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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:22:44 AM EDT
Raw milk enthusiasts are dead set on exposing themselves to the H5N1 aviary flu virus by drinking contaminated and unpasteurized cow milk, the Los Angeles Times reports.
Mark McAfee, who founded the Raw Milk Institute, told the newspaper that he's been getting inundated with calls from "customers asking for H5N1 milk because they want immunity from it." It's a bizarre reality that flies in the face of a wealth of scientific evidence. We've known about pasteurization's ability to fend off germs and other pathogens for well over 100 years. But that hasn't stopped a group of raw milk enthusiasts from seeking out untreated dairy in their search for purported immune system benefits. .. \The virus was detected in 36 dairy cattle herds across nine US states, but scientists have yet to find any evidence of the virus surviving in any pasteurized milk samples. So far, there's been one case of a dairy worker in Texas who was infected. His symptoms didn't extend beyond a moderate case of pink eye. "Every time it gets a new mammalian host species, like cows, there’s more risk of human transmission and reduced human immunity," Boston University environmental epidemiologist Jessica Leibler told Nature. One study also examined dead barn cats at dairies in Texas and Kansas that were infected by the virus, suggesting that raw milk may be dangerous to other mammals. The research is similar to another study in which cats were infected with the virus. .. "While there have been no known cases of human transmission of H5N1 from raw milk, it’s certainly conceivable that it could happen, and this is a highly fatal virus not just for cats but for humans too," said American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Infectious Diseases chair Sean O'Leary said in a recent statement. In short, drinking raw dairy milk is as bad of an idea as ever. While we still don't know the exact risks involved, it's an extremely ill-advised way to become immune — if that's even possible in the first place. https://futurism.com/neoscope/raw-milk-enthusiasts-demand-milk-infected-avian-flu-h5n1 @Aimless 
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:26:34 AM EDT
[#1]
Freedom is scary , yo. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:28:28 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By markl32: Freedom is scary , yo. Food is scary, yo. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:30:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Admiral_Crunch]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Food is scary, yo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By markl32: Freedom is scary , yo. Food is scary, yo. Scary yo-yos are free |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:31:36 AM EDT
[#4]
 "Weird Al" Yankovic - Dare To Be Stupid (Official HD Video) |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:31:46 AM EDT
[#5]
Poop milk.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:33:27 AM EDT
[#6]
I should be an 1811 for the anti Amish Federal Police. They’ve been pestering the poor Amish around here non stop. I bet it pays good.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:33:54 AM EDT
[#7]
It's rather absurd that the same government who is pushing genital mutilation of children is trying like mad to keep grown adults from eating the food they want to eat.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:34:29 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VidaEterna: I should be an 1811 for the anti Amish Federal Police. They’ve been pestering the poor Amish around here non stop. I bet it pays good. Their kids are healthy and relatively happy. Can't have people asking why, now, can we? |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:34:31 AM EDT
[#9]
Laughs in Smallpox immunity.
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SOM
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:38:58 AM EDT
[#10]
Darwin to loading dock D
Calling Darwin to loading dock D…. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:48:45 AM EDT
[#11]
A virus that has infected two people in 30 years. It doesn’t get much more dangerous than that.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:54:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheAvatar9265ft]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrc777: A virus that has infected two people in 30 years. It doesn’t get much more dangerous than that. ~900 cases in the last 21 years with 463 fatalities. The most recent documented US cases included a dairy worker who got fresh milk in his eye from an infected cow, although he did OK. That people would want raw milk with potentially live virus in it is the height of stupid. You could possibly get infected. Pasteurized milk would have dead virus in it. You cannot get infected. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:56:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: contract]
[#13]
It's not dangerous.
Look at the data. No, not the reporter news media person who doesn't know anything. Shit's stupid to NOT let people do what they want. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:58:30 AM EDT
[#14]
Sounds like a great business opportunity for Alex Jones.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:02:36 PM EDT
[#15]
That website is kind of like they wrote everything while high AF.
The attack on healthy food and beef in particular is real. The globalists want us weak then dead. Limiting access to food or adding “vaccines” to it should be a capital offense. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:04:28 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: Scary yo-yos are free Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: Originally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By markl32: Freedom is scary , yo. Food is scary, yo. Scary yo-yos are free Freed SCARs are like scary yo-yos. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:05:02 PM EDT
[#17]
So, per ARF, is natural immunity a good thing or not? Seems like it depends on which virus we're talking about.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:05:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheAvatar9265ft]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By contract: It's not dangerous. The name for H5N1 is HPAI which literally starts out "Highly Pathogenic" meaning it tends to make you really fucking sick. Over half of the nearly 900 human cases have died from it. It is really good at infecting various animals including cows and birds. Luckily, it hasn't mutated to readily spread from person to person YET, and isn't easy to get YET, but if you get it, your chances are bad. Flu is a RNA virus that mutates at a very high rate. The worry is the more humans that are infected, the higher the chance that H5N1 mutates in a way that adapts it to human spread. So, the raw milkers actively trying to get H5N1 could end up fucking us all... |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:08:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: The name for H5N1 is HPAI which literally starts out "Highly Pathogenic" meaning it tends to make you really fucking sick. Over half of the nearly 900 human cases have died from it. It is really good at infecting various animals including cows and birds. Luckily, it hasn't mutated to readily spread from person to person YET, and isn't easy to get YET, but if you get it, your chances are bad. Flu is a RNA virus that mutates at an a very high rate. The worry is the more humans that are infected, the higher the chance that H5N1 mutates in a way that adapts it to human spread. So, the raw milkers actively trying to get H5N1 could end up fucking us all... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: Originally Posted By contract: It's not dangerous. The name for H5N1 is HPAI which literally starts out "Highly Pathogenic" meaning it tends to make you really fucking sick. Over half of the nearly 900 human cases have died from it. It is really good at infecting various animals including cows and birds. Luckily, it hasn't mutated to readily spread from person to person YET, and isn't easy to get YET, but if you get it, your chances are bad. Flu is a RNA virus that mutates at an a very high rate. The worry is the more humans that are infected, the higher the chance that H5N1 mutates in a way that adapts it to human spread. So, the raw milkers actively trying to get H5N1 could end up fucking us all... Oh no. Anyway. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:10:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey: Oh no. Anyway. Sure... for now... hope it stays that way. People actively trying to get infected might move it from "who cares" to "baaaaaaaaaaad shit." |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:13:56 PM EDT
[#21]
Eat and drink what you want. Accept whatever consequences come with that.
Let them drink. Milk does a body good. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By markl32: Freedom is scary , yo. No different than the AIDS bug chasers. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:18:19 PM EDT
[#23]
have they found bird flu in any raw milk supplies that go to the public? No, this is just more war on Raw Milk.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:18:48 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By markl32: Freedom is scary , yo. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:19:15 PM EDT
[#25]
Never understood people who want to drink raw milk, the list of diseases (tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, and Q-fever ) you can catch from it is just too nasty for me to take the risk.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:19:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheAvatar9265ft]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA: No different than the AIDS bug chasers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeJGA: Originally Posted By markl32: Freedom is scary , yo. No different than the AIDS bug chasers. Those people are fucktards. And you can't get HIV from random strangers unless you let them butt fuck you without a rubber or share needles. Flu is a little easier to get. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:21:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mach]
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……..So far, there's been one case of a dairy worker in Texas who was infected. His symptoms didn't extend beyond a moderate case of pink eye…….
…….. …….. and this is a highly fatal virus not just for cats but for humans too," said……….. So which is it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:23:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Wtf I want to drink contaminated raw milk now
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:24:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HammerHammer]
[#29]
I think it’s dumb to choose raw milk over pasteurized milk but I think it’s equally dumb to try to tell people they can’t have raw milk if that’s what they really want. If I owned a dairy and knew my cows were reasonably healthy I might have raw milk on occasion, but I do appreciate the benefits of having pasteurized milk - like not dying from a terrible infection. Intentionally trying to get infected with live H5N1 by any means is a separate issue that’s so stupid it deserves a medal.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:24:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: ……..So far, there's been one case of a dairy worker in Texas who was infected. His symptoms didn't extend beyond a moderate case of pink eye……. …….. …….. and this is a highly fatal virus not just for cats but for humans too," said……….. So which is it. The opposite of what the government says |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrc777: A virus that has infected two people in 30 years. It doesn’t get much more dangerous than that. According to WHO, "Globally, from 1 January 2003 to 28 March 2024, 888 cases of human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1) virus were reported from 23 countries. Of these 888 cases, 463 were fatal. 52% mortality rate is pretty fuckin high. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:27:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NavyDoc1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: ~900 cases in the last 21 years with 463 fatalities. The most recent documented US cases included a dairy worker who got fresh milk in his eye from an infected cow, although he did OK. That people would want raw milk with potentially live virus in it is the height of stupid. You could possibly get infected. Pasteurized milk would have dead virus in it. You cannot get infected. Just under 900 cases in 21 years worldwide with a world population of 8.1 billion. Those odds cause you to wet your pants? |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:27:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: According to WHO, "Globally, from 1 January 2003 to 28 March 2024, 888 cases of human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1) virus were reported from 23 countries. Of these 888 cases, 463 were fatal. 52% mortality rate is pretty fuckin high. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:30:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheAvatar9265ft]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: ……..So far, there's been one case of a dairy worker in Texas who was infected. His symptoms didn't extend beyond a moderate case of pink eye……. …….. …….. and this is a highly fatal virus not just for cats but for humans too," said……….. So which is it. There is only one case if you only look back 6 weeks in the US. If you look back globally for 21 years, there are about 900 documented cases and more than half have died. H5N1 has been a worry for a while. It is a flu strain that does not easily transmit to humans, much less between humans, YET. The worry is that it could mutate to do so just as we have seen happen with other flu strains in the past: Swine flu in 2009, H3N2 in 1968, H2N2 in 1957, and the Spanish Influenza in 1918. Each of these is a flu strain that was primarily found in animals, went through genetic recombination (mutations), became capable of spreading easily to and between humans, and then spread like wildfire. H5N1 doing that jump has been a fear for decades because it is particularly nasty. We first saw it killing poultry workers in 2003. It was particularly nasty. There were preparations, flock cullings, but luckily it didn't mutate. Drinking unpasteurized milk in general is courting a lot of nasty illnesses, though it is perfectly legal to do. Specifically drinking unpasteurized H5N1 is like tickling the dragon. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:31:55 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Arguably, there's not enough data to know. That doesn't mean anybody should go full bug chaser to find out, but it's only 888 reported cases. It's entirely possible that it has been more widespread, and the majority of infected never got sick enough to go to a clinic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: According to WHO, "Globally, from 1 January 2003 to 28 March 2024, 888 cases of human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1) virus were reported from 23 countries. Of these 888 cases, 463 were fatal. 52% mortality rate is pretty fuckin high. Those are culmative cases, not annual cases. Someone is being dishonest. https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/influenza/h5n1-human-case-cumulative-table/2021_april_tableh5n1.pdf?sfvrsn=fc40672c_5&download=true |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:34:53 PM EDT
[#36]
In addition, from the OP's article,
"While there have been no known cases of human transmission of H5N1 from raw milk, it’s certainly conceivable that it could happen, and this is a highly fatal virus not just for cats but for humans too," said American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Infectious Diseases chair Sean O'Leary said in a recent statement." I don't drink "raw milk", however the article is misleading and salacious for some reason. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:35:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Those are culmative cases, not annual cases. Someone is being dishonest. https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/influenza/h5n1-human-case-cumulative-table/2021_april_tableh5n1.pdf?sfvrsn=fc40672c_5&download=true Nobody is being dishonest as EVERY reference in this thread to the many cases has been very clear that it was over 21 years. So why would you say that? |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:36:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheAvatar9265ft]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: In addition, from the OP's article, "While there have been no known cases of human transmission of H5N1 from raw milk, it’s certainly conceivable that it could happen, and this is a highly fatal virus not just for cats but for humans too," said American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Infectious Diseases chair Sean O'Leary said in a recent statement." I don't drink "raw milk", however the article is misleading and salacious for some reason. It's hard to get. No known cases yet. Actively seeking raw milk specifically containing H5N1 is asking to do one thing: be the first known case of H5N1 from raw milk. That is literally what a bug chaser wants. It's real retarded. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:37:10 PM EDT
[#39]
We’ve drank raw milk from local mennonites and goat milk from our own herd. Like all things proper planning and handling techniques are important.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:37:15 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: Just under 900 cases in 21 years worldwide with a world population of 8.1 billion. Those odds cause you to wet your pants? That's not a good argument for intentionally trying to infect oneself with it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:39:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: Nobody is being dishonest as EVERY reference in this thread to the many cases has been very clear that it was over 21 years. So why would you say that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Those are culmative cases, not annual cases. Someone is being dishonest. https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/influenza/h5n1-human-case-cumulative-table/2021_april_tableh5n1.pdf?sfvrsn=fc40672c_5&download=true Nobody is being dishonest as EVERY reference in this thread to the many cases has been very clear that it was over 21 years. So why would you say that? My bad, I could have sworn someone posted "per year." I might have misread that. REgardless, less than 900 cases in a population of over 8 billion over 21 years with no known transmission ever in the entire world by drinking raw milk, it's pretty idiotic to get excited about it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: It's hard to get. No known cases yet. Actively seeking raw milk specifically containing H5N1 is asking to do one thing: be the first known case of H5N1 from raw milk. That is literally what a bug chaser wants. It's real retarded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: In addition, from the OP's article, "While there have been no known cases of human transmission of H5N1 from raw milk, it’s certainly conceivable that it could happen, and this is a highly fatal virus not just for cats but for humans too," said American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Infectious Diseases chair Sean O'Leary said in a recent statement." I don't drink "raw milk", however the article is misleading and salacious for some reason. It's hard to get. No known cases yet. Actively seeking raw milk specifically containing H5N1 is asking to do one thing: be the first known case of H5N1 from raw milk. That is literally what a bug chaser wants. It's real retarded. People are actively seeking transmission through drinking raw milk or people don't think the "risk" is worth avoiding the milk? THose are two seperate issues. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:40:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: That's not a good argument for intentionally trying to infect oneself with it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Just under 900 cases in 21 years worldwide with a world population of 8.1 billion. Those odds cause you to wet your pants? That's not a good argument for intentionally trying to infect oneself with it. Isn't he a retired chiropractor? His understanding of infectious disease is... limited. Similarly, I don't go to my car mechanic for internet security expertise. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:41:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: That's not a good argument for intentionally trying to infect oneself with it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Just under 900 cases in 21 years worldwide with a world population of 8.1 billion. Those odds cause you to wet your pants? That's not a good argument for intentionally trying to infect oneself with it. We call that "experimental evidence." Are they seeking infection or are trying to prove that there is no risk? |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:42:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NavyDoc1: People are actively seeking transmission through drinking raw milk or people don't think the "risk" is worth avoiding the milk? THose are two seperate issues. Reading is fundimental. From the OP: Mark McAfee, who founded the Raw Milk Institute, told the newspaper that he's been getting inundated with calls from "customers asking for H5N1 milk because they want immunity from it." And that is what we have been discussing. Try to keep up. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:44:15 PM EDT
[#46]
If only the entire health profession hadn't beclowned themselves over COVID, now nobody listens to them.
One of those Unintended Consequences I suppose. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:46:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: Isn't he a retired chiropractor? His understanding of infectious disease is... limited. Similarly, I don't go to my car mechanic for internet security expertise. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: Just under 900 cases in 21 years worldwide with a world population of 8.1 billion. Those odds cause you to wet your pants? That's not a good argument for intentionally trying to infect oneself with it. Isn't he a retired chiropractor? His understanding of infectious disease is... limited. Similarly, I don't go to my car mechanic for internet security expertise. I'm an MD and understand infectious risk. Are you telling me that 900 cases over 21 years in a population of 8.1 billion is a significant risk? I guess you never studied statistics. Do you eat meat? Approximately 70,000 cases of human illness due to E. coli O157:H7 still occur in the United States annually |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:50:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: John_Wayne777]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: According to WHO, "Globally, from 1 January 2003 to 28 March 2024, 888 cases of human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1) virus were reported from 23 countries. Of these 888 cases, 463 were fatal. 52% mortality rate is pretty fuckin high. Contrast that with the roughly 100 people per year killed by eating raw oysters. If you look at sickness from foodstuffs the biggest and most widespread threats usually come from big corporate food concerns...but these kinds of discussions never mention how many recalls and sicknesses or even deaths result from those. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:50:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Grew up on raw milk but wouldn't go looking for infected raw milk.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:53:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Contrast that with the roughly 100 people per year killed by eating raw oysters. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: According to WHO, "Globally, from 1 January 2003 to 28 March 2024, 888 cases of human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1) virus were reported from 23 countries. Of these 888 cases, 463 were fatal. 52% mortality rate is pretty fuckin high. Contrast that with the roughly 100 people per year killed by eating raw oysters. Even better yet, discussing mortality rates: All but a single case, Canada, with a single case and a single fatality, all the other fatalities were in third world shithole countries. Why would all the fatalities be in third world shithole countries? Think about that for a moment. https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/influenza/h5n1-human-case-cumulative-table/2021_april_tableh5n1.pdf?sfvrsn=fc40672c_5&download=true |
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