:21:00 PM EDT

[#26]

I ve been saying for years they are not coming after the guns, they are coming after the ammo.

FBHO

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:22:23 PM EDT

[#27]

NRA, hello?

This is something we need you to address, post haste.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:22:43 PM EDT

[#28]

Fuck Obama

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:22:50 PM EDT

[#29]

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So is this talking about all 5.56 FMJ ammo? Or just M855? Would .22 call FMJ bullets for reloading be fucked too?

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Steel core 5.56 is what I gather.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:23:12 PM EDT

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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:23:23 PM EDT

[#31]

Fucking ATF. Like they haven't screwed up enough shit lately.

Any way to get the NRA to make a stink about this?

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:23:39 PM EDT

[#32]

is this official or just a proposal atm?

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:24:15 PM EDT

[#33]

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Start calling your Congress critters and demanding some action on this shit or every rifle caliber round will be next.

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Exactly.
Do it people...please.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:24:31 PM EDT

[#34]

Jesus I'm sick of the term "sporting purpose"

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:25:08 PM EDT

[#35]

M193 > M855 anyway, unless if you're planning on shooting Soviet helmets.

There are many options out there, but agreed about cheap 5.56 being gone. This gives me an excuse to go to Cabela's and get some more.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:25:18 PM EDT

[#36]

and, the price on the green tip is only going one direction, people want want they can not have or won't be able to get in the future.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:25:56 PM EDT

[#37]

I guess they don't know XM193 is better?

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:26:49 PM EDT

[#38]

M855 sucks anyhow....

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:26:50 PM EDT

[#39]

I wonder, has a single police officer ever been shot with an AR pistol? I just read the entire thing, and their rationale is that when they granted the exemption in 1986, there were no AR pistols...now that there are then they need to ban import/manufacture.

Stupid standard. The mere presence of a handgun that can chamber a rifle cartridge shouldn't make it armor piercing pistol ammo.

Weak-bitch Congress needs to repeal that stupid statute, but we know they won't.

Fuck the ATF.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:26:54 PM EDT

[#40]

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I guess they don't know XM193 is better?

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What makes you think they'll stop there if they succeed?

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:27:00 PM EDT

[#41]

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M193 > M855 anyway, unless if you're planning on shooting Soviet helmets.

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That's not the point...

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:28:14 PM EDT

[#42]

In on one. FBHO and fuck the atf.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:28:18 PM EDT

[#43]

Pssst. M855 is the new .22

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:28:40 PM EDT

[#44]

ATF FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHETHER
CERTAIN PROJECTILES ARE “PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR SPORTING PURPOSES” WITHIN THE MEANING OF 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C)

To protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended, prohibits the import, manufacture, and distribution of “armor piercing ammunition” as defined by the statute

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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:29:27 PM EDT

[#45]

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is this official or just a proposal atm?

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This? There is a big difference..

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:29:27 PM EDT

[#46]

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:29:44 PM EDT

[#47]

Motherfucking in.

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:30:00 PM EDT

[#48]

when in the fuck did people fall into the completely assfuked notion that the 2nd amendment has to do with sporting and hunting. fuck, so sick of this bullshit

Posted: 2/13/2015 10:30:11 PM EDT

[#49]

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ATF FRAMEWORK FOR DETERMINING WHETHER
CERTAIN PROJECTILES ARE “PRIMARILY INTENDED FOR SPORTING PURPOSES” WITHIN THE MEANING OF 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(C)

To protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), as amended, prohibits the import, manufacture, and distribution of “armor piercing ammunition” as defined by the statute

So - this only applies to handgun ammo?