User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 8:45:36 AM EDT
[#1]
What do you expect? Its new jersey.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 8:51:50 AM EDT
[#2]
Doesn't this violate someone's "right to choose"? [%|]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 9:01:54 AM EDT
[#3]
Insanity. Just another reason to move the hell out of Jersey, California, etc...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 9:55:48 AM EDT
[#4]
While I do not agree with the ruling, I have the following comment to offer:
If you've treated the child as your own, from birth: loved it as a father does; nurtured and cared and laughed and cried and all the other things that go along with being a "Dad": then you're the Dad--as far as the child is concerned. If you want to punish the skank that cuckolded you, then go ahead. Just don't take it out on the child. Did you stop loving him/her when you found out that you weren't the spermn donor? Any male can be a "father". Be a man. Be a Dad. Sorry for the preaching. Hits kinda close to home. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 10:04:02 AM EDT
[#5]
New Jersey. By Crooks, For Crooks.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 10:04:43 AM EDT
[#6]
Can't fully agree with Fatman, but personal experience says that the child will have strong feelings about the man and leaving the childs life will really hurt that kid. A bad situation walked away from, constant battles etc. hurts the child more than male abandonment though. That situation was mine to decide. My daughter turned out quite well and the B#*+% did a good job raising her.[B)]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 2:31:14 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted: The courts presume as a matter of law that where a child is born to a married couple ..., paternity attaches. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 2:37:29 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted: While I do not agree with the ruling, I have the following comment to offer: If you've treated the child as your own, from birth: loved it as a father does; nurtured and cared and laughed and cried and all the other things that go along with being a "Dad": then you're the Dad--as far as the child is concerned. If you want to punish the skank that cuckolded you, then go ahead. Just don't take it out on the child. Did you stop loving him/her when you found out that you weren't the spermn donor? Any male can be a "father". Be a man. Be a Dad. Sorry for the preaching. Hits kinda close to home. Amen to that. If I found out tomorrow that my daughter is not my biological child it would not matter to me at all. She's mine as much as any child I might have fathered, and I will never stop loving her. My boy, on the other hand, is definitely mine! He looks just like me! |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 2:58:04 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted: Quoted: While I do not agree with the ruling, I have the following comment to offer: If you've treated the child as your own, from birth: loved it as a father does; nurtured and cared and laughed and cried and all the other things that go along with being a "Dad": then you're the Dad--as far as the child is concerned. If you want to punish the skank that cuckolded you, then go ahead. Just don't take it out on the child. Did you stop loving him/her when you found out that you weren't the spermn donor? Any male can be a "father". Be a man. Be a Dad. Sorry for the preaching. Hits kinda close to home. Amen to that. If I found out tomorrow that my daughter is not my biological child it would not matter to me at all. She's mine as much as any child I might have fathered, and I will never stop loving her. My boy, on the other hand, is definitely mine! He looks just like me! You both have a point, however, your scenarios are just to sunshiny... Think of a guy who finds out it's not his, say six months after his Girlfriend put his name on the birth certificate. He might want out of the realtionship because of the infidelity, which she tried to hide by putting [i]his[/i] name on the papers, and he would rightly think that the biological father should pony up for the kid. I agree that a man shouldn't bail on a kid he's helped raise, however, you should not force a person to pay child support for offspring that isn't theirs. It should be left up to the individual in the situation, if he wants to support the child, great. If not, start looking for the biological father. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 3:16:05 PM EDT
[#10]
Brought to you by the same legal system that proclaimed:
"NJ residents who own guns do so at their own risk. The burden of proof in firearms offenses lies with the accused, not the state." I paraphrased but that's it from the supreme court: guilty until proven innocent. I do take exception to the crooks remark though. Be careful how you paint a group of people with a wide brush... (fanatical, government hating heathen gun owners!) |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 3:29:08 PM EDT
[#11]
Fatman you are an allright dude!!!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 4:02:27 PM EDT
[#12]
It's been a long snow and wind filled day so don't hold me to this-
In NY if you hold yourself out as the father you are usually on the hook for the kid. There is also a presumption that a husband is the father of the child. It is difficult to get out of paternity later. The legal theory is that the Court should protect the child from guys who claim to be the father and then want to get out of it later, that way the child will be more likely to be assured of receiving child support. Makes it tough for a guy who's wife leaves when the child is 7 or so then goes around a small town joking about how the child is really the Fed Ex guy's, or whoever, while he pays for child support. Also in NY altho a man is not responsible to his wife for the support of stepchildren, if she goes on welfare the county can petition him for support of the children, which usually forces him to cough up the money for a divorce right away. On the other hand, I have ran into many men who step in to help raise a woman's child who is not their own, but for whatever reason never adopted the child. Then the mother takes off and the guy has no legal right to see the child he has thought of, and treated and raised as his own, even if he was not the sperm donor. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 8:14:11 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted: Quoted: The courts presume as a matter of law that where a child is born to a married couple ..., paternity attaches. True. Several years back there was a case in I believe PRK where the real father was not permitted visitation in spite of DNA testing, because the woman was married to another at the time of birth or conception, I forget which, and the husband was determined to be the legal father, even though he wasn't the biological one. The biological one did not get visitation to his own kid. Also, last year a guy here was convicted of murdering his wife. The motive, according to the prosecution, was that he had a son with his wife (or so he thought), who he had raised with her from infancy to the age of 23. In reality, his wife had been spreading her legs for a "family friend" and the 23-year old was fathered by that guy. The wife had intended to tell the boy after all this time that his gfather was really someone else, and the prosecutors presented that as a motive. So even after he got past the infidelity, the husband evidently couldn't stand to see his son get hurt & used by the bitc*, or at least that was the theory. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/22/2002 9:14:31 PM EDT
[#14]
[b]Circumstance #1:[/b]
Father "A" spends two years raising child. Child knows him as "daddy". Paternity test shows he's not the Father. [u]He bolts.[/u] [b]1st Choice of Action:[/b]State steps in and enforces "parental" [u]responsibility[/u] and forces him to continue supporting the child. or... [b]2nd Choice of Action:[/b]State steps in and severs his "parental" [u]responsibility[/u] because he's not the father. Now, whatever of action you choose, apply it to the next circumstance. Be consistent. [b]Circumstance #2:[/b] Father "B" spends two years raising child. Child knows him as "daddy". Paternity test shows he's not the Father. [u]He stays.[/u] Bio-Dad shows up wanting the kid, saying the mommy lied to him. [b]1st Choice of Action:[/b]State steps in and supports "parental" [u]rights[/u] allowing "daddy" to continue raising the child and tells Bio-Dad to beat it. or... [b]2nd Choice of Action:[/b]State steps in and severs his "parental" [u]rights[/u] because he's not the father. Bio-Dad gets partial custody. My question - Does biological evidence supercede common sense? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/23/2002 6:06:51 AM EDT
[#15]
Thats why I left NJ. it sucks a rats ass....
~livin large in Texas~ they grow everything bigger in Texas! CB [@:d] |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/23/2002 6:28:30 AM EDT
[#16]
I'm so glad I moved from Jersey many moons ago
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/23/2002 7:02:20 AM EDT
[#17]
I will agree with the group that is glad that they moved from NJ. It was the best move I ever made.
But the standard for being the parent is different in legal cases. If you are the recognized parent and this comes from you being the person responsible for raising and supporting that child for whatever time period then you should be responsible in the end. It is not the states fault and it is not the kids fault that your wife lied to you or not. This is the states way of insuring that the child is supported and doesn't become the burden of the state. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/23/2002 3:24:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: While I do not agree with the ruling, I have the following comment to offer: If you've treated the child as your own, from birth: loved it as a father does; nurtured and cared and laughed and cried and all the other things that go along with being a "Dad": then you're the Dad--as far as the child is concerned. If you want to punish the skank that cuckolded you, then go ahead. Just don't take it out on the child. Did you stop loving him/her when you found out that you weren't the spermn donor? Any male can be a "father". Be a man. Be a Dad. Sorry for the preaching. Hits kinda close to home. That should be a personal choice; not a matter of law. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
