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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:05:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:06:38 PM EDT
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How am I supposed to enjoy this white box?
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:06:59 PM EDT
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You saying we're all white??
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:08:30 PM EDT
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What is it about the 7th time this has been posted?
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:24:37 PM EDT
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Claimed extra stopping power of the 40cal and 45acp is just theoretical.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:29:09 PM EDT
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9 mm Luger - 450 Joules
40 SW - 475 Joules 45 Auto - 485 Joules What do we learn from this small sample? All three rounds produce about the same energy at the muzzle, but .40SW is gay because it costs and recoils more. How do I know that the difference between 450 Joules and 475 or 480 Joules is insignificant? .223 - 1,740 Joules .308 - 3,550 Joules Because rifle rounds make pistol rounds look gay. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:30:03 PM EDT
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.40 is a gimmick.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:30:06 PM EDT
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I kiled a Chupacabra with a .22 lr. Pretty good stuff there.
-JC |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:31:26 PM EDT
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9 mm Luger - 450 Joules 40 SW - 475 Joules 45 Auto - 485 Joules What do we learn from this small sample? All three rounds produce about the same energy at the muzzle, but .40SW is gay because it costs and recoils more. How do I know that the difference between 450 Joules and 475 or 480 Joules is insignificant? .223 - 1,740 Joules .308 - 3,550 Joules Because rifle rounds make pistol rounds look gay. Yup. Comparing pistol calibers is like comparing little league teams. They all suck about the same. 
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:34:11 PM EDT
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How did we ever survive before the .40 Smith and Wesson came along?
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:34:52 PM EDT
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Dudes got a nice place, other than being exploited by the baby killing far right I wonder what his day job is.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:35:15 PM EDT
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How did we ever survive before the .40 Smith and Wesson came along? 9mm , same as now. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:35:27 PM EDT
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I like it.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:38:29 PM EDT
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.40 is a gimmick. I felt the same way, but after seeing how things have been the last 6 months, I'll be adding a M&P .40 to the collection. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:39:30 PM EDT
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I carry a 40s&w because I can ALWAYS find ammo on the shelf for it... I can't say that about 9 or 45...
- Clint |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:43:07 PM EDT
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More boolits is more bettah
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:43:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: 9 mm Luger - 450 Joules 40 SW - 475 Joules 45 Auto - 485 Joules What do we learn from this small sample? All three rounds produce about the same energy at the muzzle, but .40SW is gay because it costs and recoils more. How do I know that the difference between 450 Joules and 475 or 480 Joules is insignificant? .223 - 1,740 Joules .308 - 3,550 Joules Because rifle rounds make pistol rounds look gay. Yup. Comparing pistol calibers is like comparing little league teams. They all suck about the same. http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/Handgun_gel_comparison.jpg 
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:43:28 PM EDT
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I just like 9mm best and it doesn't matter if it's the P226 or 92F with 18 round mags,middle of the road 12 round S&W or the single stack 239,PPS or P7.Some days I'll carry an old Star BKS,just coz,or a G19 for the same reason.
If I really thought bigger was better I'd want an SO that weighs 210 rather than 110. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:44:38 PM EDT
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Hilarious! I carry a G19 and 2 additional G17 mags loaded with 124 grn NATO. No whiz bang +p+ or $2,000 1911. Just a compact 9mm Glock and regular FMJ rounds. Reliability + Individual Performance = Carry gun win.
Granted one round off the cheek bone night not vaporize a BG's melon, but said BG likely cease whatever it was he was doing that caused my to draw and shoot. I'm good with that. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:49:13 PM EDT
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I kiled a Chupacabra with a .22 lr. Pretty good stuff there. -JC It's all about shot placement. Shot Placement. Shot placement. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:50:39 PM EDT
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I got tons of pussy in the back seat of my Toyota Corrola
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:52:30 PM EDT
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I agree with some of it, disagree with some. Some of it probably went over my head too. That guy is sharp though. Has some superb pro 2A vids.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:54:46 PM EDT
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I got tons of pussy in the back seat of my Toyota Corrola I never had a Toyota, but my Mustang was a winner. Had a lot of fun in it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:54:58 PM EDT
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Hilarious! I carry a G19 and 2 additional G17 mags loaded with 124 grn NATO. No whiz bang +p+ or $2,000 1911. Just a compact 9mm Glock and regular FMJ rounds. Reliability + Individual Performance = Carry gun win. Granted one round off the cheek bone night not vaporize a BG's melon, but said BG likely cease whatever it was he was doing that caused my to draw and shoot. I'm good with that. Can't tell if serious about fmj... 
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Posted: 5/26/2013 1:59:52 PM EDT
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Jesus, 10mm looks promising in that lil' chart there...
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:09:20 PM EDT
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How am I supposed to enjoy this white box? I often enjoy white box. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:12:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Jesus, 10mm looks promising in that lil' chart there... Here's another one to seal the deal for you.  |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:20:12 PM EDT
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fuck
I carry a g19 with a g17mag and a toyota corolla 
Thats why that condom in my wallet is so old 
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:29:43 PM EDT
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Hilarious! I carry a G19 and 2 additional G17 mags loaded with 124 grn NATO. No whiz bang +p+ or $2,000 1911. Just a compact 9mm Glock and regular FMJ rounds. Reliability + Individual Performance = Carry gun win. Granted one round off the cheek bone night not vaporize a BG's melon, but said BG likely cease whatever it was he was doing that caused my to draw and shoot. I'm good with that. Can't tell if serious about fmj... Completely, it's what I train with therefore it's what I carry. I understand the HP, +p+, hydrashok, nuclear tipped thing but I don't understand why some people train with one round yet carry another. My chose my carry pistol and it's ammo to eliminate variables that could lead to failure, IE missing my target or having some kind of mechanical problem with the pistol itself. If I pull it I want to know, with as much certainty as possible, that it will work the way I expect it to. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:31:44 PM EDT
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.40 is a gimmick. Creates a more than sufficient wound channel. I don't feel out gunned. Not one bit. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:34:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yup. Comparing pistol calibers is like comparing little league teams. They all suck about the same. A head shot in any of those calibers will do the trick... |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:41:11 PM EDT
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More boolits is more bettah Shoot outs. They don't call 'em 'a couple of pop shotouts'. Exchange of gunfire----> more bullets-----> more better. I can't imagine anything sucking more than dying from running out of ammo/ reloads in a shootout. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:46:05 PM EDT
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Yup. Comparing pistol calibers is like comparing little league teams. They all suck about the same. http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/Handgun_gel_comparison.jpg A head shot in any of those calibers will do the trick... Not according to Gabby Giffords. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:48:49 PM EDT
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Hilarious! I carry a G19 and 2 additional G17 mags loaded with 124 grn NATO. No whiz bang +p+ or $2,000 1911. Just a compact 9mm Glock and regular FMJ rounds. Reliability + Individual Performance = Carry gun win. Granted one round off the cheek bone night not vaporize a BG's melon, but said BG likely cease whatever it was he was doing that caused my to draw and shoot. I'm good with that. Can't tell if serious about fmj... Completely, it's what I train with therefore it's what I carry. I understand the HP, +p+, hydrashok, nuclear tipped thing but I don't understand why some people train with one round yet carry another. My chose my carry pistol and it's ammo to eliminate variables that could lead to failure, IE missing my target or having some kind of mechanical problem with the pistol itself. If I pull it I want to know, with as much certainty as possible, that it will work the way I expect it to. Buy 500 rounds of quality JHP ammo. Run 200 through your carry piece to ensure reliability and POA/POI. Carry the JHP and train with the FMJ. It's not that hard, and you're kidding yourself if you think you aren't sacrificing a lot of effectiveness doing it your way. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:49:51 PM EDT
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Yup. Comparing pistol calibers is like comparing little league teams. They all suck about the same. http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/Handgun_gel_comparison.jpg A head shot in any of those calibers will do the trick... Not according to Gabby Giffords. Stopped her assaulting everyone's ears the rest of that day. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:50:27 PM EDT
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Not necessarily. Pistols really aren't really that great for quickly ending the threat no matter where you hit them. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:55:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: How did we ever survive before the .40 Smith and Wesson came along? Handgun effectiveness was not what we thought it was, and we did not know the things we know now, nor did we have the design and technology that we have in bullets today. The .40 was, and is just fine. The emotional reaction of the knuckle dragging troglodytes that crow about it being stupid stem from some innate desire to make themselves feel more superior, in order to mask their own inferiorities, whether they be physical, mental, or in practical application of said weapons. Or they're just trolling GD...I don't know. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:55:13 PM EDT
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The thing about pistol calibers is that nobody argues about .357.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:56:06 PM EDT
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Hilarious! I carry a G19 and 2 additional G17 mags loaded with 124 grn NATO. No whiz bang +p+ or $2,000 1911. Just a compact 9mm Glock and regular FMJ rounds. Reliability + Individual Performance = Carry gun win. Granted one round off the cheek bone night not vaporize a BG's melon, but said BG likely cease whatever it was he was doing that caused my to draw and shoot. I'm good with that. Can't tell if serious about fmj... Completely, it's what I train with therefore it's what I carry. I understand the HP, +p+, hydrashok, nuclear tipped thing but I don't understand why some people train with one round yet carry another. My chose my carry pistol and it's ammo to eliminate variables that could lead to failure, IE missing my target or having some kind of mechanical problem with the pistol itself. If I pull it I want to know, with as much certainty as possible, that it will work the way I expect it to. Buy 500 rounds of quality JHP ammo. Run 200 through your carry piece to ensure reliability and POA/POI. Carry the JHP and train with the FMJ. It's not that hard, and you're kidding yourself if you think you aren't sacrificing a lot of effectiveness doing it your way. I shoot mainly reloaded plated RN .45 all the time, but I sure as shit will not carry it. Pretty similar to above, I bought about 400 rounds of Winchester Ranger RA45T, shot 300 of it to make sure it was reliable and POA/POI was the same, and use it as a carry ammo. It is not that I do not my reloads to be reliable, it is that a JHP performs better in tissue, and the fact that my backstop may not be FMJ friendly if I ever have to use my carry gun. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:58:51 PM EDT
[#39]
Chili with beans !
-JC |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:59:38 PM EDT
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Hilarious! I carry a G19 and 2 additional G17 mags loaded with 124 grn NATO. No whiz bang +p+ or $2,000 1911. Just a compact 9mm Glock and regular FMJ rounds. Reliability + Individual Performance = Carry gun win. Granted one round off the cheek bone night not vaporize a BG's melon, but said BG likely cease whatever it was he was doing that caused my to draw and shoot. I'm good with that. Can't tell if serious about fmj... Completely, it's what I train with therefore it's what I carry. I understand the HP, +p+, hydrashok, nuclear tipped thing but I don't understand why some people train with one round yet carry another. My chose my carry pistol and it's ammo to eliminate variables that could lead to failure, IE missing my target or having some kind of mechanical problem with the pistol itself. If I pull it I want to know, with as much certainty as possible, that it will work the way I expect it to. 50 Cent was shot 9 times with 9mm FMJ and he didn't drop. At least one round hit him in the jaw even. If those were hollow point rounds he wouldn't be alive today. You really should carry HP if at all possible. 50 Cent is living proof that FMJ sucks horse cock. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 2:59:45 PM EDT
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9 mm Luger - 450 Joules 40 SW - 475 Joules 45 Auto - 485 Joules What do we learn from this small sample? All three rounds produce about the same energy at the muzzle, but .40SW is gay because it costs and recoils more. How do I know that the difference between 450 Joules and 475 or 480 Joules is insignificant? .223 - 1,740 Joules .308 - 3,550 Joules Because rifle rounds make pistol rounds look gay. Yup. Comparing pistol calibers is like comparing little league teams. They all suck about the same. http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/Handgun_gel_comparison.jpg I've always wondered about this picture. How old is this chart and what HP ammo did they use? I've seen 4 layers of denim into gel tests that would contradict what's in this chart in expansion, temporary cavity and depth in a few calibers and brands of modern HP ammo. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:01:16 PM EDT
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Full of win. He is good!
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:05:18 PM EDT
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.40 is a gimmick. Creates a more than sufficient wound channel. I don't feel out gunned. Not one bit. You're always outgunned with a pistol. No pistol in the world is as effective as a rifle or shotgun. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:07:04 PM EDT
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Chili with beans ! -JC FUck yes! And 9mm because I don't have a tiny penis that I need to make up for. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:08:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm sold on 10mm now.Quoted: Jesus, 10mm looks promising in that lil' chart there... Here's another one to seal the deal for you. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:18:09 PM EDT
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I went with 9mm because the practice ammo is much cheaper than .40 or .45, and I don't think there is a massive difference in effectiveness when using quality, bonded bullets
between the three. More ammo per training dollar means more training. More training should mean more rds. on target. Shot placement is paramount to stopping a threat. For me, 9x19 was an easy choice to make. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:18:21 PM EDT
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Hilarious! I carry a G19 and 2 additional G17 mags loaded with 124 grn NATO. No whiz bang +p+ or $2,000 1911. Just a compact 9mm Glock and regular FMJ rounds. Reliability + Individual Performance = Carry gun win. Granted one round off the cheek bone night not vaporize a BG's melon, but said BG likely cease whatever it was he was doing that caused my to draw and shoot. I'm good with that. Can't tell if serious about fmj... Completely, it's what I train with therefore it's what I carry. I understand the HP, +p+, hydrashok, nuclear tipped thing but I don't understand why some people train with one round yet carry another. My chose my carry pistol and it's ammo to eliminate variables that could lead to failure, IE missing my target or having some kind of mechanical problem with the pistol itself. If I pull it I want to know, with as much certainty as possible, that it will work the way I expect it to. 50 Cent was shot 9 times with 9mm FMJ and he didn't drop. At least one round hit him in the jaw even. If those were hollow point rounds he wouldn't be alive today. You really should carry HP if at all possible. 50 Cent is living proof that FMJ sucks horse cock. I talked to a guy who fought in the Serbia/Croatia/Bosnian conflict. He shot a guy with 9mm ball and it was the 7th round in the throat that ended the fight. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:20:38 PM EDT
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How did we ever survive before the .40 Smith and Wesson came along? 10mm, before the limp-wrist brigade demanded something weaker. |
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:21:12 PM EDT
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9mm only guys sure jack each other off a lot.
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Posted: 5/26/2013 3:23:16 PM EDT
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Not a great picture, but it tells the tale of how poor 9mm NATO is.
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