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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:49:42 PM EDT
A Diesel Cop Car
 ... A "Green" cop car
WTF Give me a good ol' AMERCIAN GAS V8 http://www.carbonmotors.com/learn |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:51:26 PM EDT
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whats wrong with Diesel? Thats all I own.....
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:51:58 PM EDT
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Diesel is good but the current EPA gayness is not.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:52:13 PM EDT
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I think the Crown Vic is already gone. At least every dept around here is buying Chargers and Impalas.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:52:19 PM EDT
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Diesel is good but the current EPA gayness is not. Very True.... |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:52:44 PM EDT
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The Crown Vic is on death row. After 2011 they will cease to be produced.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:53:07 PM EDT
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May be worth it in the long run but the entrance price will keep most departments away. Crown Vic is already gone anyway if Ford keeps their word this time.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:53:33 PM EDT
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Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:54:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:56:49 PM EDT
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Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus. You have got to be kiding... FUCK... The only auto maker not to take .gov money... and this is all they can come up wiht? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:57:30 PM EDT
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Around here they've already replaced all the Crown Vics with Chargers for all the real cops. The city has some sort of program to have volunteers (ie non-certified officers) act as glorified community watch and they run the old Crown Vics the real cops used to use.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:57:48 PM EDT
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Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus. You have got to be kiding... FUCK... The only auto maker not to take .gov money... and this is all they can come up wiht? Ford doesn't make the Carbon Motors E7 that you posted in the OP. Hence why right before the model name of E7 it fucking says CARBON MOTORS. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:59:14 PM EDT
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Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus. You have got to be kiding... FUCK... The only auto maker not to take .gov money... and this is all they can come up wiht? Ford doesn't make the Carbon Motors E7 that you posted in the OP. Hence why right before the model name of E7 it fucking says CARBON MOTORS. Hence it wouldn't be the end of the CV, but the new PI would. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:00:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus. Just like robocop |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:01:14 PM EDT
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It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:01:46 PM EDT
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It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:01:54 PM EDT
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whats wrong with Diesel? Thats all I own..... Nothings wrong with diesel... Just don't think it's going to make a good pursuit vehicle... |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:02:14 PM EDT
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They should show real leadership on the enviroment and make cop cars out of the Prius.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:02:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus. Just like robocop No, its based on the new Taurus. AWD, 300+ HP. Much larger. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:02:51 PM EDT
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I understand your disappointment.
I absolutely LOVE my CVPI. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:04:06 PM EDT
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Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus. Its bad ass actually. SHO Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:05:05 PM EDT
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 I like it. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:05:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry A crown vic has a 0-60 time of 8.5 SECONDS! a 2.4L toyota corolla has a 0-60 times of 7.4. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:07:26 PM EDT
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The corvett get like 26 MPG and has a 600 HP engine... Why would the CV only get 15?
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:09:35 PM EDT
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It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry A crown vic has a 0-60 time of 8.5 SECONDS! a 2.4L toyota corolla has a 0-60 times of 7.4. I disagree with the 8.5 second figure. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:10:47 PM EDT
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The E7 diesel PERFORMANCE
0 - 60 mph 6.5 seconds Quarter Mile 14.5 seconds @ 98.0 mph Top Speed > 150 mph Braking 60 - 0 mph 125 feet Lateral Acceleration 0.85 g Combined City/Hwy Fuel Economy 28 - 30 mpg Going to have to raise the BS flag on that... 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:13:00 PM EDT
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It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry A crown vic has a 0-60 time of 8.5 SECONDS! a 2.4L toyota corolla has a 0-60 times of 7.4. I disagree with the 8.5 second figure. Maybe the one they used to sell to civilians, but the CVPI's are likely quicker than that. Hell, my brother in law had a 2005 Crown Vic that wasn't a police version and it was no slouch. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:14:50 PM EDT
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It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry A crown vic has a 0-60 time of 8.5 SECONDS! a 2.4L toyota corolla has a 0-60 times of 7.4. And let's see how quick that Corolla is with a few hundred pounds of extra equipment in radios, computers, cameras, lights, push bumpers, cages, rescue gear, and weapons. American police cars are big because you need a big car to carry all of the gear incidental to the job. Additionally, front wheel drive cars like the Corolla and Impala tend to fare rather poorly in police applications. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:18:27 PM EDT
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The corvett get like 26 MPG and has a 600 HP engine... Why would the CV only get 15? Weight/size, gearing ratios and use. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:24:54 PM EDT
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The corvett get like 26 MPG and has a 600 HP engine... Why would the CV only get 15? Weight/size, gearing ratios and use. My 2000 Chevy Sliverado 4X4 PK gets 19 MPG... I still call BS on the 15 MPG |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:28:03 PM EDT
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It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry A crown vic has a 0-60 time of 8.5 SECONDS! a 2.4L toyota corolla has a 0-60 times of 7.4. And let's see how quick that Corolla is with a few hundred pounds of extra equipment in radios, computers, cameras, lights, push bumpers, cages, rescue gear, and weapons. American police cars are big because you need a big car to carry all of the gear incidental to the job. Additionally, front wheel drive cars like the Corolla and Impala tend to fare rather poorly in police applications. Yep/.// The cops NEED a rear wheel drive... When Chrylser and Chevy stopped making the full size RWDs Ford was the only game in town. Futhermore the cops need a FULL frame car. This unitized shit is not going to fair for shit... |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:28:06 PM EDT
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The corvett get like 26 MPG and has a 600 HP engine... Why would the CV only get 15? Weight/size, gearing ratios and use. My 2000 Chevy Sliverado 4X4 PK gets 19 MPG... I still call BS on the 15 MPG It's true. Consider that these cars also spend LOTS of time at idle running radar, sitting outside while the officer is inside dealing with complaints, etc. Those cars are always running. When driving, sure, they probably get better than 15MPG... but averaged out over the full tank of gas... 14-15 mpg. ETA: Also consider that those cars spend lots of time at idle... then when it's time to go, it's time to go. Cops are lead foots. They have to catch up with speeders from a stop (or change directions and then accelerate up to speed), or they're running code to calls. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:28:52 PM EDT
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The corvett get like 26 MPG and has a 600 HP engine... Why would the CV only get 15? Weight/size, gearing ratios and use. My 2000 Chevy Sliverado 4X4 PK gets 19 MPG... I still call BS on the 15 MPG I get less than 15 mpg with mine (CVPI) unless I am just slowly driving around. On the highway I can get around 25 or so but only if I'm driving straight from point a to point b. If I am doing real patrol I will get closer to 12 mpg or less. 0-wideopen doesn't lend itself to good mileage. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:33:30 PM EDT
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Ford last March said they're rolling out a new Police Interceptor based on the Taurus. And it sucked dick in the Michigan trials. Ford is pretty much out of the police market in 2012, at least until they make something that competes with the Chev and Dodge. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:33:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:36:37 PM EDT
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Yep/.// The cops NEED a rear wheel drive... When Chrylser and Chevy stopped making the full size RWDs Ford was the only game in town. Futhermore the cops need a FULL frame car. This unitized shit is not going to fair for shit...[/div] I agree with you on this. With the way we drive, we would have many wrecks with awd until a lot of folks learn a new style of driving. A lot of what we do depends on losing traction at a certain point. If I didn't lose traction it would mess up a lot of my turns and could cause me to get smacked by a car. FWD doesn't work either for much the same reason. I trust unibody vehicles for front and rear impacts but I haven't been too impressed with their performance in side impact crashes. Although it is rather neat to do a post crash inspection and have two or three different pieces of the same car to examine. You have to be careful about how and where you cross a median in a unibody as well. We've had a few back glasses pop out do to the flex the body goes under. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:38:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry A crown vic has a 0-60 time of 8.5 SECONDS! a 2.4L toyota corolla has a 0-60 times of 7.4. And let's see how quick that Corolla is with a few hundred pounds of extra equipment in radios, computers, cameras, lights, push bumpers, cages, rescue gear, and weapons. American police cars are big because you need a big car to carry all of the gear incidental to the job. Additionally, front wheel drive cars like the Corolla and Impala tend to fare rather poorly in police applications. A few hundred pounds is nothing. It equates to two american fat-asses that ride around in them 365 days a year. The simple fact is Police spend most of their day at idle or 30mph. You don't need a 4.6L V8. Not to mention when the time comes to "intercept" the CVPI is already anemic as shit. It's a waste of money. If you really need "interceptors" get cops running highway traffic a couple of corvettes.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:40:11 PM EDT
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The corvett get like 26 MPG and has a 600 HP engine... Why would the CV only get 15? Weight/size, gearing ratios and use. My 2000 Chevy Sliverado 4X4 PK gets 19 MPG... I still call BS on the 15 MPG I get less than 15 mpg with mine (CVPI) unless I am just slowly driving around. On the highway I can get around 25 or so but only if I'm driving straight from point a to point b. If I am doing real patrol I will get closer to 12 mpg or less. 0-wideopen doesn't lend itself to good mileage. A diesel isn't going to fare well with this type of use... What they save in fuel is going to cost in maintenance |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:43:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:46:58 PM EDT
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Toyota_Prius-Hybrid_Cop_car-NIU_police.JPG I could see it working for a college that doesn't go anywhere fast and doesn't get into chases. Would never pan out for any other department unless they have a dedicated group of paper servers. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:49:17 PM EDT
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A diesel isn't going to fare well with this type of use... What they save in fuel is going to cost in maintenance Really? You don't know as much as you think you do. Diesel engines have a reputation for not holding up to stop and go use in trucks. Not in cars. Because the engines that they put in cars are lighter. Quoted:
Give me a good ol' AMERCIAN GAS V8 No reason to use a V8 anymore. I'd go for twin turbos and direct injection. Quoted:
Nothings wrong with diesel... Just don't think it's going to make a good pursuit vehicle... Why is what you think so important? Why don't you Google "Le Mans" and "diesel." |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:55:02 PM EDT
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It's stupid to have v8's and these massive full size cars out on patrol. They putt around 24 hours a day getting 15mpg at best and aren't even remotely fast. More wasteful .gov spending. Because a 1.8L V4 is great if you need to catch up to someone in a hurry A crown vic has a 0-60 time of 8.5 SECONDS! a 2.4L toyota corolla has a 0-60 times of 7.4. And let's see how quick that Corolla is with a few hundred pounds of extra equipment in radios, computers, cameras, lights, push bumpers, cages, rescue gear, and weapons. American police cars are big because you need a big car to carry all of the gear incidental to the job. Additionally, front wheel drive cars like the Corolla and Impala tend to fare rather poorly in police applications. A few hundred pounds is nothing. It equates to two american fat-asses that ride around in them 365 days a year. The simple fact is Police spend most of their day at idle or 30mph. You don't need a 4.6L V8. Not to mention when the time comes to "intercept" the CVPI is already anemic as shit. It's a waste of money. If you really need "interceptors" get cops running highway traffic a couple of corvettes. You apparently have never done any ride-alongs with county cops. Their days, when driving, are spent at speeds around 55-60mph, and running code from one end of the county to the other. Agreed, the CVPI is anemic, but they do need to be able to get up to speed to catch the guy going 70 in a 45 headed in the other direction. A few years back, Portage (MI) PD transitioned away from the Chevy Impala after a Ford Contour (non-SVT) wasted their cruisers in a pursuit. They need faster, and bigger cars than a tiny little Corolla. My dad fills out the cargo area of his Tahoe with all of the gear he has to carry. That crap's not fitting inside a Corolla or other similar tiny car. The big cars on the market and used by police right now really aren't all that roomy when the equipment is installed. With the cage in the back, the radio stacks and computers in front, the CVPI is a pretty tight fit. The Tahoe is remarkably better, but it is an even larger car. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:56:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: WTF Give me a good ol' AMERCIAN GAS V8 Carbon Motors: 250 hp, 400 lb-ft Crown Victoria: 250 hp, 297 lb-ft |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:57:49 PM EDT
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The other answer is to have a paddy wagon and not transport prisoners in the cars.
That works too. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:58:11 PM EDT
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A diesel isn't going to fare well with this type of use... What they save in fuel is going to cost in maintenance Really? You don't know as much as you think you do. Diesel engines have a reputation for not holding up to stop and go use in trucks. Not in cars. Because the engines that they put in cars are lighter. Quoted:
Give me a good ol' AMERCIAN GAS V8 No reason to use a V8 anymore. I'd go for twin turbos and direct injection. Quoted:
Nothings wrong with diesel... Just don't think it's going to make a good pursuit vehicle... Why is what you think so important? Why don't you Google "Le Mans" and "diesel." OK Wombat Jack... Riddle me this... Why did UPS removed diesel engines and replace them with Gas engines in their package cars? In the P800 package cars they went from a Cummings "A" motor (onan) to an Italian diesel to the Chevy vortex 4.3 liter? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:00:29 PM EDT
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I'm unfamiliar with an engine company called Cummings. Perhaps you have a link?
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:05:03 PM EDT
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I'm unfamiliar with an engine company called Cummings. Perhaps you have a link? Think he meant Cummins. This Although Carbon Motors says their engines are styled after European engines that are workhorses and get tremendous service life and performance. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:06:10 PM EDT
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The other answer is to have a paddy wagon and not transport prisoners in the cars. That works too. Requires more personnel and vehicles to be operational. Would love the idea so that my car would quit smelling like drunks and vomit though. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:07:37 PM EDT
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I'm unfamiliar with an engine company called Cummings. Perhaps you have a link? Think he meant Cummins. This Although Carbon Motors says their engines are styled after European engines that are workhorses and get tremendous service life and performance. Carbon's engines are supplied byBMW. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:08:52 PM EDT
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The other answer is to have a paddy wagon and not transport prisoners in the cars. That works too. Considering that many departments are trying to fend off lay-offs... a solution that requires additional paid personnel is probably not a viable option. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:13:16 PM EDT
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I'm unfamiliar with an engine company called Cummings. Perhaps you have a link? Wasn't he in that nailin palin movie? |
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