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Posted: 4/29/2011 3:22:32 PM EDT

Had a discussion with a co worker about this. If we look at both sides it really seems like there is no gray area? During Bush's presidency you were called unamerican etc especially the twilight of 9/11 if you questioned his policies. Under Obama you are considered a racist, dumb redneck etc for not like Obama's policies........
My question is really what do you do? I've only run into this a few times. Most of the time I've just brushed it off. Where is the middle ground ?

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:33:23 PM EDT

[#1]

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Had a discussion with a co worker about this. If we look at both sides it really seems like there is no gray area? During Bush's presidency you were called unamerican etc especially the twilight of 9/11 if you questioned his policies. Under Obama you are considered a racist, dumb redneck etc for not like Obama's policies........

My question is really what do you do? I've only run into this a few times. Most of the time I've just brushed it off. Where is the middle ground ?

Ignore the people on both sides who think being on the left/right makes you "OMG the enemy!" and continue on with your life.

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:34:09 PM EDT

[#2]

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Quoted:

Had a discussion with a co worker about this. If we look at both sides it really seems like there is no gray area? During Bush's presidency you were called unamerican etc especially the twilight of 9/11 if you questioned his policies. Under Obama you are considered a racist, dumb redneck etc for not like Obama's policies........

My question is really what do you do? I've only run into this a few times. Most of the time I've just brushed it off. Where is the middle ground ?

Ignore the people on both sides who think being on the left/right makes you "OMG the enemy!" and continue on with your life.

Now I know!

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:37:09 PM EDT

[#3]

who gives a fuck about the middle ground. the constitution is the only ground worth anything.

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:37:58 PM EDT

[#4]

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Had a discussion with a co worker about this. If we look at both sides it really seems like there is no gray area? During Bush's presidency you were called unamerican etc especially the twilight of 9/11 if you questioned his policies. Under Obama you are considered a racist, dumb redneck etc for not like Obama's policies........

My question is really what do you do? I've only run into this a few times. Most of the time I've just brushed it off. Where is the middle ground ?

Ignore the people on both sides who think being on the left/right makes you "OMG the enemy!" and continue on with your life.

Now I know!

And knowing is half the battle!

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:39:50 PM EDT

[#5]

No. They must all be put in camps.

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Posted: 4/29/2011 3:40:01 PM EDT

[#6]

My recollection is that under Bush, dissent was patriotic. Now it's racist.

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:41:32 PM EDT

[#7]

Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people. And they probably shop at Walmart.

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:43:22 PM EDT

[#8]

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people.

The "middle ground" is moral treason.

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:48:03 PM EDT

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people. And they probably shop at Walmart.

Not always. They are also people who stop and analyze before jumping in with both feet.

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:48:19 PM EDT

[#10]

It's natural to be a bigot and hate The Others. Just look at the Birthers. There is no way they will ever admit Obumer is Native Born.

BUT, truly intelligent people know their inherent bigotries and try their best to ignore them.

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:56:37 PM EDT

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people.

The "middle ground" is moral treason.

Those who refuse to participate in politics shall be governed by their inferiors. - Plato

Posted: 4/29/2011 3:57:15 PM EDT

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people.

The "middle ground" is moral treason.

The middle ground is usually leftist and liberal.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:04:32 PM EDT

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people.

The "middle ground" is moral treason.

Or is the middle ground where reason lives?

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:07:09 PM EDT

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Where is the middle ground ?

It's populated by people who recognize that with respect to many questions of government policy it's possible for people to hold a different position without having evil motives.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:08:33 PM EDT

[#15]

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people.

The "middle ground" is moral treason.

The middle ground is usually leftist and liberal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Leftist and liberal used to be opposites.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:16:23 PM EDT

[#16]

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It's natural to be a bigot and hate The Others. Just look at the Birthers. There is no way they will ever admit Obumer is Native Born.

BUT, truly intelligent people know their inherent bigotries and try their best to ignore them.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:34:16 PM EDT

[#17]

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people.

The "middle ground" is moral treason.

Or is the middle ground where reason lives?

uhh.. no. its where the people who "dont care" live. where those that as long as they are able to live ignorant happy lives they couldnt care less what rights are trampled or how much money is spent.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:41:07 PM EDT

[#18]

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people. And they probably shop at Walmart.

Not always. They are also people who stop and analyze before jumping in with both feet.

No, they are the one's who haven't analyzed, at least in any serious manner.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:44:34 PM EDT

[#19]

Middle ground is liberalism lite. It marches more slowly towards tyranny than being on the left, but it marches that way nonetheless.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:45:31 PM EDT

[#20]

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Had a discussion with a co worker about this. If we look at both sides it really seems like there is no gray area? During Bush's presidency you were called unamerican etc especially the twilight of 9/11 if you questioned his policies. Under Obama you are considered a racist, dumb redneck etc for not like Obama's policies........

My question is really what do you do? I've only run into this a few times. Most of the time I've just brushed it off. Where is the middle ground ?

Ignore the people on both sides who think being on the left/right makes you "OMG the enemy!" and continue on with your life.

Now I know!

And knowing is half the battle!

I thought the other half was violence.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:47:45 PM EDT

[#21]

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It's natural to be a bigot and hate The Others. Just look at the Birthers. There is no way they will ever admit Obumer is Native Born.

BUT, truly intelligent people know their inherent bigotries and try their best to ignore them.

Part of the birther thing was how Obama played it. He played that card for all it was worth. For example, when Michelle went to Kenya and called it "her husband's country" (don't recall exactly what she said, but it had that implication), I think that was actually an INTENTIONAL throw to the birthers. Obama spent a bunch of money paying lawyers when he could have put the issue to rest . . . but he didn't. It is clear to me that Obama (and team) felt the birther thing played to their favor, and they played it for all it's worth.

One thing I think about the birthers is that they were on to something they thought could save the day. Wishfull thinking that a simple thing could end Obama's stint as POTUS.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:48:34 PM EDT

[#22]

Isn’t bigotry an Italian redwood tree?

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:50:59 PM EDT

[#23]

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My recollection is that under Bush, dissent was patriotic. Now it's racist.

not sure if serious
During Bush's reign, it was treason to question policy, since he was a war president, and it gave aid to the enemy - at least that is how some characterized it. Now some characterize dissent as racism. In both cases its just cowards who hate free speech and democracy.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:52:27 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Had a discussion with a co worker about this. If we look at both sides it really seems like there is no gray area? During Bush's presidency you were called unamerican etc especially the twilight of 9/11 if you questioned his policies. Under Obama you are considered a racist, dumb redneck etc for not like Obama's policies........

My question is really what do you do? I've only run into this a few times. Most of the time I've just brushed it off. Where is the middle ground ?

Ignore the people on both sides who think being on the left/right makes you "OMG the enemy!" and continue on with your life.

Now I know!

And knowing is half the battle!

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I thought the other half was violence.

Nah, it's lasers and the exact opposite of accuracy.

Posted: 4/29/2011 4:54:38 PM EDT

[#25]

You know what happens when you stand in the middle of the road?

Posted: 4/29/2011 5:08:12 PM EDT

[#26]

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Oh, and the other thing: the people who inhabit the "middle ground" are mostly low information people.

The "middle ground" is moral treason.

The middle ground is usually leftist and liberal.

So is the "right".

Posted: 4/29/2011 5:18:12 PM EDT

[#27]

here is what happened. In the beggining we had lots and lots of freedom and not much entitlement. everyone had to earn their keep. So little by little the productive didn't mind sharing a bit for those who had a hard time.

Over two hundred years a great deal of the country feels entitled to other peoples work. About half of the country feels that they have the right to steal from you whether you approve or not simply because you have more. It doesn't matter how much harder you worked to get it.

The other half of the country had seen what was charity become a legion of parasites who do nothing and expect everything. They already have a pretty decent life on welfare. Our poor are like the middle class in most European contrys as far as lifestyle goes. We feel we are giving enough and that the moochers have enough.

You cannot find a gray area between these two points of view. The nation is and will be divided because half the nation wants to steal from the other half against their will for things they do not approve of.

This divide canot be repaired and will get worse most likely as time goes by because the current entitlements we had agreed to were a lie and cost more than they were supposed to and the productive are not willing to pay extra for it but those on the dole feel they have a right to it at any price.

Posted: 4/29/2011 5:55:11 PM EDT

[#28]

Divided and polarized

There is no middle ground

And just where exactly do you go from there?

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:02:51 PM EDT

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Divided and polarized

There is no middle ground

And just where exactly do you go from there?

I say we have the great american divide. we dissolve the federal government down to military. We take the old budget and use it to send every liberal to a liberal state and every conservative to a conservative state if they are willing to move. The government will buy you a house in your new state and give your five years wages to give you time to find a good job and get things going.

Then the federal government stops taxing and doing things, the liberal states get to be socialists and the conservative states get their freedom.

This will work as long as the conservative states immediately start beuilding walls around them to keep out the liberals that try and come back when their states collapse.

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:17:14 PM EDT

[#30]

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Divided and polarized

There is no middle ground

And just where exactly do you go from there?

I say we have the great american divide. we dissolve the federal government down to military. We take the old budget and use it to send every liberal to a liberal state and every conservative to a conservative state if they are willing to move. The government will buy you a house in your new state and give your five years wages to give you time to find a good job and get things going.

Then the federal government stops taxing and doing things, the liberal states get to be socialists and the conservative states get their freedom.

This will work as long as the conservative states immediately start beuilding walls around them to keep out the liberals that try and come back when their states collapse.

Giving up one square inch of the United States is unacceptable.

They will never stop taking. NEVER.

The end point of such a strategy is 3 of us trying to survive on a snow covered mountain top in Idaho.

Not an inch. They can move to Cuba or Venezuela. They think they'll be happier there and I know I would be if they were there.

Posted: 4/29/2011 6:52:17 PM EDT

[#31]

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Divided and polarized

There is no middle ground

And just where exactly do you go from there?

I say we have the great american divide. we dissolve the federal government down to military. We take the old budget and use it to send every liberal to a liberal state and every conservative to a conservative state if they are willing to move. The government will buy you a house in your new state and give your five years wages to give you time to find a good job and get things going.

Then the federal government stops taxing and doing things, the liberal states get to be socialists and the conservative states get their freedom.
This will work as long as the conservative states immediately start beuilding walls around them to keep out the liberals that try and come back when their states collapse.

Giving up one square inch of the United States is unacceptable.

They will never stop taking. NEVER.

The end point of such a strategy is 3 of us trying to survive on a snow covered mountain top in Idaho.

Not an inch. They can move to Cuba or Venezuela. They think they'll be happier there and I know I would be if they were there.

you are right. lets deport them. We will auction their houses to buy them a mansion in third world countries. the five years wage will get them retirement in one of those shitholes and im sure their talk people out of hurting you thing will work out great for them.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:15:16 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

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Divided and polarized

There is no middle ground

And just where exactly do you go from there?

I say we have the great american divide. we dissolve the federal government down to military. We take the old budget and use it to send every liberal to a liberal state and every conservative to a conservative state if they are willing to move. The government will buy you a house in your new state and give your five years wages to give you time to find a good job and get things going.

Then the federal government stops taxing and doing things, the liberal states get to be socialists and the conservative states get their freedom.

This will work as long as the conservative states immediately start beuilding walls around them to keep out the liberals that try and come back when their states collapse.

Giving up one square inch of the United States is unacceptable.

They will never stop taking. NEVER.

The end point of such a strategy is 3 of us trying to survive on a snow covered mountain top in Idaho.

Not an inch. They can move to Cuba or Venezuela. They think they'll be happier there and I know I would be if they were there.

you are right. lets deport them. We will auction their houses to buy them a mansion in third world countries. the five years wage will get them retirement in one of those shitholes and im sure their talk people out of hurting you thing will work out great for them.

Now there's a plan.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:20:23 PM EDT

[#33]

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Had a discussion with a co worker about this. If we look at both sides it really seems like there is no gray area? During Bush's presidency you were called unamerican etc especially the twilight of 9/11 if you questioned his policies. Under Obama you are considered a racist, dumb redneck etc for not like Obama's policies........

My question is really what do you do? I've only run into this a few times. Most of the time I've just brushed it off. Where is the middle ground ?

Definitely not here in GD.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:33:08 PM EDT

[#34]

We cannot keep compromising with the Bolshevik Left.

That's what has us in the mess we are in.

Compromise here, compromise there....it is endless. The line has moved so far to the left that what we consider the middle is damn near Moscow in the 1930s.

Where is THEIR compromise?
Where is THEIR "tolerance"?

I've been forced to tolerate them for as long as I can remember. I've watched the whole thing go down from the beginning. Their strategy and tactics have been clear all along. Even to the most ignorant now, in hindsight.

Now THEY can tolerate ME.

Learn to swim because it's a long ways to Cuba and there won't be enough boats.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:33:59 PM EDT

[#35]

The current administration to me represents marxism and socialism unlike any other in the past. Marxism and Socialism are an affront to freedom. My freedom isn't up for friendly debate.

Posted: 4/29/2011 7:39:23 PM EDT

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The current administration to me represents marxism and socialism unlike any other in the past. Marxism and Socialism are an affront to freedom. My freedom isn't up for friendly debate.

LBJ and Carter both pushed pretty hard.
They didn't have the kind of control over govt that the Left did 2008-2010, however.
It was also earlier in the process of what Kruschev called burying us "without firing a shot."
Thusly, they were stick stuck with the incremental approach.

That is done now. It is for all the marbles.