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Posted: 12/21/2010 1:36:09 PM EDT

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:39:42 PM EDT

[#1]

It shoots a 22 caliber bullet.

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It seems that many are confused by 22 long rifle rimefire vs 22 caliber. Both are 22 caliber. Many states won't let you hunt deer with a 22 caliber centerfire.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:40:30 PM EDT

[#2]

yes

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:40:52 PM EDT

[#3]

yes .22 centerfire

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:41:13 PM EDT

[#4]

Yes

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:41:19 PM EDT

[#5]

22 caliber centerfire as opposed to 22 caliber rimfire.

But you can shoot the rimfire in the centerfire because.....wait for it....They are both 22 caliber.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:41:29 PM EDT

[#6]

Yep.

There are kits around to permit the AR to shoot .22 Long-rifle ammunition.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:41:50 PM EDT

[#7]

Yes, but in is not a rimfire.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:44:05 PM EDT

[#8]

I'm not sure anybody answered this yet so I'll chime in - yes.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:48:40 PM EDT

[#9]

Yes it is, and it's a reason why you can get a conversion kit BCG that will allow your rifle to shoot .22lr without changing the barrel.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:50:53 PM EDT

[#10]

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Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:55:03 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:55:07 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

VA has a whacky deer hunting law that says the gun has to be .23 caliber or bigger. So basically you can't use .223, only .243 and bigger.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:59:25 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

Posted: 12/21/2010 1:59:54 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

.22lr shoots a .223 bullet....

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:01:10 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

The original loading for the Hornet was a different caliber, but it is now standardized at .224, just like other ".22s".

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:01:51 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

.22lr shoots a .223 bullet....

The ruling says "A caliber greater than .22" NOT "A caliber/cartridge greater than .22LR"

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:03:03 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

The original loading for the Hornet was a different caliber, but it is now standardized at .224, just like other ".22s".

/thread. Old_Painless has spoken.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:04:04 PM EDT

[#18]

I use a .22 bore snake for my M4.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:06:17 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

.22 rf dia is .219"

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:07:19 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

.22lr shoots a .223 bullet....

The ruling says "A caliber greater than .22" NOT "A caliber/cartridge greater than .22LR"

OK, so you'll be filling out multiple purchase reports for 10/22's, Marlin Model 60 795's and the like, right?

ETA: Correction, Model 60's are tube fed.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:08:10 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

.22 rf dia is .219"

No it isn't. 22lr is .223. .22 magnum is .224.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:08:20 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

The original loading for the Hornet was a different caliber, but it is now standardized at .224, just like other ".22s".

Good to know.

Out of curiosity, approximately how long ago did this happen?

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:10:54 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

.22lr shoots a .223 bullet....

The ruling says "A caliber greater than .22" NOT "A caliber/cartridge greater than .22LR"

OK, so you'll be filling out multiple purchase reports for 10/22's, Marlin Model 60 795's and the like, right?

ETA: Correction, Model 60's are tube fed.

I will be following the law, whatever that might be when implemented. Right now it says "A caliber greater than .22"

The purpose of the information is to

require Federal Firearms Licensees to

report multiple sales or other

dispositions whenever the licensee sells

or otherwise disposes of two or more

rifles within any five consecutive

business days with the following

characteristics: (a) Semi automatic; (b) a

caliber greater than .22; and (c) the

ability to accept a detachable magazine.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:14:41 PM EDT

[#24]

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I will be following the law, whatever that might be when implemented. Right now it says "A caliber greater than .22"

Given that that's what it says, and that's all we have to go off of, will you be filling out the report for 2 AR-15'a or 2 10/22's?

What we have now is bullshit. What does it actually mean? Caliber is an actual firearms term. A .223 or 5.56 IS .22 caliber by definition. By actual definition, not measurement, a 5.56x45 is .219 caliber...

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:17:11 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

The original loading for the Hornet was a different caliber, but it is now standardized at .224, just like other ".22s".

Good to know.

Out of curiosity, approximately how long ago did this happen?

It came out in the 1920s and I believe it standardized at .224 shortly after that, due to the difficulty of getting the undersized original bullets.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:20:08 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I will be following the law, whatever that might be when implemented. Right now it says "A caliber greater than .22"

Given that that's what it says, and that's all we have to go off of, will you be filling out the report for 2 AR-15'a or 2 10/22's?

What we have now is bullshit. What does it actually mean? Caliber is an actual firearms term. A .223 or 5.56 IS .22 caliber by definition. By actual definition, not measurement, a 5.56x45 is .219 caliber...

I am sure their will be a clarification to map calibers and cartridges. This ruling was ill-prepared, there are many loopholes, one is the 5.45x39 is NOT > .22 So Cartels will just switch to AK-74s

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:30:54 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

.22 rf dia is .219"

No it isn't. 22lr is .223. .22 magnum is .224.

I'm talking about bore diameters

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:31:06 PM EDT

[#28]

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I will be following the law, whatever that might be when implemented. Right now it says "A caliber greater than .22"

Given that that's what it says, and that's all we have to go off of, will you be filling out the report for 2 AR-15'a or 2 10/22's?

What we have now is bullshit. What does it actually mean? Caliber is an actual firearms term. A .223 or 5.56 IS .22 caliber by definition. By actual definition, not measurement, a 5.56x45 is .219 caliber...

I am sure their will be a clarification to map calibers and cartridges. This ruling was ill-prepared, there are many loopholes, one is the 5.45x39 is NOT > .22 So Cartels will just switch to AK-74s

Yeah, to me it's apparent it was written by someone completely unfamiliar with firearms. Good point on the 5.45, forgot about that one! According to most, this will be struck down anyway. The BATFE doesn't have the authority to do it. I guess we'll see.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:31:46 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

.22 rf dia is .219"

No it isn't. 22lr is .223. .22 magnum is .224.

I'm talking about bore diameters

.22 RF has a bore diameter of .217". .223 has a bore diameter of .219".

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:37:23 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

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I will be following the law, whatever that might be when implemented. Right now it says "A caliber greater than .22"

Given that that's what it says, and that's all we have to go off of, will you be filling out the report for 2 AR-15'a or 2 10/22's?

What we have now is bullshit. What does it actually mean? Caliber is an actual firearms term. A .223 or 5.56 IS .22 caliber by definition. By actual definition, not measurement, a 5.56x45 is .219 caliber...

I am sure their will be a clarification to map calibers and cartridges. This ruling was ill-prepared, there are many loopholes, one is the 5.45x39 is NOT > .22 So Cartels will just switch to AK-74s

This law won't impact cartels at all, only us. Well, they might laugh at how stupid we are while they are handing mexican police officers hard cash for department owned guns.

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Posted: 12/21/2010 2:38:46 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

.22 rf dia is .219"

No it isn't. 22lr is .223. .22 magnum is .224.

I'm talking about bore diameters

.22 RF has a bore diameter of .217". .223 has a bore diameter of .219".

Well I was close

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:43:05 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

The original loading for the Hornet was a different caliber, but it is now standardized at .224, just like other ".22s".

Good to know.

Out of curiosity, approximately how long ago did this happen?

It came out in the 1920s and I believe it standardized at .224 shortly after that, due to the difficulty of getting the undersized original bullets.

I believe your correct O_P, there is a wide variation in .22 Hornets in .223 and .224 dia barrels/bullets and also an often overlooked dimension is the throat. Some have extremely long throats causing accuracy issues. One must be aware that some of the other .22 Centerfire cartridges of that era also can be .223 bore, I found some of the old reloading manuals had excellent info on this.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:47:04 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

The original loading for the Hornet was a different caliber, but it is now standardized at .224, just like other ".22s".

Good to know.

Out of curiosity, approximately how long ago did this happen?

It came out in the 1920s and I believe it standardized at .224 shortly after that, due to the difficulty of getting the undersized original bullets.

I believe your correct O_P, there is a wide variation in .22 Hornets in .223 and .224 dia barrels/bullets and also an often overlooked dimension is the throat. Some have extremely long throats causing accuracy issues. One must be aware that some of the other .22 Centerfire cartridges of that era also can be .223 bore, I found some of the old reloading manuals had excellent info on this.

That is correct.

It came about from wildcatters using .22 Long Rifle barrels and chambering them for centerfire calibers.

The .220 Swift, for instance, was started out like this, and got a reputation for "shooting out barrels" with a very short barrel life. But it was actually caused by using .22 LR barrels, that were made of milder steel and they would not hold up to the pressures and velocities of the very fast .220 Swift.

Standardizing on .224, with better barrel steel, eliminated these problems.

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:55:47 PM EDT

[#34]

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That is correct.

It came about from wildcatters using .22 Long Rifle barrels and chambering them for centerfire calibers.

The .220 Swift, for instance, was started out like this, and got a reputation for "shooting out barrels" with a very short barrel life. But it was actually caused by using .22 LR barrels, that were made of milder steel and they would not hold up to the pressures and velocities of the very fast .220 Swift.

Standardizing on .224, with better barrel steel, eliminated these problems.

Funny, you should mention the Swift as I have one. The steel of the day wasn't quite up to the task of pushing the Swift to its max potential in IIRC 1925 when it was introduced. Add some gun writers of the day who didn't know anything about steels and "barrel burner" was born. It took some good writers like Ken Waters to help dispel some of these myths. I love Ken Water's "Pet Loads" books, a wealth of info especially on some of the older cartridges from old days. A must in any reloader's library of reference reading!!!!

Posted: 12/21/2010 2:57:06 PM EDT

[#35]

Yes.

That is why ranges, or towns, or whatever should be more careful about the regulations they write.

Posted: 12/21/2010 3:00:26 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I will be following the law, whatever that might be when implemented. Right now it says "A caliber greater than .22"

Given that that's what it says, and that's all we have to go off of, will you be filling out the report for 2 AR-15'a or 2 10/22's?

What we have now is bullshit. What does it actually mean? Caliber is an actual firearms term. A .223 or 5.56 IS .22 caliber by definition. By actual definition, not measurement, a 5.56x45 is .219 caliber...

I am sure their will be a clarification to map calibers and cartridges. This ruling was ill-prepared, there are many loopholes, one is the 5.45x39 is NOT > .22 So Cartels will just switch to AK-74s

They won't be switching anything since they aren't getting their guns from shops here.

Posted: 12/21/2010 3:03:00 PM EDT

[#37]

Yes.

"Caliber" refers only to bore diameter, not the cartridge that a given firearm fires.

Posted: 12/21/2010 3:05:18 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I will be following the law, whatever that might be when implemented. Right now it says "A caliber greater than .22"

Given that that's what it says, and that's all we have to go off of, will you be filling out the report for 2 AR-15'a or 2 10/22's?

What we have now is bullshit. What does it actually mean? Caliber is an actual firearms term. A .223 or 5.56 IS .22 caliber by definition. By actual definition, not measurement, a 5.56x45 is .219 caliber...

I am sure their will be a clarification to map calibers and cartridges. This ruling was ill-prepared, there are many loopholes, one is the 5.45x39 is NOT > .22 So Cartels will just switch to AK-74s

They won't be switching anything since they aren't getting their guns from shops here.

Maybe not in GA, but plenty of Texas shops have had traces come back to them, some FFLs have lost their licenses as a result. I guess that is why the ruling will only affect the four border states.

Posted: 12/21/2010 4:07:39 PM EDT

[#39]

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Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

not really. 22 lr is .223 not .224 hence the accuracy issues with rimfire conversion kits.

Posted: 12/21/2010 4:11:26 PM EDT

[#40]

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.22 RF has a bore diameter of .217". .223 has a bore diameter of .219".

Well I was close

Depending on who made the barrel...

Posted: 12/21/2010 4:13:54 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is a gun chambered for .223 Remington considered a .22 caliber gun?

I know where you are going but the Ruling is "A caliber greater than .22"

.223 (technically .224) is greater than .22

They're all .224 inches in diameter.

I thought 22 hornet and some others were different? I reload so I remember them as being different.

The original loading for the Hornet was a different caliber, but it is now standardized at .224, just like other ".22s".

/thread. Old_Painless has spoken.

move along folks, nothing to see here

Posted: 12/21/2010 4:26:22 PM EDT

[#42]

Wow, this thread just made me realize that my CCW;s are the only things I have, that is over 22 cal. .22lr, .22 winmag, .223 rem. well, shottys don't count.

Welp, time to hit the fun store for an AR-10.

Posted: 12/21/2010 5:07:03 PM EDT

[#43]

So what does the BATFE mean by ".22 caliber"

Posted: 12/21/2010 5:27:39 PM EDT

[#44]

My .22 Jets have two different groove diameters. The Model 53 is .222 (same as .22 RF's) and the Contender is .223 inches. The Model 53 is a first year of production gun with the .22 Magnum barrel Smith used on .22 Win Mag revolvers.

Early .22 Hornets used .223 barrels up to somewhere around 1948 to 1950, then switched to .224 diameter.

Posted: 12/21/2010 5:32:37 PM EDT

[#45]

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So what does the BATFE mean by ".22 caliber"

If I had to guess, their intention was to exempt .22 rimfires.

Posted: 12/21/2010 5:32:41 PM EDT

[#46]

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Welp, time to hit the fun store for an AR-10.

Do it. I was in the same boat and happened to be introduced to the RRA LAR-8 at the fun shop. It was a bit over a grand and it is SWEET and accurate as hell. I think Stoner had it right the first time.