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Posted: 3/30/2010 7:43:17 PM EDT
Not urban combat but in the rural areas. Seems like a long distance. What is the average combat engagement distance for most firefights?

ETA: The reason I ask is I find it amazing when I watch footage from over there that our troops are shooting at people that I can't even see.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:44:23 PM EDT
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87 yards
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:45:10 PM EDT
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87 yards


Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:46:50 PM EDT
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Not urban combat but in the rural areas. Seems like a long distance. What is the average combat engagement distance for most firefights?

ETA: The reason I ask is I find it amazing when I watch footage from over there that our troops are shooting at people that I can't even see.


I too would like to know.  

Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:46:54 PM EDT
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87 yards




Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:47:31 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:47:33 PM EDT
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1,732 meters.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:49:12 PM EDT
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1,732 meters.


This + or - 1732 meters.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:49:20 PM EDT
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Over 9,000 angstroms
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:49:53 PM EDT
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87.87 meters
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 7:50:30 PM EDT
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87 yards








Link Posted: 3/30/2010 8:28:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2010 8:31:51 PM EDT
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25-800m
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:14:10 PM EDT
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“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:15:22 PM EDT
[#14]
25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:18:27 PM EDT
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14 nanometers.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:38:08 PM EDT
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.


Rural ive seen some past 800M. They usually are a far distance if the taliban can help it. Just from what ive seen.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:39:32 PM EDT
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10,000 leagues. Or maybe less.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:40:30 PM EDT
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“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer


All of ARFCOM should read this, very interesting.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:43:51 PM EDT
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Don't get me started but I'll just say thats why a peppier round is needed there for general issue at this time.They can get their beloved 5.56 back later.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:46:18 PM EDT
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Less than 12 parsecs...
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:48:20 PM EDT
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.


Rural ive seen some past 800M. They usually are a far distance if the taliban can help it. Just from what ive seen.




Seen this with a few complex attacks on some COPS.

Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:48:40 PM EDT
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Oh yeah , the average is a fur piece.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 9:58:25 PM EDT
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I'd bet it ranges from "OH SHIT" to "oh goddamit they're shooting again... fuck it"
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:04:43 PM EDT
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“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer


All of ARFCOM should read this, very interesting.


ETA:Damn it, I should have clicked the link before commenting.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:07:19 PM EDT
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87 yards












Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:08:10 PM EDT
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Eleventeen dikfer.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:11:06 PM EDT
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The approximate distance from the geographical center of the United States to Kabul, Afghanistan is 7,300 miles, so I'd say ... 7,300 miles.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:36:31 PM EDT
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25-50M or 600-800.

Never saw anything in between those two.


So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?

 


Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:40:37 PM EDT
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Eleventeen dikfer.


whats a dikf....
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:48:31 PM EDT
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?  



I wish I could find that pick of the Afghan insurgent with the M38 (I think) Mosin with the scope on it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:52:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:55:10 PM EDT
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2.668 to 5.804 light-microseconds, roughly.



Long range stuff is beyond 8 furlongs

Link Posted: 3/30/2010 10:57:12 PM EDT
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I would think that at those distances the M4 issue weapon would be  a fair bit behind  the power of a bolt .308 sniper weapon or the M-14 for infantry issue equipment.Going thru the rags also would slow down the light M-16 bullets
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:08:08 PM EDT
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At sufficient distances that there was a paper put out by the military about how the M4 couldn't hold it's own at 500 yard shots at dynamic targets.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:08:45 PM EDT
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Eleventeen dikfer.


whats a dikf....


Dont do it!
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:09:35 PM EDT
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“Comments from returning non-​​commissioned officers and officers reveal that about fifty percent of engagements occur past 300 meters."

Taken from the report in this thread: Taking Back the Infantry Half Kilometer


All of ARFCOM should read this, very interesting.


+1

That's what I was mentioning.  It's a great read.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:13:16 PM EDT
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Less than 12 parsecs...


damn, beat me to it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:17:00 PM EDT
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?  



Or they set a dshk up behind a hilltop and use the ballistic arc to walk rounds in on a position with the help of a durka spotter with an icom or roshan while you try like hell to find them and a mortar crew at the same time.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:18:27 PM EDT
[#39]
Even if I knew....  OPSEC.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:19:43 PM EDT
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?  



Havent seen any with a PK series but im sure they are out there. Seen ak's at damn near a kilometer, mortars, recoiless rifle, even a KPV russian machinegun at about two kilometers from a giant ass hill.
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:26:58 PM EDT
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150 cubit
Link Posted: 3/30/2010 11:28:29 PM EDT
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There have also been reports of Taliban, particularly those who actually have some idea of how to shoot (Afghanistan may have a culture of marksmanship, but it took a big hit by the Soviets), using Lee-Enfields, Mausers, and Mosin-Nagants for longer range fire and even developing tactics to best employ those men (in Marjah, apparently).  I recall reading one report of Taliban weapons captured and one of them was a 12-bore rifle .
Link Posted: 3/31/2010 6:47:03 AM EDT
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25-50M or 600-800.
Never saw anything in between those two.

So what are they shooting with at 600m? PKMs and RPGs?  



Yes.
Every group over 4 men had a PKM where I was at.  They bothered me.
Dude with the AK, not so much.
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