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Posted: 1/5/2012 9:54:13 PM EDT
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It's not always treason. Really depends on the issue and how you go about exposing it.
Exposing what was going on at Abu Gharib (or whatever it's called) was whistleblowing that wasn't treason at all. Just exposing some dickheads who were breaking the rules. |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 9:57:34 PM EDT
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No, it is not treason to release governmental wrong doings or violations of law. Treason is releasing classified information for the sake of exposing state secrets. Corruption, negligence, and illegal acts are not what we entrust our elected officials to be doing.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:23:18 PM EDT
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Bradley Manning/Wikileaks - Treason
A. Ernest Fitzgerald/DOD Cost overruns/$300 toilet seats - Not Treason. |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:53:56 PM EDT
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Not treason but it is prosecutable for those sworn as Mil or Intel. If you are not a sworn government servant you should not be prosecutable. Put another way the media or Joe Public has no obligation to keep quiet.
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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:58:40 PM EDT
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I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot.
He did not whistleblow, he committed treason. I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:28:32 PM EDT
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I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot. He did not whistleblow, he committed treason. I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports. I discussed this with you in a different thread. I will say it again, after watching Paul's video I think you take his words out context. He isn't calling Manning a hero, he is calling whistleblowers heros. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:29:56 PM EDT
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If it screws up the status-quo that I happen to like, then hell yes.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:30:21 PM EDT
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People like to throw out the word treason for everything under the sun, but it is strictly defined in the Constitution.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:31:52 PM EDT
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Treason is releasing sensitive government documents to the general public so that our enemies can also view them.
Pathetic attempt at stealthily equating Bradley Manning as somehow being a "whistleblower". I also will add that ZERO government wrong doing was uncovered with the release of said documents. So any bullshit excuse people use to justify it, is also blown out of the water. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:32:12 PM EDT
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I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot. He did not whistleblow, he committed treason. I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports. No, he didn't. You have to do more than read titles some yahoo posts on the web. 
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:39:35 PM EDT
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Wasn't fast and furious brought to light by whistle blowers?
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:53:36 PM EDT
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Wasn't fast and furious brought to light by whistle blowers? See also: Abu Ghraib Watergate Tuskegee Syphillis Experiments CIA support of Nicraguan Contras with cocaine profits under Reagan ...etc, etc |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:55:54 PM EDT
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Whistleblowing is not treason but Manning is not a whistleblower.
I can't believe yoyu are still trying to defend this shit. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:57:00 PM EDT
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I notice you're trying to avoid the fact that Paul called Manning a hero and true patriot. He did not whistleblow, he committed treason. I like how you try to feel better about it though by avoiding what Paul supports. I discussed this with you in a different thread. I will say it again, after watching Paul's video I think you take his words out context. He isn't calling Manning a hero, he is calling whistleblowers heros. Bullshit. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:57:46 PM EDT
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Oh good. Another (covert) RP thread. Yay. Like we haven't done this topic to death in the dozens of other RP threads. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 5:59:19 PM EDT
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Oh good. Another (covert) RP thread. Yay. Like we haven't done this topic to death in the dozens of other RP threads. But it's not an RP thread. It's not a Manning thread. OP said so. 
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:01:11 PM EDT
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. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
To just say all whistle blowing against our government is treason is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:02:27 PM EDT
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If Soldiers die because of the leak, it's treason. If the information released reveals whether Kim Kardashian wears control top pantyhose, then no.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:10:14 PM EDT
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Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:11:45 PM EDT
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It's not always treason. Really depends on the issue and how you go about exposing it. that |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:15:15 PM EDT
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Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected. Who do you support for POTUS? Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:17:42 PM EDT
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You obey the chain of command and have no other gods before it.
You don't go off the reservation just because you "feel" justified in doing so. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:18:02 PM EDT
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Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected. Who do you support for POTUS? Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either. Honest question here: Why did you think that you had to start another RP thread? There's dozens of them floating around already and this topic has been done to death already in several of them. Why? |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:20:15 PM EDT
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It's not always treason. Really depends on the issue and how you go about exposing it. Exposing what was going on at Abu Gharib (or whatever it's called) was whistleblowing that wasn't treason at all. Just exposing some dickheads who were breaking the rules. But if I recall correctly many people here believe something is treasonous if it gets Americans killed. Hmm? |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:35:31 PM EDT
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Is there ever a time when whistleblowing is not treason? Is it ever not? I have never heard of a case where whistle blowing was treason. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:02:59 PM EDT
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Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected. Who do you support for POTUS? Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either. I like Gingrich despite his flaws. There's never going to be the perfect candidate, but he's got my vote. I don't give a rat's ass about his personal life. That said if Ron Paul managed to the nomination I'd throw my support behind him 100% as defeating Obama is paramount. How many Ron Paul fans would back the Republican nominee instead of writing in Paul as a protest, knowing damn well their vote could have been used against the worse President since LBJ ? |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 7:06:21 PM EDT
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No, it is not treason to release governmental wrong doings or violations of law. Treason is releasing classified information for the sake of exposing state secrets. Corruption, negligence, and illegal acts are not what we entrust our elected officials to be doing. + 1 Exactly |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:37:03 PM EDT
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Give it up Bubba, your boy isn't going to get elected. Who do you support for POTUS? Unless it's Obama, or possibly Romney, your boy isn't going to get elected either. Honest question here: Why did you think that you had to start another RP thread? There's dozens of them floating around already and this topic has been done to death already in several of them. Why? Maybe they're frustrated with the fact their constant spamming has failed to convince us to see the light? |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:46:52 PM EDT
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I turned in my LPO for stealing tools. I didn't want to face the blowback because he was so popular so I mailed a letter to the CO, XO, and CMC.
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