PSU Student and the Flawed AR-15

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Posted: 3/8/2010 1:36:49 PM EDT

An interesting article from Oregon Live / The Oregonian. A PSU student gave a presentation discussing the inferiority of the AR-15 in comparison to the AK-47 and is now in hot water for having brought a broken down AR to class for the presentation. Thoughts about either part?

FTA:

"One afternoon last November, a Portland State University economics student gave a class presentation on what he described as the U.S. military's flawed reliance on one of its key combat rifles.

As a visual aid, Zachary Bucharest hauled out a duffel bag and withdrew the disassembled parts of a Colt AR-15, a semiautomatic version of the military M-16. For the next 15 or 20 minutes, he kept professor John Hall's class engrossed as he lectured about the weapon's inferiority to the foreign-made AK-47."

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/confrontation_between_student.html

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:38:33 PM EDT

[#1]

I pulled out some Mosins and Mausers for a WWII presentation in undergrad... and that was only about 4-5 years ago.

No problems (though the people in the classroom, who had no advance notice, were floored. The prof, a Jesuit Korean War vet loved it).

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:40:37 PM EDT

[#2]

Im assuming that there is a no firearms policy for that school. If so I guess he shouldnt have brought one to school.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:40:46 PM EDT

[#3]

If guns aren't allowed on Campus, then they aren't allowed. Would have been a good idea to talk to the campus cops and get a permission letter or somthing. Ar-15>ak47 too

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:40:54 PM EDT

[#4]

He's full of shit.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:42:18 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

I pulled out some Mosins and Mausers for a WWII presentation in undergrad... and that was only about 4-5 years ago.

No problems (though the people in the classroom, who had no advance notice, were floored. The prof, a Jesuit Korean War vet loved it).

I gave a presentation comparing the differences between the M-16/M-4 series and the AK for one of my engineering classes my Junior year of undergrad and had to stick with powerpoint.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:42:59 PM EDT

[#6]

That's what he gets for claiming a AK is superior to a AR.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:45:23 PM EDT

[#7]

That's what he gets for being wrong

ETA: beat by under a minute

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:45:29 PM EDT

[#8]

He probably should have got in trouble for not giving a factual report.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:50:04 PM EDT

[#9]

When I was in school a kid brought a DRAGON MISSILE LAUNCHER to for the current events class. It was AWESOME.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:50:10 PM EDT

[#10]

Watch this:

"We are ..."

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:51:42 PM EDT

[#11]

He brought an AR to class and then called it inferior to an AK?

Yep, he's a fucking idiot.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:56:15 PM EDT

[#12]

Actually read the story...... all sorts of

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:58:03 PM EDT

[#13]

What a fucked up situation. Professor claims student is an FBI informant

Check the teacher's desk, I bet there's a tinfoil hat in there somewhere.

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:58:16 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Actually read the story...... all sorts of

+1

Posted: 3/8/2010 1:58:18 PM EDT

[#15]

I drove a Ford and a Chevy into my classroom to show why one was better than the other and the stupid people at the school expelled me for some dumb-ass reason.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:00:25 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Im assuming that there is a no firearms policy for that school. If so I guess he shouldnt have brought one to school.

Well, assuming he didn't bring the lower receiver, it would be on the school to define "firearm," since what he brought would not qualify as one by any legal definition.

But that's just pure speculation on both our parts.

As to the OP, the only thing the AK has going for it is the piston system - and that's only particularly beneficial if you need a SBR and/or suppressor.

The M-16A2 (and similar versions, including semi- variants) is a true "rifleman's rifle." It is reliable when properly maintained and is capable of repeatable hits on a man-sized target out to 500 yards if the shooter does their part. The same cannot be said of the AK.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:00:57 PM EDT

[#17]

That article jumps all over the place.

I got this much. Isreali sniper sounds full of shit, teacher is a bit off and maybe the student is a fed anyways.

But seriously, the superiority of the AK, really, people play to much call of duty.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:01:32 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
That's what he gets for claiming a AK is superior to a AR.

YEP!

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:02:14 PM EDT

[#19]

but was he professhunal enuff to whip out a gun in a classroom

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:03:23 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
Actually read the story...... all sorts of

Wow, you aren't kidding!

Reading that almost made my head asplode.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:03:24 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
He's full of shit.

This

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:04:17 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Watch this:

"We are ..."

Penn State!

What the fuck is Portland State? PDX.edu is their website.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:06:31 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Actually read the story...... all sorts of

FBI agents in schools promoting violence? Wut?

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:07:32 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually read the story...... all sorts of

+1

+1

Good luck to any jury that has to wade through that mess.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:12:35 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
He's full of shit.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:13:00 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually read the story...... all sorts of

FBI agents in schools promoting violence? Wut?

Which ARF memebers are the Teacher/Student?

That story is

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:13:49 PM EDT

[#27]

So the professor begins to fear that this Guy is mentally unstable, and decides that the best way to deal with it is to devote classtime to calling the Guy out as a government spy, complete with visual aids?

That whole story is as fucked up as a football bat.

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Posted: 3/8/2010 2:22:25 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
He's full of shit.

Anybody who says the AR-15 platform is inferior to the AKM because of DI, is a fucking idiot.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:24:44 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
When I was in school a kid brought a DRAGON MISSILE LAUNCHER to for the current events class. It was AWESOME.

When I was in school, I did a presentation on J. Robert Oppenheimer, and used black powder to create a mushroom cloud.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:25:34 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
He brought an AR to class and then called it inferior to an AK?

Yep, he's a fucking idiot.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:27:35 PM EDT

[#31]

Oregonians

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:28:14 PM EDT

[#32]

sounds like the kid was right on the money. I don't know what was wrong with that we used to bring guns to school and the only time we got in trouble was when a kid brought in a live dud from Fort Dix artillery range

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:32:22 PM EDT

[#33]

Odd go around to say the least.

Both strange.

It will be interesting to see where this goes.

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:34:02 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
Oregonians

Have fun with that AWB.

Californians

( I am from Merced)

Posted: 3/8/2010 2:37:15 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Oregonians

Yeah, you know soon they're going to start invading California

(Born in Eugene, raised in Portland)

Posted: 3/8/2010 3:17:01 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Oregonians

couldnt help yourself could you?

Posted: 3/8/2010 3:34:08 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually read the story...... all sorts of

+1

Seriously. For you ADD kids, story goes like this. Everybody like professor, everybody likes kid. Kid claims to be former IDF sniper, talks a lot about war, killing, bombs, etc. Prof and kid seem to get along, then one day prof goes ape shit and puts up a letter in class that he sent to the FBI saying he knows the kid is a snitch, is being run by FBI and is trying to lure other kids into crimes. Professor is now on paid leave.

Final score, kid seems iffy, prof is deifnitely a nut. Shocker, I know.

Posted: 3/8/2010 3:55:15 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
So the professor begins to fear that this Guy is mentally unstable, and decides that the best way to deal with it is to devote classtime to calling the Guy out as a government spy, complete with visual aids?

That whole story is as fucked up as a football bat.

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Said it better than I could.

I took my Mosin-Nagant in for a class during undergrad. Was presenting on the battle of Stalingrad. Then again, I cleared it with the prof and campus security beforehand.

Posted: 3/8/2010 3:56:31 PM EDT

[#39]

AR > AK

Posted: 3/8/2010 4:14:24 PM EDT

[#40]

Epic fail all around. Paranoid professor who attacks the lifestyle of a student and makes insanely wild accusations publicly. Retarded A student who takes a firearm to class without letting the teacher or campus security know? Poor choice. I know I am going to get flamed for that one, but right or wrong, it sounds like this guy knew the campuses firearms rules. There is a huge amount of BS on both sides of this case. Student made a poor choice, the professor went full retard and made personal, violating attacks on one of the people who looked up to him.