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Posted: 4/16/2012 5:03:29 AM EDT
I `m going to Alaska fishing and the wife is really concerned due to the remote locations ( heli-fishing) we will be accessing. I must admit I have a little bit of concern as well.
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Pfft, if you would have watched "grizzly man", except the end, then you would know that grizzlies just want to hug and snuggle you, that's all.
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No gun, just make sure I can run faster than the other people around me.
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Sorry, you are not going to stop a charging Grizzly at 20 yards.
Any weapon that MIGHT save your ass is such a situation is too expensive and too difficult to master in the time frame you have. (Start at .416 and work your way up) Now, I have fished Alaska a lot. I Carryied a .44 mag with 300gr hardcast or copper bonded bullets, a LARGE can of bear spray and an awareness of where you are. (Stay away from thick brush, any bear with cubs, etc) The guide usually carried a .44, pepper spray and a 12 ga with slugs. |
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For a nice compact gun I would go with the Marlin 1895 guide gun in 45-70. The receivers on those are built like a mofo so you can load those 45-70's with the 500 grain projectiles. It kicks like a SOB but you'll take care of the bear for sure.
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Arfcom says 9 mm will do the trick, as long as you have enough rounds.
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Sorry, you are not going to stop a charging Grizzly at 20 yards. Obviously you have never seen this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAD7nFPPr60 |
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3 rounds of .000 buck = dead bear at your feet. This would be the TRUE test of stand your ground.
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7mm Lebel So you can drop it and run. ZZZZZZZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG |
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Hahahah! Good luck with that. Hope you can put at least one medium bore rifle round in the bear so it dies shortly after you do.
I think bear spray would be the best option in that scenario. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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You are going to need a head shot with something STOUT.
12G slug, .500 S&W, .454 etc. . |
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I would think a 12 ga loaded with slugs would be a good choice in that scenario.
or a 45-70 guide gun. However, best solution is to not get into that situation. |
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Sorry, you are not going to stop a charging Grizzly at 20 yards. Obviously you have never seen this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAD7nFPPr60 Obviously, you have no experience in the matter. Why do people whose only contact with bears come from a Disney cartoon think they have a clue |
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Bird shot should work. You dont want to kill it, just turn it.
Your gona want a major caliber rifle. 500 nitro or or something. I would look at what the dangerous game hunters in africa use. |
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Of the guns in my safe, I'd take the 45.70 guide gun. I'd also borrow one of my fathers magnum revolvers and holster it. Probably too much, but if remote, I'd be cautious.
ETA- don't be foolish like a good buddy of mine and not practice. One in their party was attacked and got a friendly bite from a mother grizzly. |
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Sorry, you are not going to stop a charging Grizzly at 20 yards. Obviously you have never seen this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAD7nFPPr60 Obviously, you have no experience in the matter. Why do people whose only contact with bears come from a Disney cartoon think they have a clue You get charged regularly at 20 yards by grizzlies? Obviously, you have no sense of humor. |
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870 with Brennekes or a 45/70 guide gun loaded with buffalo bores
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I would think a 12 ga loaded with slugs would be a good choice in that scenario. or a 45-70 guide gun. However, best solution is to not get into that situation. That would be my pick. |
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Arfcom says 9 mm will do the trick, as long as you have enough rounds. A Glock 18 with a few 33 rounds magazines should do the trick. You have to make each bullet hit the same spot though |
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I grew up working on a exotic wildlife refuge. We had several bears and whenever we had to tranquilize and move one someone was always standing by with a Double Barrel .500 Nitro Express. Bears are not cute and cuddly when they are pissed. They were actually more dangerous to work around then the big cats.
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Sorry, you are not going to stop a charging Grizzly at 20 yards. Any weapon that MIGHT save your ass is such a situation is too expensive and too difficult to master in the time frame you have. (Start at .416 and work your way up) Now, I have fished Alaska a lot. I Carryied a .44 mag with 300gr hardcast or copper bonded bullets, a LARGE can of bear spray and an awareness of where you are. (Stay away from thick brush, any bear with cubs, etc) The guide usually carried a .44, pepper spray and a 12 ga with slugs. http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv72/gearchecker/just%20stuff/abear2.jpg Backstory? You mean exactly like this guy? |
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My friend Steve XXXXXXXX and I were duck hunting yesterday (10/08/11) in Portage Valley (Alaska) and we were attacked by a brown bear. We are both OK but we killed the brown bear within 10 feet of our duck boat blind. This is one of those stories where you are just glad to be alive to tell it. I have lived in Alaska for over 25 years and been around bears but never thought I would encounter one in my blind while duck hunting. I have provided a brief description of what happened below. We had a small bull moose run about 10 feet behind our duck boat blind. We heard some grass rustling and thought it was another moose, but then we see a brown bear following the trail of the moose. When the bear gets about 20 feet from our blind he looks up and sees us and heads right toward the front of the blind where I am sitting. I fired 3 rounds (3" #4 shot) into the bear at point blank range. My friend says I fired my last round when the bear was 2 feet away. He goes on to say that my head and the bears head were 2 feet apart at one point. After firing my third round, I dove away from the bear and out of the blind and my friend Steve fires 3 rounds (3.5" #4 shot) into his head that sends the bear to the front of the boat on the ground about 10 feet away. Steve reloads as the bear is doing the death spin. He puts 3 more rounds into the bear. I get up, reload, and fire 3 more rounds into the bear. The bear isn't moving at this point in time. Neither of us was hurt (not a scratch). We we were just scared shitless. We had 2 dogs with us. The older dog (Mynx) was out of the blind with hackles up about 20 feet away from the bear. The young (5 months) dog (Lulu) was hidden under one of the chairs in the boat, She was shaking and wouldn't come out for awhile. On a side note, we got one duck (a gadwall). |
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Quoted: Quoted: 20MM HE? yep. crew-served is the only option. Well, there IS the Anzio. |
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I'd say if he's charging then an RPG wouldn't be too big to suit me.
If you've gotten yourself to the point where you have convinced the bear that charging you is the best plan of action for the afternoon then I'm going to say you've probably already failed. Situational awareness and a plan for dealing with food and food scraps would probably be your best defense. Having said that I have a buddy with a S&W .500 that is an absolute ball to shoot. That is a perfect excuse for buying one, if you need an excuse. |
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By strict reading of the above, and interpreting your wife's concerns,
I am thinking she wants you to buy a keltec ksg |
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Another option would be to keep a wolverine in a backpack with you.
Wolverines are the Alaskan version of a honey badger.
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Guys, I should have mentioned that the guide WILL have a 12 gauge. I was asking about a PISTOL round. The 20 yard comment was a worst case scenario. I do understand the situational awareness angle as well as the bear spray bit.
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A tub of butter and a fat friend. Slap the butter on the friend and RUN!
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Guys, I should have mentioned that the guide WILL have a 12 gauge. I was asking about a PISTOL round. The 20 yard comment was a worst case scenario. I do understand the situational awareness angle as well as the bear spray bit. Pro tip: Edit your thread title and put "pistol" in front of round. |
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Another option would be to keep a wolverine in a backpack with you. Wolverines are the Alaskan version of a honey badger. On coke. |
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