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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:40:03 PM EDT
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It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens....
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:42:39 PM EDT
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ok I saw the article of the man getting raided but I just saw this on the U.S. Army WTF moments Facebook page J
***Heads up for disabled veterans claiming PTSD*** I just got my C&P (compensation and pension) appeal back. My rating for PTSD was increased. They also stated that because of my PTSD I am incompetent and goes on to state, "You are prohibited from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate and of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 13, United States Code 924(a)(2)." I am completely appalled. What this says to me is that its perfectly fine for me to stand up when some others wouldn't and fight for my country. Coming home with injuries that are invisible. Depression and guilt I can not shake. Feelings of remorse and fear of, "What if's." And as a reward for my sickness I do not receive more care. I do not receive counsel. I do not receive anything but a constitutional right revocation. Im at a total loss for what to say on this. wtf facebook page Increasing focus on mental illness does not bring understanding and healing, but a society increasingly intolerant of any aberrations. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:43:51 PM EDT
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It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens.... ok I have never heard of that. Im going to mention it on the fb page |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:48:07 PM EDT
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The mental health system has come a long way in shaking off quite a bit of its stigma in the last 20-30 years, however, the much ado about it recently, particularly from the Government, is going to take it right back to square one.
Shame really. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:49:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens.... me too |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:49:53 PM EDT
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Yeah...the VA cant rule you incompetent. Only a judge can do that.
 on the guy's story. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:50:53 PM EDT
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there is enough wackos with guns out there.. why should the US let KNOWN people with mental disabilities have guns??
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:52:10 PM EDT
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Yeah...the VA cant rule you incompetent. Only a judge can do that. on the guy's story.That's not what I heard. Not kidding. If you're unable to take care of yourself financially and your everyday needs, the VA can determine that you're incompetent and have your guns removed. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:52:51 PM EDT
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They want us (veterans) disarmed not for public safety but for control.
Remember the DHS pamphlet that described returning military as easy to recruit for domestic terror groups? |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:52:53 PM EDT
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It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens.... ok I have never heard of that. Im going to mention it on the fb page Way ahead of you...did it twice...look for a guy named Bryan....that is me.... I kept screaming about this before but people wouldn't listen....they said "No way they can do that" and "Whatever...that isn't what the law says".... |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:52:56 PM EDT
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EDITED - my post was slightly off of the specific topic, will rant in another.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:54:23 PM EDT
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Yeah...the VA cant rule you incompetent. Only a judge can do that. on the guy's story.WRONG. It's real. It's bullshit that it's real,but that is what happens (had a family member go through stuff with the VA) Until you're ground through cogs the machine doesn't sound so bad. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:55:43 PM EDT
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Yeah...the VA cant rule you incompetent. Only a judge can do that. on the guy's story.That's not what I heard. Not kidding. If you're unable to take care of yourself financially and your everyday needs, the VA can determine that you're incompetent and have your guns removed. I heard the moon is made of Swiss cheese also......but that doesn't make it true. Only a doctor or psychologist can deem someone a danger to themself, and then a judge has to declare the person a prohibited person. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:56:54 PM EDT
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The VA doesn't do this themselves. They petition the courts to make the order and it happens on a regular basis.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:57:03 PM EDT
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there is enough wackos with guns out there.. why should the US let KNOWN people with mental disabilities have guns?? There are differences in every case. Not every person with a mental disability is dangerous. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:57:13 PM EDT
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there is enough wackos with guns out there.. why should the US let KNOWN people with mental disabilities have guns?? Really? 
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:57:42 PM EDT
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This may be unpoppular but I think this should be how it is. People want to say they are crazy enough that they can't hold a job, but not crazy enough to be barred from firearms. You can't have your cake and eat it too
Maybe I'm biased but I really don't like the whole ptsd thing. I know several people that I think are faking it. They just want an excuse to not have to work. Any crazy they have, they had before going in the army |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:59:38 PM EDT
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Feinstein was the first to find Harvey Milk's body after he and the San Francisco mayor was murdered.
She has clearly not gotten past the incident and her actions are demonstrative of someone in the throes of untreated PTSD. Revoke her CCW and remove her guns. For the children. 
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:59:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Yeah...the VA cant rule you incompetent. Only a judge can do that. on the guy's story.WRONG. It's real. It's bullshit that it's real,but that is what happens (had a family member go through stuff with the VA) Until you're ground through cogs the machine doesn't sound so bad. Prove it. No tinfoil sites either. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:01:36 PM EDT
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This may be unpoppular but I think this should be how it is. People want to say they are crazy enough that they can't hold a job, but not crazy enough to be barred from firearms. You can't have your cake and eat it too Maybe I'm biased but I really don't like the whole ptsd thing. I know several people that I think are faking it. They just want an excuse to not have to work. Any crazy they have, they had before going in the army Isn't the standard "danger to self and/or others"? |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:02:07 PM EDT
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The VA doesn't do this themselves. They petition the courts to make the order and it happens on a regular basis. Good reason to avoid the VA.... I wonder how often judges refuse the VA's petition. 
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:03:47 PM EDT
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Edit-never mind jimmy22, you aren't worth it.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:04:10 PM EDT
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Where's the popcorn
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:04:53 PM EDT
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Don't know if BS or not, but its common sense that if you are going to claim any mental health issues, you better be aware that your records will be out there, if trying for certain jobs, or what have you.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:07:11 PM EDT
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"Aberrations?" I understand what you mean, but that's not the best word to describe PTSD, survivor guilt, depression, and other mood/behavior issues related to combat, or any severe, life altering trauma or life event. So any vet or person who has been I a life-altering event that develops PTSD isn't an aberration. The lack of support may lead to unhealthy habits & make a person potentially dangerous--the military knows this & should be providing support & compelling to prevent it from being a problem.
When most police officers are involved in a shooting, in this day & age they are supposed to be evaluated, given counseling, checked to be sure they have healthy coping skills & needed support to resume safely & effectively doing their jobs. My limited experience with vets is that the VA usually has some under-qualified person who may or may not be trying to do their best for the vet--and when the vet is in a traumatic scenario--they receive little support or counseling. Now, a normal reaction to a traumatic event--that's poorly managed by the VA is being turned into a stigma by the very country they served & caused the problem--when the country SHOULD be providing the vet with every means of returning to as normal a life a is possible. For fuck's sake-- what is wrong with this country's support of vets? Suicide rates are at an all time high--22 vets a day! When the fuck will the VA & government wake up?!?! |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:08:23 PM EDT
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This may be unpoppular but I think this should be how it is. People want to say they are crazy enough that they can't hold a job, but not crazy enough to be barred from firearms. You can't have your cake and eat it too Maybe I'm biased but I really don't like the whole ptsd thing. I know several people that I think are faking it. They just want an excuse to not have to work. Any crazy they have, they had before going in the army In a world where stupid posts are the norm, this is one dumbest things I have seen in a long time. Congrats, you may be clinically retarded but you can keep posting all you want on arf com. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:08:36 PM EDT
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Yeah...the VA cant rule you incompetent. Only a judge can do that. on the guy's story.WRONG. It's real. It's bullshit that it's real,but that is what happens (had a family member go through stuff with the VA) Until you're ground through cogs the machine doesn't sound so bad. Prove it. No tinfoil sites either. http://gunowners.org/a010808.htm |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:09:06 PM EDT
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I was reaching for a word and that's the one I got. Not the right one.
"Aberrations?" I understand what you mean, but that's not the best word to describe PTSD, survivor guilt, depression, and other mood/behavior issues related to combat, or any severe, life altering trauma or life event. So any vet or person who has been I a life-altering event that develops PTSD isn't an aberration. The lack of support may lead to unhealthy habits & make a person potentially dangerous--the military knows this & should be providing support & compelling to prevent it from being a problem. When most police officers are involved in a shooting, in this day & age they are supposed to be evaluated, given counseling, checked to be sure they have healthy coping skills & needed support to resume safely & effectively doing their jobs. My limited experience with vets is that the VA usually has some under-qualified person who may or may not be trying to do their best for the vet--and when the vet is in a traumatic scenario--they receive little support or counseling. Now, a normal reaction to a traumatic event--that's poorly managed by the VA is being turned into a stigma by the very country they served & caused the problem--when the country SHOULD be providing the vet with every means of returning to as normal a life a is possible. For fuck's sake-- what is wrong with this country's support of vets? Suicide rates are at an all time high--22 vets a day! When the fuck will the VA & government wake up?!?! You and I are on the same page. Turning everything into an ordeal is what the government does best. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:10:22 PM EDT
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It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens.... How can you "keep telling us this shit" if you haven't been around here long enough to have that claim be valid? Join date of 2012 is what I am referencing..... |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:10:49 PM EDT
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My friends room mate was in the marines doing things with radio and tech??? Dunno what his job title was.
He says he has PTSD. Apparently playing with computers fucks your shit up... He seen no combat what so ever. Must be nice to sit around and collect a paycheck. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:11:03 PM EDT
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It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens.... How can you "keep telling us this shit" if you haven't been around here long enough to have that claim be valid? Join date of 2012 is what I am referencing..... Other people outside this site, I think he means. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:15:47 PM EDT
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Yeah...the VA cant rule you incompetent. Only a judge can do that. on the guy's story.WRONG. It's real. It's bullshit that it's real,but that is what happens (had a family member go through stuff with the VA) Until you're ground through cogs the machine doesn't sound so bad. Prove it. No tinfoil sites either. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2007/hr-2640,-the-nics-improvement-amendm.aspx |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:18:29 PM EDT
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Which part? The part where I said self proclaimed crazy people shouldn't be able to have firearms or the part where I said some of them are faking it?
One of my buddies is on 100% disability with ptsd and never saw combat in his life. He got it because he said his officers were mean to him |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:20:26 PM EDT
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Death of 1000 cuts, they will incrementally kill our rights for our own good. If they take us down one at a time, there is no r3volution
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:20:47 PM EDT
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It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens.... How can you "keep telling us this shit" if you haven't been around here long enough to have that claim be valid? Join date of 2012 is what I am referencing..... I stated "I keep telling people about this shit"....not meaning here and here alone....just because I didn't decide to join here until November of last year doesn't mean that I haven't been telling people in other forums and face to face with active duty soldiers that I work with every day...I apologize I was a little late to the party here...... 
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:22:21 PM EDT
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Which part? The part where I said self proclaimed crazy people shouldn't be able to have firearms or the part where I said some of them are faking it? One of my buddies is on 100% disability with ptsd and never saw combat in his life. He got it because he said his officers were mean to him There is much more to the story you buddy isn't telling you. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:25:29 PM EDT
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It is called the Veterans Disarmament Act and was signed into law in 2008...right before BHO took office....I keep telling people about this shit and no one listens.... How can you "keep telling us this shit" if you haven't been around here long enough to have that claim be valid? Join date of 2012 is what I am referencing..... Other people outside this site, I think he means. That is exactly what I meant....you guys seem to listen and do research...Thank You! |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:27:13 PM EDT
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Which part? The part where I said self proclaimed crazy people shouldn't be able to have firearms or the part where I said some of them are faking it? One of my buddies is on 100% disability with ptsd and never saw combat in his life. He got it because he said his officers were mean to him 
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:28:37 PM EDT
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ok I saw the article of the man getting raided but I just saw this on the U.S. Army WTF moments Facebook page J
***Heads up for disabled veterans claiming PTSD*** I just got my C&P (compensation and pension) appeal back. My rating for PTSD was increased. They also stated that because of my PTSD I am incompetent and goes on to state, "You are prohibited from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate and of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 13, United States Code 924(a)(2)." I am completely appalled. What this says to me is that its perfectly fine for me to stand up when some others wouldn't and fight for my country. Coming home with injuries that are invisible. Depression and guilt I can not shake. Feelings of remorse and fear of, "What if's." And as a reward for my sickness I do not receive more care. I do not receive counsel. I do not receive anything but a constitutional right revocation. Im at a total loss for what to say on this. wtf facebook page As a VA doc I can say this is pure BULLSHIT |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:32:26 PM EDT
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ok I saw the article of the man getting raided but I just saw this on the U.S. Army WTF moments Facebook page J
***Heads up for disabled veterans claiming PTSD*** I just got my C&P (compensation and pension) appeal back. My rating for PTSD was increased. They also stated that because of my PTSD I am incompetent and goes on to state, "You are prohibited from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate and of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 13, United States Code 924(a)(2)." I am completely appalled. What this says to me is that its perfectly fine for me to stand up when some others wouldn't and fight for my country. Coming home with injuries that are invisible. Depression and guilt I can not shake. Feelings of remorse and fear of, "What if's." And as a reward for my sickness I do not receive more care. I do not receive counsel. I do not receive anything but a constitutional right revocation. Im at a total loss for what to say on this. wtf facebook page As a VA doc I can say this is pure BULLSHIT I really hope it is. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:32:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: ok I saw the article of the man getting raided but I just saw this on the U.S. Army WTF moments Facebook page J ***Heads up for disabled veterans claiming PTSD*** I just got my C&P (compensation and pension) appeal back. My rating for PTSD was increased. They also stated that because of my PTSD I am incompetent and goes on to state, "You are prohibited from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate and of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 13, United States Code 924(a)(2)." I am completely appalled. What this says to me is that its perfectly fine for me to stand up when some others wouldn't and fight for my country. Coming home with injuries that are invisible. Depression and guilt I can not shake. Feelings of remorse and fear of, "What if's." And as a reward for my sickness I do not receive more care. I do not receive counsel. I do not receive anything but a constitutional right revocation. Im at a total loss for what to say on this. wtf facebook page As a VA doc I can say this is pure BULLSHIT Question - does the VA over-prescribe narcotics or what? Fucking every time I have gone there to pickup meds, there is someone freaking the fuck out about not getting their oxycontin, telling people in the waiting room they are getting oxycontin, or asking what they have to do to get oxycontin |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:41:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ok I saw the article of the man getting raided but I just saw this on the U.S. Army WTF moments Facebook page J ***Heads up for disabled veterans claiming PTSD*** I just got my C&P (compensation and pension) appeal back. My rating for PTSD was increased. They also stated that because of my PTSD I am incompetent and goes on to state, "You are prohibited from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate and of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 13, United States Code 924(a)(2)." I am completely appalled. What this says to me is that its perfectly fine for me to stand up when some others wouldn't and fight for my country. Coming home with injuries that are invisible. Depression and guilt I can not shake. Feelings of remorse and fear of, "What if's." And as a reward for my sickness I do not receive more care. I do not receive counsel. I do not receive anything but a constitutional right revocation. Im at a total loss for what to say on this. wtf facebook page As a VA doc I can say this is pure BULLSHIT Question - does the VA over-prescribe narcotics or what? Fucking every time I have gone there to pickup meds, there is someone freaking the fuck out about not getting their oxycontin, telling people in the waiting room they are getting oxycontin, or asking what they have to do to get oxycontin They don't give them out like candy where I go. People just want to get high. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:43:34 PM EDT
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One of the reasons that I will never go to a PTSD screening, even though I get referred to one at almost every VA appointment.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:44:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ok I saw the article of the man getting raided but I just saw this on the U.S. Army WTF moments Facebook page J ***Heads up for disabled veterans claiming PTSD*** I just got my C&P (compensation and pension) appeal back. My rating for PTSD was increased. They also stated that because of my PTSD I am incompetent and goes on to state, "You are prohibited from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate and of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 13, United States Code 924(a)(2)." I am completely appalled. What this says to me is that its perfectly fine for me to stand up when some others wouldn't and fight for my country. Coming home with injuries that are invisible. Depression and guilt I can not shake. Feelings of remorse and fear of, "What if's." And as a reward for my sickness I do not receive more care. I do not receive counsel. I do not receive anything but a constitutional right revocation. Im at a total loss for what to say on this. wtf facebook page As a VA doc I can say this is pure BULLSHIT Question - does the VA over-prescribe narcotics or what? Fucking every time I have gone there to pickup meds, there is someone freaking the fuck out about not getting their oxycontin, telling people in the waiting room they are getting oxycontin, or asking what they have to do to get oxycontin They don't give them out like candy where I go. People just want to get high. Denver VA must be out of the ordinary. I have seen some pretty epic freakouts over narcotics at the pharmacy there. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:47:37 PM EDT
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Sorry, if someone has PTSD the last thing they need is a gun. The last thing we need right now is seeing on the news some vet suffering from PTSD shooting up a mall.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:48:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sorry, if someone has PTSD the last thing they need is a gun. The last thing we need right now is seeing on the news some vet suffering from PTSD shooting up a mall. Ruh-roh! Sorry, but I think this guy is right. If your PTSD is bad enough that you have to draw a disability check each month, maybe gun ownership might not be the best idea. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:52:04 PM EDT
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Which part? The part where I said self proclaimed crazy people shouldn't be able to have firearms or the part where I said some of them are faking it? One of my buddies is on 100% disability with ptsd and never saw combat in his life. He got it because he said his officers were mean to him There is much more to the story you buddy isn't telling you. No there isn't. He probably is a little screwed up in the head, but he went in that way. Angry, troubled hid that always had trouble with anger management. He got out and said he was screwed up from the army and was going to get 100 disability. So he managed to get like 25%. Back in the real world he struggled to make any decent money. After a few years he quit his job and went after 100% disability again. This time he had more ammo for his case because he "had to quit his job because of his ptsd" and was now "basically homeless because of his ptsd." He ended up getting it. Keep in mind after all that, i think he got his 100% disability at age 26. Watching this go down has left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. (Along with 2 other similar cases, but at least those two went to Iraq) |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:54:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Which part? The part where I said self proclaimed crazy people shouldn't be able to have firearms or the part where I said some of them are faking it? One of my buddies is on 100% disability with ptsd and never saw combat in his life. He got it because he said his officers were mean to him There is much more to the story you buddy isn't telling you. No there isn't. He probably is a little screwed up in the head, but he went in that way. Angry, troubled hid that always had trouble with anger management. He got out and said he was screwed up from the army and was going to get 100 disability. So he managed to get like 25%. Back in the real world he struggled to make any decent money. After a few years he quit his job and went after 100% disability again. This time he had more ammo for his case because he "had to quit his job because of his ptsd" and was now "basically homeless because of his ptsd." He ended up getting it. Keep in mind after all that, i think he got his 100% disability at age 26. Watching this go down has left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. (Along with 2 other similar cases, but at least those two went to Iraq) So, he traded his rights for 'free' money. Smart. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:55:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sorry, if someone has PTSD the last thing they need is a gun. The last thing we need right now is seeing on the news some vet suffering from PTSD shooting up a mall. Your a fucking idiot who has no idea what they are talking about. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:56:56 PM EDT
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Watch how they play Chris Kyle's murder to add PTSD diagnoses to NICS
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