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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:33:47 AM EDT
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Food
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:35:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Food Guns and ammo takes food. eta: I don't mean stealing, I mean hunting. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:35:28 AM EDT
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Food And as soon as food becomes very expensive and hard to get the next item in great demand will be ammo |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:35:41 AM EDT
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Food
Tobacco Alcohol Guns/Ammo Fuel |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:37:17 AM EDT
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Pints of Jack Daniels and packs of Marlboro Ciggy's would be like gold.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:37:37 AM EDT
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Hard liquor would be your best investment.
Extremely fungible. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:39:16 AM EDT
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Toilet paper, Tissues, Band-Aids, Neosporin, Aspirin, Fanta Orange soda,,,,
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:39:34 AM EDT
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Axes/ Saws to cut wood.
Large pots to boil water. Shoulder Pads 
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:39:37 AM EDT
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parts for everything.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:40:53 AM EDT
[#10]
Diet Coke
Nyquil Chapstick Puffs Plus |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:44:32 AM EDT
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Which items would be of the biggest value to have set aside ahead of time. Its not a breakdown of society and government services. Just every thing cost 20 or 100x what it did before. The basics would suck up all of a person's budget, so forget most of the consumer "I want" crap and focus on the "I need" stuff. What do you have to buy on a daily/weekly/monthly basis? *food *clean water *sturdy work clothes, shoes *transportation *shelter *heat and fuel for heat (shelter and cooking) *blankets and warm clothing Which of these items are impractical to make yourself? *Well, none of them are totally impossible, but few people will be able or willing to supply themselves with all that. Fuel is a tough one, unless you can easily harvest wood, and that has limitations. Look at third world nations: motor scooters, bicycles, and shoe leather would make a tremendous comeback in the US. Our cities are poorly designed for low tech transport, though, there would be a huge restructuring necessary to move people closer to work and basic services, or to move work and services to them. Gardening would be the new #1 hobby, so basic, non-luxury gardening supplies would be popular. What luxury items will remain in some demand? *alcohol *tobacco *chocolate *ice *low cost entertainment *concealable weapons, home defense weapons *off grid power Will there be a demand for jewelry, electronics, tools, etc.? *Sure, but we have a tremendous surplus of most of that right now. Every woman has a box full of shiny things. In theory, at least, six families can share one lawnmower or a toolbox. Neighbors shared the same TV all the time in the 50's, whole villages share one TV now in third world nations. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:47:21 AM EDT
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Diet Coke Nyquil Chapstick Puffs Plus I see what you did here 
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:50:32 AM EDT
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Which items would be of the biggest value to have set aside ahead of time. Its not a breakdown of society and government services. Just every thing cost 20 or 100x what it did before. Booze Tobacco No matter how bad things get, people want to drink and smoke. Hax |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:53:55 AM EDT
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Which items would be of the biggest value to have set aside ahead of time. Its not a breakdown of society and government services. Just every thing cost 20 or 100x what it did before. The basics would suck up all of a person's budget, so forget most of the consumer "I want" crap and focus on the "I need" stuff. What do you have to buy on a daily/weekly/monthly basis? *food *clean water *sturdy work clothes, shoes *transportation *shelter *heat and fuel for heat (shelter and cooking) *blankets and warm clothing Which of these items are impractical to make yourself? *Well, none of them are totally impossible, but few people will be able or willing to supply themselves with all that. Fuel is a tough one, unless you can easily harvest wood, and that has limitations. Look at third world nations: motor scooters, bicycles, and shoe leather would make a tremendous comeback in the US. Our cities are poorly designed for low tech transport, though, there would be a huge restructuring necessary to move people closer to work and basic services, or to move work and services to them. Gardening would be the new #1 hobby, so basic, non-luxury gardening supplies would be popular. What luxury items will remain in some demand? *alcohol *tobacco *chocolate *ice *low cost entertainment *concealable weapons, home defense weapons *off grid power Will there be a demand for jewelry, electronics, tools, etc.? *Sure, but we have a tremendous surplus of most of that right now. Every woman has a box full of shiny things. In theory, at least, six families can share one lawnmower or a toolbox. Neighbors shared the same TV all the time in the 50's, whole villages share one TV now in third world nations. Great post. 
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:54:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Diet Coke Nyquil Chapstick Puffs Plus I see what you did here Not sure what you mean. Those few items are some of the finest (cheap) luxuries in the modern world.  And yes the Puffs Plus can have a 2nd personal clean up function if necessary. 
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:54:37 AM EDT
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Vice items for barter.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:01:54 AM EDT
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Im not underestimating the value of toilet paper...
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:05:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:11:06 AM EDT
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Which items would be of the biggest value to have set aside ahead of time. Its not a breakdown of society and government services. Just every thing cost 20 or 100x what it did before. Booze Tobacco No matter how bad things get, More people want to drink and smoke. Hax fixed it for ya. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:12:06 AM EDT
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food.
the MOST basic need for life is nurishment. security comes second. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:13:16 AM EDT
[#21]
Toillet paper!
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:16:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Toillet paper! Shit in the creek. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:17:29 AM EDT
[#23]
Food
Fuel Ammo Alcohol and Smokes |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:20:06 AM EDT
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Toillet paper! Shit in the creek. 1. Toilet paper doesn't allow you to shit, it allows you to not smell like shit. (I'd explain it's real function but that'd take too many words) 2. Arizona is decidedly lacking in creeks. Nice try Cooter. Your sister is getting lonely. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:22:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: food. the MOST basic need for life is nurishment. security comes second. Maslow was a genius.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:23:22 AM EDT
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food. the MOST basic need for life is nurishment. security comes second. Well, remember the rule of two- you die after two minutes without air, two hours without shelter (in extreme weather, indefinitely in rare perfect weather), two days without water (in extreme heat, up to ten days in mild weather), two weeks without food. Yes, there are exceptions. Unknowns are the time before dying from lack of security, and lack of medical care, you have to guess what those are/will be and balance them against the other factors when equipping. A pallet of 5.56 won't help much if you die of dysentery or freeze to death. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:38:08 AM EDT
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Im not underestimating the value of toilet paper... This! #1 most overlooked item for SHTF.......and the pants if we don't have it. 
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:44:46 AM EDT
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Toillet paper! Shit in the creek. 1. Toilet paper doesn't allow you to shit, it allows you to not smell like shit. (I'd explain it's real function but that'd take too many words) 2. Arizona is decidedly lacking in creeks. Nice try Cooter. Your sister is getting lonely. Not to mention infecting the water supply. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:47:02 AM EDT
[#29]
Food
Water (+ filter/purifying supplies) Medical Supplies Guns (Think concealable handguns, not so much large rifles) Ammo If you only stocked up on guns and ammo and expect to only hunt for food, you are a fool. Millions have this exact same plan. Game species would be extinct in very little time. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:49:55 AM EDT
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TP can be replaced by old newspaper, leaves etc... Just going to have a sore arse for a while.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:58:56 AM EDT
[#31]
Tampons. The wimminz will not go without.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:59:53 AM EDT
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TP can be replaced by old newspaper, leaves etc... Just going to have a sore arse for a while. When my dad was growing up in Hungary, they used Hungarian-language issues of Pravda. 
Like Lumpy said, toilet paper is extremely important, especially if you have a woman/women in the household. I always keep a ton of it on hand.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:00:30 AM EDT
[#33]
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Food Tobacco Alcohol Guns/Ammo Fuel Yup. That would be a good start. PM's aren't bad either, they will always have a value, but that would only help you if you are at a place that others aren't trying to steal everything you have to just take. Can't really trade with someone bent on taking. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:09:10 AM EDT
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lots of toilet paper, i ain't usin' no leaves.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:10:22 AM EDT
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Food Tobacco Alcohol Guns/Ammo Fuel This is my thinking. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:12:10 AM EDT
[#36]
lots of toilet paper, i ain't usin' no leaves.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:15:29 AM EDT
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Booze? Stills would crop up everywhere and there'd be no shortage of moonshine available. Cigs? Could grow your own tobacky. Ammo? Could make your own with the right setup, or stockpile now. Food? Gardens would provide and raising chickens/goats etc Guns? Probably couldn't make those from scratch without serious equipment, and skill. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:51:42 AM EDT
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Which items would be of the biggest value to have set aside ahead of time. Its not a breakdown of society and government services. Just every thing cost 20 or 100x what it did before. Well anything really. If everything goes up the same percent, then it doesn't matter. ––––––- Right of I would say tobacco and booze, but only if you can produce them cheaper. For that matter drugs would be a good business to explore too, but almost no drugs originate inside the USA already––just weed. ~ |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 11:14:03 AM EDT
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Which items would be of the biggest value to have set aside ahead of time. Its not a breakdown of society and government services. Just every thing cost 20 or 100x what it did before. Booze Tobacco No matter how bad things get, More people want to drink and smoke. Hax fixed it for ya. Was told just that from a Depression Era bootlegger. Said in good or bad times, people will ALWAYS smoke and drink. That was 1980 and those words still hold true today. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 12:15:57 PM EDT
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A still. And the knowledge of how to run it There are good PDF's on the interwebs about home distillation).
How does Coffee and Sugar hold up in storage? Can they be stored for 20 years with no problem? If so, then a couple thousand pounds of each. Arable land, fruit trees, etc. Gold and silver. (purchased at 2001 levels) I can't help but think it's in a bubble right now. If it's not, then we are truly screwed even worse than we think. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:37:48 PM EDT
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Sugar is good forever, as long as it doesn't get wet and you keep critters out. I don't know about coffee, probably quite a while if you're talking whole bean and oxygen purged.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:39:46 PM EDT
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bicycle tubes
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:46:31 PM EDT
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I guess that would depend on where you live.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:47:53 PM EDT
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1. Food.
2. Fuel for heating and transportation. 3. Everything else. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:50:32 PM EDT
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fuel and food
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:50:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:51:08 PM EDT
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I am thinking liquor is a good investment.
Why? Consider the alternatives: 1) Food? Its going to be one of the biggest concerns on people's mind...why let them know I have "more than I need" by trading it? 2) Water? Water purification kits actually might be a good thing to barter. But, they aren't very exciting to buy, or extremely useful if S doesn't HTF. For minor SHTF or camping, you'll be good with a few of them, you won't need 20. 3) Guns & ammo? No, I don't think its a good idea to be arming people who I don't know very well who may try to attack me later. Plus, the liquor will come in handy for non-SHTF parties.  |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:51:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Food Guns and ammo takes food. eta: I don't mean stealing, I mean hunting. Hunting dries up real fast when everyone is hungry. Talk to anyone that lived in Appalachia in the 1930s. Deer were nearly impossible to find. They ate a lot of squirrel and were not opposed to eating opossum, raccoon and similar. There won't be many fish in the creeks, either. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:53:10 PM EDT
[#49]
shit tickets
sugar salt coffee booze ammo tobacco canning jar lids vegetable oil |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:54:08 PM EDT
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chocolate
Cannot have enough evar! |
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