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glad you're ok dude, but damn, a blown up RNWMP pistol makes me want to cry
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Talk shit now Glock haters!
No seriously, that sucks ass. What a fucking shame to see a nice gun die. |
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Don't think I take any pleasure in this.
I got it from an old friend who had it for 50 years. He said he shot it right after he bought it, then put it away. It came to me wrapped in an oily rag, in a classic Kennedy toolbox, with cleaning tools. |
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That might be the sadest thing I've seen all day. sorry Hate to see that. Glad your OK. |
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No bulge in the barrel means no squib. What you had was a double charge of powder.
Firing with the cylinder out of alignment would not have caused damage like that. Besides, if the cylinder were really out of alignment, the firing pin wouldn't have hit the primer. Check the primer on the case that caused the kaboom. I'll bet that the firing pin strike is dead center, or very close to it. Sorry to say this, but it was carelessness that caused this kaboom. Thank your lucky stars that you didn't get hurt. |
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My son and I did something similiar to a sort of rare old Astra 1915..French WWI issued .32 auto..
Was shooting some reloads, son was shooting and must have had a squib load..then fired about 2 more rounds behind it..and the gun locked up. I examined it..and it had a stack of bullets in the barrel. Bulged the barrel...essentially ruined a cool old piece. Fortunately, the old Astra had a thick, tough barrel.....and I'm a dumb-ass |
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The old girl pulled serious service and has an inglorious end. Sorry OP, that really blows.
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Thats a whole lot of mess. It could have literally been bad metal in the cylinder. in 1921 they didnt exactly have the tech we have now. Kinda weird it blew up 2 cartridges no?
I wonder if Colt wouldnt have an opinion on this or if they wouldnt take it in for testing. Can you even double charge with the loads you were cooking up? |
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And how.
That might be the saddest thing I've seen all day. sorry |
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The old girl pulled serious service and has an inglorious end. Sorry OP, that really blows. Think of it this way. It went out being shot. The worst death of a gun is sitting in a box, long forgotten and left to rust away. And a cheap shot: When did glock start making revolvers? |
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Thats a whole lot of mess. It could have literally been bad metal in the cylinder. in 1921 they didnt exactly have the tech we have now. Kinda weird it blew up 2 cartridges no? I wonder if Colt wouldnt have an opinion on this or if they wouldnt take it in for testing. Can you even double charge with the loads you were cooking up? I do have resources to check the metal - and there's a reddish discoloration along the break that may be rust. I couldn't find the other half of that break line. I also didn't find the unfired bullet or primer. I'm not sure if the loaded cartrige fired, or the bullet and primer were just forced out. There's no soot on the brass. |
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Thats a whole lot of mess. It could have literally been bad metal in the cylinder. in 1921 they didnt exactly have the tech we have now. Kinda weird it blew up 2 cartridges no? I wonder if Colt wouldnt have an opinion on this or if they wouldnt take it in for testing. Can you even double charge with the loads you were cooking up? I do have resources to check the metal - and there's a reddish discoloration along the break that may be rust. I couldn't find the other half of that break line. I also didn't find the unfired bullet or primer. I'm not sure if the loaded cartrige fired, or the bullet and primer were just forced out. There's no soot on the brass. sorry |
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Heartbreaking. You lost a classic firearm. :(
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Glad you did not get hurt. I don't think weak brass would do that. Looks like a double charge or maybe a primer was dropped down in the shell. CSI stuff man.
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it went out doing what it was meant to do.
glad your hand is okay. |
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any way a skilled welder could replace metal in the frame? A very skilled machinist might be able to cosmetically restore it, but it will never safely fire again. |
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No bulge in the barrel means no squib. What you had was a double charge of powder. Firing with the cylinder out of alignment would not have caused damage like that. Besides, if the cylinder were really out of alignment, the firing pin wouldn't have hit the primer. Check the primer on the case that caused the kaboom. I'll bet that the firing pin strike is dead center, or very close to it. Sorry to say this, but it was carelessness that caused this kaboom. Thank your lucky stars that you didn't get hurt. Could be - but I don't think so. These were individually weighed. Empty cases in one tray, charged in another. I visually check powder levels before I seat bullets. There were test loads - I loaded them 5 at a time. I'm very thankful I wasn't hurt. The case that blew up. Top of cylinder was up. http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o24/Lost-Drive-In/colt/0043.jpg A case from an earlier shot: http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o24/Lost-Drive-In/colt/0044.jpg If you were looking at each one, I doubt you'd not have noticed a double charge. And 6.8gr of W231 is pretty mild for that gun. My money is on metallurgy. |
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That fuckin' sucks. Beautiful old piece, too.
ETA: Good that you're in one piece, even if the gun ain't. They don't make them like that anymore. |
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Im thinking a stress crack or cracks from somone shooting some real full house stuff through the old girl. Maybe even prior to you owning it. Combined with being such an old pistol. Heck alot of loads now dwarf loads when they were originally designed. They just didnt have the tech in 1921 we do now. Its a real shame it happened to the pistol. Like with any older firearm its better to error on the gentle side with loads.
Think about old antique shotguns. There are plenty of older shotguns that would absolutely blow up with some of the modern high brass loads we have today. I had an Old (dont even know what year or and cant remember what brand it was) Double 16 gauge. That almost seperated on me using fiochi low brass loads. If my brother didnt say " Hey wtf was that? It sounded funny when you shot that bird" The next trigger pull might have been my last |
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I'm glad you are ok but what a damn bummer about the Colt.
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Im thinking a stress crack or cracks from somone shooting some real full house stuff through the old girl. Maybe even prior to you owning it. Combined with being such an old pistol. Heck alot of loads now dwarf loads when they were originally designed. They just didnt have the tech in 1921 we do now. Its a real shame it happened to the pistol. Like with any older firearm its better to error on the gentle side with loads. Think about old antique shotguns. There are plenty of older shotguns that would absolutely blow up with some of the modern high brass loads we have today. I had an Old (dont even know what year or and cant remember what brand it was) Double 16 gauge. That almost seperated on me using fiochi low brass loads. If my brother didnt say " Hey wtf was that? It sounded funny when you shot that bird" The next trigger pull might have been my last I would put my money on this one...stress cracks form previous hot loads.... sorry |
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Double charge. That's horrible to see. Reloaded .45 colt many years now. Hot charges crack the brass. Ask how I know. That is a double charge. Not much tolerance for hot loads unless Blackhawk. |
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Would the case hold a double charge? Charge is very small. Case may hold a triple charge. |
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OP- glad you're all right–– sorry to see that destruction....
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So what ever happend to proving guns with a 4x normal charge like they did back in the day so stuff like this doesn't happen?
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