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Posted: 3/15/2002 7:34:13 PM EDT
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My uncle has, and so have two good friends of mine. Not a big deal, really. Put on your best coffee and just be yourself...as long as that's a GOOD thing, mind you!
The agent's job is just to ensure that you're a decent guy who doesn't seem like the type who wants to get into gun running or go out in a blaze of glory or anything like that. Oh, and the interview would NOT be a good time to start asking about rulings on stuff that we'd LIKE to see ruled as legal that currently isn't. The only question along those lines that I'd ask about is how the NFA registry update (under the half million dollar grant from Congress) is going. I wouldn't even appear to be overly interested about that, but it would show that you are reasonably aware of what's going on with the BATF and since they'll be an agency you have a direct responsibility to, that's a good thing. Much better than being totally ignorant, anyway. CJ |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 7:35:42 PM EDT
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Well dont know if this is pertinent anymore or not, but when I had my FFL 10 years ago they came and visited me and mostly wanted to be sure I knew how to keep the records.
I am thinking about applying for one again as I gave mine up after Clinton took office and jacked up the fee and said they were going to weed out the little guys like me. Did you post store hours or are you by appointment only? Can anyone with a FFL tell me, does a firearm have to be shipped to the address on your FFL or can it be shipped to where you work if the gun business is not you full time job? I used to do that all the time. |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 7:41:48 PM EDT
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While we're at it...also, does anyone know if you have to sell a certain number of guns a year, be actively in business, have a storefront, etc. I have heard in the past yes to all these questions, but don't know if it has loosened up any. I assume that it's still a no-no to just order for yourself and friends. I mean, if you are going to sell guns, they want to make sure you sell a lot of them? That makes no sense, but anyhoo they didn't ask me...lol. Thanks for the info folks
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Posted: 3/15/2002 7:54:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well dont know if this is pertinent anymore or not, but when I had my FFL 10 years ago they came and visited me and mostly wanted to be sure I knew how to keep the records. I am thinking about applying for one again as I gave mine up after Clinton took office and jacked up the fee and said they were going to weed out the little guys like me. Did you post store hours or are you by appointment only? Can anyone with a FFL tell me, does a firearm have to be shipped to the address on your FFL or can it be shipped to where you work if the gun business is not you full time job? I used to do that all the time. It must be shipped to the address on your license. That address must be in compliance with all local zoning ordnances. I don't think you can use "by appointment only" any more. You must post hours. Also, you must make a profit. My experiences with them have been downright pleasant. I obtained my FFL in 1993, and just renewed it again. The JBT's must be in a different department than I have dealt with. Every man and woman I've talked with has been very polite, helpful and pleasant. Just answer their questions in a forthright manner. Don't volunteer information, but ask any questions that come to mind. Most of all, show an intention, stated and implied, that you intend to comply with the law. That's all they care about. Act/look like a businessman. They take an interest in your security too. It does not have to be elaborate or expensive. A gun safe is expected, and basic security is to be thought out ahead of time. Things like, someone is always here, the neighbors watch things closely, alarms, location, lighting, etc. are what matter. Good luck. Don't sweat it. |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 7:58:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: While we're at it...also, does anyone know if you have to sell a certain number of guns a year, be actively in business, have a storefront, etc. I have heard in the past yes to all these questions, but don't know if it has loosened up any. I assume that it's still a no-no to just order for yourself and friends. I mean, if you are going to sell guns, they want to make sure you sell a lot of them? That makes no sense, but anyhoo they didn't ask me...lol. Thanks for the info folks You are expected to be actively in business. They ask, upon renewal, how many firearms were obtained using the license, and how many were subsequently disposed of. You do not have to use a storefront, as long as the location does comply with all zoning laws pertaining to a business. Do not fudge on this. They take your word for it, but they have checked up, and any fraudulent answers are a felony. |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 7:59:05 PM EDT
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You don't need a storefront. You do need to adhere to your local zoning ordinances. That is the biggest issue for selling out of your home.
According to ATF regs posted on their site you must have an FFL for each address at which you plan to do business. I believe the gun must be shipped to the address you list on your FFL. I think you are expected to make money and operate as a business. I think that is an issue for renewal but I don't know how much they track that. I plan on building a bus over the next year or two, expanding into gun parts and accessories, hopefully mail order as well and getting out of the doc bus. I figure it will open alot of doors to have an FFL. Hey, I'm the one asking the questions here[+]:D] |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 8:02:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: ....and just be yourself...as long as that's a GOOD thing, mind you! CJ hahaha. Thanks alot, CJ. |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 10:09:08 PM EDT
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Don't sweat the petty shit and don't pet the sweaty shit.
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Posted: 3/16/2002 9:18:31 AM EDT
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Operation Forward Trace
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Posted: 3/16/2002 12:06:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Operation Forward Trace I don't get it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 12:24:57 PM EDT
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I plan on building a bus over the next year or two, expanding into gun parts and accessories, hopefully mail order as well and getting out of the doc bus. I figure it will open alot of doors to have an FFL. [/quote] I don't know what part of the state you're in, but we need that type of business up north. There's very few places to buy guns. There's Walmarts & K-Marts, but not too many gun shops, and the ones there are, don't have much inventory, especially handguns. Parts are almost non-existant, as are gunsmiths. There's not a big population base up here in the boonies, but those who do live here are pretty much into guns to one degree or another. Every year during deer season, I get a couple requests from visiting hunters to fix something that broke on their deer rifle. I'm a locksmith, and I'm pretty well known locally as a serious "gun nut". There's no gunsmiths nearby, and when a hunter with a problem asks around at bait shops, gas stations, etc., for somebody to fix their problem, lots of locals refer them to me. But I don't have an FFL. Many of these problems are easy fixes, but without that FFL, I won't mess with it, other than giving free advice. |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 1:10:07 PM EDT
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[url]www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/enforce/ferris.html[/url]
This operation still continues. |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 1:25:32 PM EDT
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Operation Forward Trace... the Reader's Digest version... they go to manufacturers of such weapons as AR-15 type and Mini-14 rifles, and a few other "bad guns". They get the names of distributors who bought them... from there, the names of FFL's who bought them. From the FFL, they copy his bound book, the 4473's, and are actively making a list of individual gun owners who have "bad guns". Yes, this is illegal, it is specifically spelled out in the law as illegal, ATF has many times been told by congress it is illegal, they are to cease and desist, and yet they are doing it.
If I am in error here, someone please correct me, but this is my understanding of Operation Forward Trace. |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 1:42:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Operation Forward Trace... the Reader's Digest version... they go to manufacturers of such weapons as AR-15 type and Mini-14 rifles, and a few other "bad guns". They get the names of distributors who bought them... from there, the names of FFL's who bought them. From the FFL, they copy his bound book, the 4473's, and are actively making a list of individual gun owners who have "bad guns". Yes, this is illegal, it is specifically spelled out in the law as illegal, ATF has many times been told by congress it is illegal, they are to cease and desist, and yet they are doing it. If I am in error here, someone please correct me, but this is my understanding of Operation Forward Trace. This is my beef with the NRA(to which I am a member). They have millions of dollars of our money. Why don't they file suit against such illegal and unconstitutional intrusions? Our battle can only be won in the courts, where in fact, we have few friends unfortunately. However, there is nowhere else to take this fight. My belief is that they are as interested as the anti's in perpetuating the status quo in order to keep making money. Let's face it. They get plenty of our money and are now just another big business. I'd put them in the same category as the United Way and Red Cross. |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 3:38:59 PM EDT
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On my last visit to the local shop, an employee told me the ffl of record had to submit a floor plan of his house to get renewal. It might be interesting to note the efforts of this friendly visitor to observe the layout of your pad?
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Posted: 3/16/2002 4:25:33 PM EDT
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Yeah, the ATF stopped by my house several months ago when I was going for my C&R License, they told me to bend over and grab my ankles,[b]waitaminute!!![/b], that was something else, anyhow it seemed to be a friendly visit by a very attractive female agent. They just want to make sure you're not some nutcase I suppose. Hey if I can get a C&R license............
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Posted: 3/16/2002 4:40:31 PM EDT
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waverunner: you should of asked her if she was
married and would you like to ???? [:D] |
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Posted: 3/17/2002 9:05:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: On my last visit to the local shop, an employee told me the ffl of record had to submit a floor plan of his house to get renewal. It might be interesting to note the efforts of this friendly visitor to observe the layout of your pad? I can't comment on your friend's situation, but mine just renewed (received it last week) and I did nothing more than pay the fee and complete the renewal application. I had to send a copy to the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) of my county. |
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Posted: 3/18/2002 3:42:46 AM EDT
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What?....They call you first before coming?....That's very unusual.
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Posted: 3/18/2002 4:06:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yeah, the ATF stopped by my house several months ago when I was going for my C&R License, they told me to bend over and grab my ankles,[b]waitaminute!!![/b], that was something else, anyhow it seemed to be a friendly visit by a very attractive female agent. They just want to make sure you're not some nutcase I suppose. Hey if I can get a C&R license............ Damn, they came to your house for a C&R? Must be a NYC thing. Nobody showed up here for mine. |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 10:21:29 AM EDT
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... Dang, and to think, 12 years ago everyone on my block had one as a novelty.
... How's business [b]drjarhead[/b]? |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 1:36:42 PM EDT
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Okay, I've thought about getting a FFL, too, but have heard so damn many conflicting requirements I don't know what to believe.
(1) I have to have a place of business, which can be my home as long as I am not violating zoning requirements? So, for instance, I could probably run "marvl's software consulting" from my home, but not a MacDonnel's franchise? (2) You must be doing it as a real business, which means you must make a profit? Seems like an awful lot of the large corporations that are traded publically on the stock exchanges are losing millions each year. So define profit: "At least a dollar a year?" "At least 100 dollars a year?" "You must lose at least 1 million a year?" Can anyone shred some unrefracted light on this? |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 1:42:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm getting my FFL and they called today. The agent is going to drive 5 hours to come to my house to interview me, etc. Anyone had a similar experience? What can I expect? That the agent will ring the doorbell urgently and ask to use yor bathroom. |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 9:04:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Okay, I've thought about getting a FFL, too, but have heard so damn many conflicting requirements I don't know what to believe. (1) I have to have a place of business, which can be my home as long as I am not violating zoning requirements? So, for instance, I could probably run "marvl's software consulting" from my home, but not a MacDonnel's franchise? (2) You must be doing it as a real business, which means you must make a profit? Seems like an awful lot of the large corporations that are traded publically on the stock exchanges are losing millions each year. So define profit: "At least a dollar a year?" "At least 100 dollars a year?" "You must lose at least 1 million a year?" Can anyone shred some unrefracted light on this? Can't say for sure, but I would be willing to bet that the standard is "trying to make a profit" Like with the IRS. You can loose money, but you must convince them you are conducting a buisiness. ie. Financial records, buisiness hours, advertisements. Certainly, they cannot demand that you make a profit? Can anyone comment on this? |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 9:11:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Operation Forward Trace... the Reader's Digest version... they go to manufacturers of such weapons as AR-15 type and Mini-14 rifles, and a few other "bad guns". They get the names of distributors who bought them... from there, the names of FFL's who bought them. From the FFL, they copy his bound book, the 4473's, and are actively making a list of individual gun owners who have "bad guns". Yes, this is illegal, it is specifically spelled out in the law as illegal, ATF has many times been told by congress it is illegal, they are to cease and desist, and yet they are doing it. If I am in error here, someone please correct me, but this is my understanding of Operation Forward Trace. This is my beef with the NRA(to which I am a member). They have millions of dollars of our money. Why don't they file suit against such illegal and unconstitutional intrusions? Our battle can only be won in the courts, where in fact, we have few friends unfortunately. However, there is nowhere else to take this fight. This is when you quit giving your money to the NRA, which gives exactly two craps about your rights as a gun owner unless all you care about is hunting, and join the GOA. Sad to say, but the NRA is just as bad as the people they claim to be fighting against. If they did their job and actually fought for the controversial things there would be no reason for them to exist. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 10:45:03 PM EDT
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The agent's job is just to ensure that you're a decent guy who doesn't seem like the type who wants to get into gun running or go out in a blaze of glory or anything like that.
Humm...gun running and blaze of glory....has a familiar ring to it for some reason..[thinking] UH_OHHH!!!!![rolleyes] |
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Posted: 6/17/2002 12:00:44 AM EDT
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Here's a question I'd like asked -
"What is the ATF's stance on home-based gun repair outfits?" I'd like to get my FFL and go into some gunsmithing. I have no interest in being a stocking dealer, just occasional repair and perhaps the odd custom build... FFZ [email protected] |
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