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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:27:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: I'm pretty sure that's temporary. It is/willbe illegal to say anything not supportive of the government. The potential penalties for violating the rule will scare the crap out of people. Toddlers repeat stuff. Parents and grandparents will aggressively conceal anything anti-russia from kids in an effort to protect themselves and their family. Kids will grow up hearing the propaganda the government wants them to be indoctrinated with. We already know what currently happens to people who just walk around and say stuff, they disappear into cop vans. Current street interviews show people are afraid and they are shutting up or they are repeating the govt talking points. I saw a thing recently where kids who talk to their parents in russia are not believed when they, in ukraine, tell their parents what is going on. The parents say it isn't true. Russia. I see no reason the iron fist will be any less effective this time. And the truth is that lots of russians are all into this "russia strong" ideology. I've seen it with 20-somethings in addition to pensioners. I'll bet the 20-something soviets will be willing to turn in their friends. Most important. Lets say you are right, lets say there are a bunch of russians who don't believe the BS, so what? I don't believe it will make any difference in the real world russia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Lol. Yes, they are still Russians- they just hate what their government is doing. Until Russia has an internal only internet (which they may do, but haven't yet), young people will continue to use their VPNs. You're suggesting the people that left aren't talking to those who didn't? I don't know what else to tell you but you're very wrong, but you always seem to have better information than I do. I'm pretty sure that's temporary. It is/willbe illegal to say anything not supportive of the government. The potential penalties for violating the rule will scare the crap out of people. Toddlers repeat stuff. Parents and grandparents will aggressively conceal anything anti-russia from kids in an effort to protect themselves and their family. Kids will grow up hearing the propaganda the government wants them to be indoctrinated with. We already know what currently happens to people who just walk around and say stuff, they disappear into cop vans. Current street interviews show people are afraid and they are shutting up or they are repeating the govt talking points. I saw a thing recently where kids who talk to their parents in russia are not believed when they, in ukraine, tell their parents what is going on. The parents say it isn't true. Russia. I see no reason the iron fist will be any less effective this time. And the truth is that lots of russians are all into this "russia strong" ideology. I've seen it with 20-somethings in addition to pensioners. I'll bet the 20-something soviets will be willing to turn in their friends. Most important. Lets say you are right, lets say there are a bunch of russians who don't believe the BS, so what? I don't believe it will make any difference in the real world russia. You're basing your views on things you've seen on the internet. That's fair, you don't have any other option. I do though, and am basing it on actual experience. You say it's temporary, and you may be right it depends on if they shut down external internet. As of now though, that IS how it is. People talk to family there all the time. It may or may not make a difference, too many variables to tell at the moment. My point is that you keep making sweeping claims about the Russian people but you simply don't know. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...? Both started filming after an initial hit. The big explosion was a secondary (ammo going off). It may have been a smaller main strike (Byraktar?) that lead to the larger secondaries. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:28:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DK-Prof]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: urm ,  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UKjohn: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By Dominion21: Originally Posted By Freiheit8472: Maybe this counts as some levity? Maybe these Russians were planning to make some propaganda? Who knows. All I know is that EK1 and fieldgrau aren't accurate!  Telegram "A strange company of occupiers came near Izium. They write English-language slogans, draw the letter Z on the helmet and take the "parade" form with them. That's just the parade they do not see, and they remained under the raisins. @LastBP | @UA_struggle" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/4C786062-B315-4C42-80D3-90D8935635B4_jpe-2327728.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/535872EB-053D-45DC-8105-A034C4DA8E67_jpe-2327729.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/539199/0F030671-11BB-42D7-BF3B-BF85CD03E439_jpe-2327730.JPG @DK-Prof @Ben Where did that M2 come from? That looks super-fake. This, on the other hand, looks like it's definitely from Ukraine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/42E3ADCE-8D2A-4B76-957D-F13C9B198A93-2330542.jpg It’s probably someone from that International Legion I keep hearing about. British smock, Danish helmet, Chinese radio, Swedish gun. 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: I hope you're right and I'd love to hear some anecdotal evidence to improve my outlook. With that said, every bit of person to person communications I've seen so far has pointed to them buying the farcical government line. And to the point that they're calling relatives living abroad liars and the actual soldiers in Ukraine ignorant of the situation in Ukraine. That's also anecdotal but based on what's been reported you can't blame people for having a pessimistic outlook. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: It's already undone with much of the younger generation. That's why as of two weeks ago about 250k young Russians left Russia. They're just waiting for the Soviet era folks to die. But I've said this before, and nobody wants to listen so... Yeah. But the iron curtain is now almost closed again and I expect it will stay that way. Toddlers will grow up with the propaganda and hear it reinforced by their grandparents. Their parents will shut the fuck up for fear of being picked up by the secret police. Interviews in russia show it is happening right now. There is a reason those 250k are not staying. Their opinions will not be shared with others in russia. They are basically no longer russians. Lol. Yes, they are still Russians- they just hate what their government is doing. Until Russia has an internal only internet (which they may do, but haven't yet), young people will continue to use their VPNs. You're suggesting the people that left aren't talking to those who didn't? I don't know what else to tell you but you're very wrong, but you always seem to have better information than I do. With that said, every bit of person to person communications I've seen so far has pointed to them buying the farcical government line. And to the point that they're calling relatives living abroad liars and the actual soldiers in Ukraine ignorant of the situation in Ukraine. That's also anecdotal but based on what's been reported you can't blame people for having a pessimistic outlook. I don't blame them. But as I said, I have actual experience.. Yes, the people that refuse to believe are generally the older Soviet generation, and not even all of those believe the lies. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:30:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Jesus, someone needs to make KI4U an updated website. That looks like it came straight outta 1996 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Dig. That KI4U.com company is based in Texas along with Atlas Survival Shelters. Both sell shelters and KI4U has an inexpensive one that will put 4-5 feet of earth above your head. Jesus, someone needs to make KI4U an updated website. That looks like it came straight outta 1996 Thats how you know its good I miss the 90's internet in a lot of ways. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:30:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: R0N]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: We already have it M982 There's some physics issues with guiding a bullet and it costs a lot. M982 is coordinate seeking, the old M712 was laser guided. The M712 entered service in the 80s and first combat use was in Desert Storm. They original built two lots of the rounds, the first with 1 battery and the second with 2 smaller batteries, the two battery version were the last ones withdrawn from service early in the GWOT when all their batteries were dead. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:30:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Both started filming after an initial hit. The big explosion was a secondary (ammo going off). It may have been a smaller main strike (Byraktar?) that lead to the larger secondaries. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By dmjung: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...? Both started filming after an initial hit. The big explosion was a secondary (ammo going off). It may have been a smaller main strike (Byraktar?) that lead to the larger secondaries. I see it now...at first look, the second link didn't appear to be showing anything, but looks like there is a small fire and then the big explosion. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: The old Soviets don’t understand current Russian demographics and have zero idea what they are doing to their country. Don’t get me wrong,I am MUCH happier that Russia’s best and brightest aren’t willing to work for the regime and won’t be there to make the Russian army class of 2040. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By Zhukov: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russians-live-abroad-say-moscow-hardening-views-back-home-rcna20605 Insight into just how effective Russian propaganda is when it is already working on fertile ground. It would take 2 generations to undo that crap. Until russia has good exposure to the rest of the world for 2 generations, russians will continue to be soviets. Americans need to come to the understanding they are not like us and they will not be like us anytime soon. It's already undone with much of the younger generation. That's why as of two weeks ago about 250k young Russians left Russia. They're just waiting for the Soviet era folks to die. But I've said this before, and nobody wants to listen so... The old Soviets don’t understand current Russian demographics and have zero idea what they are doing to their country. Don’t get me wrong,I am MUCH happier that Russia’s best and brightest aren’t willing to work for the regime and won’t be there to make the Russian army class of 2040. Yes, even if I'm right, Russia is still in for a huge demographic collapse made even worse by current events. Young educated people are leaving and it's going to be a disaster |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Does reactive armor actually work? I'm seeing three hits on it with no apparent reaction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Originally Posted By Dracster: Recaptured UA equipment in Kherson region https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_03-38-34_jpg-2330436.JPG Does reactive armor actually work? I'm seeing three hits on it with no apparent reaction. The ERA is designed to not react to machine gun or cannon fire under 30mm. That was someone can't hose it down and blow all the blocks. The hit on the forward side blocks looks like a 30mm. The hit behind it looks like it took out a panel (and displaced 2 others) and mobility killed the tank. The other hit in a tool box. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:36:23 PM EDT
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There is some serious grumbling on pro-Russian telegram channels how the Russian government has failed the Russian army by failing to take, and pulling back from Kiev.
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:36:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Tater head gets to decide if we preemptively strike. Mil decides on retaliatory strikes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By glklvr: Nuclear deterrence works when the other side knows you'll launch too. Biden has demonstrated incoherence, incompetence and waffling. Kamala is in the corner cackling. Does anybody think we'd respond with a nuke if he used a small tactical one? Tater head gets to decide if we preemptively strike. Mil decides on retaliatory strikes. Where do you people get these ideas? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:37:09 PM EDT
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Sounds like the Ukrainians hit a Russian ammo storage dump near the border
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:38:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Don’t assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By kncook: Looks like Ukraine just struck inside Russia near Belgorod. Large explosion looks to be ammo factory. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 Don’t assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. Or just an accident. Especially since one would think an ammo dump close to the border in a conflict would have a lot of traffic and live ammo moving around outside the bunkers. That said, I'm hoping the UA did it. :) |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: M982 is coordinate seeking, the old M712 was the laser guided. They entered service in the 80s. They original built two lots of the rounds, the first with 1 battery and the second with 2 smaller batteries, the two battery version were the last ones withdrawn from service early in the GWOT when all their batteries were dead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: We already have it M982 There's some physics issues with guiding a bullet and it costs a lot. M982 is coordinate seeking, the old M712 was the laser guided. They entered service in the 80s. They original built two lots of the rounds, the first with 1 battery and the second with 2 smaller batteries, the two battery version were the last ones withdrawn from service early in the GWOT when all their batteries were dead. I had been thinking Excalibur had seeking capabilities... I see that's it's position based now after reading up. I guess that article I read (vage gesture) a while ago, was talking about the older stuff. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:43:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: I don't blame them. But as I said, I have actual experience.. Yes, the people that refuse to believe are generally the older Soviet generation, and not even all of those believe the lies. Well, I'll chose to take your word for it then. It beats thinking about generations being enslaved in a new police state. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:44:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: THOT_Vaccine]
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 Failed To Load Title Security cam from Belgorod kaboom Edit Dated MAR 5 ... Recycled news again maybe |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:46:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Or just an accident. Especially since one would think an ammo dump close to the border in a conflict would have a lot of traffic and live ammo moving around outside the bunkers. That said, I'm hoping the UA did it. :) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By kncook: Looks like Ukraine just struck inside Russia near Belgorod. Large explosion looks to be ammo factory. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 Don't assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. Or just an accident. Especially since one would think an ammo dump close to the border in a conflict would have a lot of traffic and live ammo moving around outside the bunkers. That said, I'm hoping the UA did it. :) Even if Ivan was hammering on arty rounds, no one is left to tell the tale. Ukraine might as well take credit either way. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:46:23 PM EDT
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Any idea what this thing is? Caption was: "Ukrainian soldiers walked back to their positions carrying captured Russian weapons after a clash outside of Kharkiv, in eastern Ukraine."
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:46:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UElUT6u60wSecurity cam from Belgorod kaboom I could swear I saw that a few weeks back |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:46:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: I get that, but I think we have done ourselves a great disservice as a nation by not preparing for this moment. Civil defense, nuclear defense, modernizing our own nuclear weapons, etc. All that hasn't been properly funded. Even in the 1980s liberals scoffed at Reagans star wars defense, and they'll been trying to weaken our nuclear defense all the time like they do everything else. Russia may be well ahead of us. I don't know for sure, and probably none of us here really know for certain the extent of our nuclear capabilities and defense compared to theirs, but I am concerned. Do you still punch that bully in the teeth when you are definitely going to lose ? Is that the case here, I don't know but someone probably does. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. Like they invested in their ground forces. Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. Isn’t that the only thing they can say right now? Either way, at some point you have to punch a bully in the teeth. I get that, but I think we have done ourselves a great disservice as a nation by not preparing for this moment. Civil defense, nuclear defense, modernizing our own nuclear weapons, etc. All that hasn't been properly funded. Even in the 1980s liberals scoffed at Reagans star wars defense, and they'll been trying to weaken our nuclear defense all the time like they do everything else. Russia may be well ahead of us. I don't know for sure, and probably none of us here really know for certain the extent of our nuclear capabilities and defense compared to theirs, but I am concerned. Do you still punch that bully in the teeth when you are definitely going to lose ? Is that the case here, I don't know but someone probably does. Russia is not ahead of us in anything defense related. Their bombers and submarines are a joke, ours are the best in the world. There are two legs of the triad. As for land launched ICBMs, not sure. I’d bet parity is the best they could hope for. People fear what they are unsure of. Russia takes advantage of that fear by talking up its capabilities. Russia can’t be allowed to leverage its nuclear weapons to whatever end it chooses. A line needs to be drawn. After they’re allowed to take Ukraine, are they allowed to take their other neighbors? Is a NATO country the line? Everyone’s line is different and Russia will take advantage of the fear and indecisiveness. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:47:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: I could swear I saw that a few weeks back Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UElUT6u60wSecurity cam from Belgorod kaboom I could swear I saw that a few weeks back You did. Look at the date. Edit to OP with speculation |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:48:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: It's a tough life pickin' stones and pullin' teets but, sure as God's got sandals, it beats fighting dudes with treasure trails. How are ya now? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:48:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I hope this is true Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
I'm guessing it is either a false flag or more Russian incompetence. The town listed is about 20 miles across the border, and the north side of Kharkov is about 10 miles from the border and likely Ryssian controlled. I doubt it was a drone. Ukraine supposedly still has a few short range missiles left, so it can't be rules out. 30 miles or so is a long ways for almost anything else. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Russia is not ahead of us in anything defense related. Their bombers and submarines are a joke, ours are the best in the world. There are two legs of the triad. As for land launched ICBMs, not sure. I’d bet parity is the best they could hope for. People fear what they are unsure of. Russia takes advantage of that fear by talking up its capabilities. Russia can’t be allowed to leverage its nuclear weapons to whatever end it chooses. A line needs to be drawn. After they’re allowed to take Ukraine, are they allowed to take their other neighbors? Is a NATO country the line? Everyone’s line is different and Russia will take advantage of the fear and indecisiveness. Comrade Russia submarine stronk!!! 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Russia is not ahead of us in anything defense related. Their bombers and submarines are a joke, ours are the best in the world. There are two legs of the triad. As for land launched ICBMs, not sure. I’d bet parity is the best they could hope for. People fear what they are unsure of. Russia takes advantage of that fear by talking up its capabilities. Russia can’t be allowed to leverage its nuclear weapons to whatever end it chooses. A line needs to be drawn. After they’re allowed to take Ukraine, are they allowed to take their other neighbors? Is a NATO country the line? Everyone’s line is different and Russia will take advantage of the fear and indecisiveness. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. Like they invested in their ground forces. Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. Isn’t that the only thing they can say right now? Either way, at some point you have to punch a bully in the teeth. I get that, but I think we have done ourselves a great disservice as a nation by not preparing for this moment. Civil defense, nuclear defense, modernizing our own nuclear weapons, etc. All that hasn't been properly funded. Even in the 1980s liberals scoffed at Reagans star wars defense, and they'll been trying to weaken our nuclear defense all the time like they do everything else. Russia may be well ahead of us. I don't know for sure, and probably none of us here really know for certain the extent of our nuclear capabilities and defense compared to theirs, but I am concerned. Do you still punch that bully in the teeth when you are definitely going to lose ? Is that the case here, I don't know but someone probably does. Russia is not ahead of us in anything defense related. Their bombers and submarines are a joke, ours are the best in the world. There are two legs of the triad. As for land launched ICBMs, not sure. I’d bet parity is the best they could hope for. People fear what they are unsure of. Russia takes advantage of that fear by talking up its capabilities. Russia can’t be allowed to leverage its nuclear weapons to whatever end it chooses. A line needs to be drawn. After they’re allowed to take Ukraine, are they allowed to take their other neighbors? Is a NATO country the line? Everyone’s line is different and Russia will take advantage of the fear and indecisiveness. I get that I just hope it doesn't end with 100 million dead Americans As far as the nuclear comparison between US/RUS, we don't really know. I hope you're right but there is plenty that disagree with you. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:50:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: The video I looked at sure appeared to have weapons secondaries in the blast. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By kncook: Looks like Ukraine just struck inside Russia near Belgorod. Large explosion looks to be ammo factory. https://mobile.twitter.com/BNONews/status/1508878673021214722 Don't assume it was Ukraine. Could easily be a false flag or Russians against the war sabotaging it. The video I looked at sure appeared to have weapons secondaries in the blast. Anyone could have done it, for now |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:53:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
[#29]
ETA Those coordinates put it next to Belgorod Intl Airport. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:54:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: You did. Look at the date. Edit to OP with speculation Just saw your edit.. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:56:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: M982 is coordinate seeking, the old M712 was laser guided. The M712 entered service in the 80s and first combat use was in Desert Storm. They original built two lots of the rounds, the first with 1 battery and the second with 2 smaller batteries, the two battery version were the last ones withdrawn from service early in the GWOT when all their batteries were dead. They must have found batteries because copperhead was given to Lebanon in bulk and expended against ISIL. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:56:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Well, I'll chose to take your word for it then. It beats thinking about generations being enslaved in a new police state. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I don't blame them. But as I said, I have actual experience.. Yes, the people that refuse to believe are generally the older Soviet generation, and not even all of those believe the lies. Well, I'll chose to take your word for it then. It beats thinking about generations being enslaved in a new police state. Don't misunderstand me- that may happen. Just because I'm right doesn't mean it won't, the Russians that can't stand it are leaving. Will those who stay be able to make Russia better once the old soviets die? Nobody knows. I'm simply saying many Russians find this situation disgusting, and many even that stay don't buy the propaganda. Nobody knows if that's enough to make a difference. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:57:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: I had been thinking Excalibur had seeking capabilities... I see that's it's position based now after reading up. I guess that article I read (vage gesture) a while ago, was talking about the older stuff. There are experimental developments ongoing to incorporate laser or millimeter wave guidance into Excalibur. It is internally funded by the contractor. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:57:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:57:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:58:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmjung: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
Interesting that the camera happened to be pointing in exactly the right direction that night to show the initial explosion. Security cam or somebody knew...? There are millions of cameras in Russia, nothing special. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:59:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: I get that I just hope it doesn't end with 100 million dead Americans As far as the nuclear comparison between US/RUS, we don't really know. I hope you're right but there is plenty that disagree with you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By mercersfinest4: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: I wouldn't be surprised if they are more prepared for nuclear war then us. We haven't really taken nuclear preparation serious for a long time. I bet they've spent the money to keep some of stuff ready. Like they invested in their ground forces. Dangerous gamble to play. Possible they focused on their nuclear forces because they knew their ground forces couldn't compare. I believe they've said as much. Isn’t that the only thing they can say right now? Either way, at some point you have to punch a bully in the teeth. I get that, but I think we have done ourselves a great disservice as a nation by not preparing for this moment. Civil defense, nuclear defense, modernizing our own nuclear weapons, etc. All that hasn't been properly funded. Even in the 1980s liberals scoffed at Reagans star wars defense, and they'll been trying to weaken our nuclear defense all the time like they do everything else. Russia may be well ahead of us. I don't know for sure, and probably none of us here really know for certain the extent of our nuclear capabilities and defense compared to theirs, but I am concerned. Do you still punch that bully in the teeth when you are definitely going to lose ? Is that the case here, I don't know but someone probably does. Russia is not ahead of us in anything defense related. Their bombers and submarines are a joke, ours are the best in the world. There are two legs of the triad. As for land launched ICBMs, not sure. I’d bet parity is the best they could hope for. People fear what they are unsure of. Russia takes advantage of that fear by talking up its capabilities. Russia can’t be allowed to leverage its nuclear weapons to whatever end it chooses. A line needs to be drawn. After they’re allowed to take Ukraine, are they allowed to take their other neighbors? Is a NATO country the line? Everyone’s line is different and Russia will take advantage of the fear and indecisiveness. I get that I just hope it doesn't end with 100 million dead Americans As far as the nuclear comparison between US/RUS, we don't really know. I hope you're right but there is plenty that disagree with you. We don’t get to pick what Putin chooses to do. We do get to pick what we do back to him and we need to make it hurt a lot worse than he thinks it will. No sane person wants to see WMDs deployed. It may not be our call. Hand wringing doesn’t make the possibility disappear. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:59:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: God look at how black that soil is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: Originally Posted By Dracster: A column of T-80s found a bog. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_04-35-05_jpg-2330446.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_04-35-06_jpg-2330447.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/48680/photo_2022-03-29_04-35-08_jpg-2330448.JPG God look at how black that soil is. That's one reason they can grow so much food. Fertile nutrient rich soil. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 3:59:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:00:54 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: I'm guessing it is either a false flag or more Russian incompetence. The town listed is about 20 miles across the border, and the north side of Kharkov is about 10 miles from the border and likely Ryssian controlled. I doubt it was a drone. Ukraine supposedly still has a few short range missiles left, so it can't be rules out. 30 miles or so is a long ways for almost anything else. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:01:17 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: There are experimental developments ongoing to incorporate laser or millimeter wave guidance into Excalibur. It is internally funded by the contractor. Excal N5 was developed with IRAD and the first version was a laser seeker and subsequent versions to include a 155mm version have alternate means of terminal guidance. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: ODA Like I said 900 pages ago. 18X are there That would be former 18 series my man. 18X just means a guy off the street who joined the army with a contract to attempt SF. If he makes it through, then he gets a real 18 series MOS identifier. B= Weapons, C= Engineer, D=Medic, etc. If he fails out….Needs of the Army. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:05:06 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: To hell with proportional responses. Seriously responding to nuking Ukraine by nuking Ukraine is not a good plan. Could just nuke that Palace Putin built for himself on the Black Sea. Supposedly cost over a billlion dollars. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:05:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krater: Any idea what this thing is? Caption was: "Ukrainian soldiers walked back to their positions carrying captured Russian weapons after a clash outside of Kharkiv, in eastern Ukraine." https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/03/29/multimedia/29ukraine-blog-header-2pm/29ukraine-blog-header-2pm-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp DSHK Receiver? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:10:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1545451241/master-blaster_400x400.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Who does run the government? https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1545451241/master-blaster_400x400.jpg 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:12:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Don't misunderstand me- that may happen. Just because I'm right doesn't mean it won't, the Russians that can't stand it are leaving. Will those who stay be able to make Russia better once the old soviets die? Nobody knows. I'm simply saying many Russians find this situation disgusting, and many even that stay don't buy the propaganda. Nobody knows if that's enough to make a difference. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I don't blame them. But as I said, I have actual experience.. Yes, the people that refuse to believe are generally the older Soviet generation, and not even all of those believe the lies. Well, I'll chose to take your word for it then. It beats thinking about generations being enslaved in a new police state. Don't misunderstand me- that may happen. Just because I'm right doesn't mean it won't, the Russians that can't stand it are leaving. Will those who stay be able to make Russia better once the old soviets die? Nobody knows. I'm simply saying many Russians find this situation disgusting, and many even that stay don't buy the propaganda. Nobody knows if that's enough to make a difference.  I guess at this point all you can ask for is that they have a chance. I really wish there was more effort on the West's part to try to cut through the propaganda. IDK, maybe there is and I just haven't seen it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:12:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
Sabotage! |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:13:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Where do you people get these ideas? I really don’t know but it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on their part in regards to how the US conducts military actions. Hell, a few pages back someone was advocating use of 117’s for nuclear missions into Russia. Perhaps in 2 or 3 more pages we can spitball using F4’s or 105’s for SEAD. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:17:29 PM EDT
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 This has got to be the 50th photo I've seen with a random parking lot and parted out old ass trucks... They are cannibalizing five or six to keep two going. Which makes me think the supply issues are understated. Mark my words, the drafted "reinforcements" are going to be fighting from old ass Ladas |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 4:18:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: I really don’t know but it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on their part in regards to how the US conducts military actions. Hell, a few pages back someone was advocating use of 117’s for nuclear missions into Russia. Perhaps in 2 or 3 more pages we can spitball using F4’s or 105’s for SEAD. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Where do you people get these ideas? I really don’t know but it demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on their part in regards to how the US conducts military actions. Hell, a few pages back someone was advocating use of 117’s for nuclear missions into Russia. Perhaps in 2 or 3 more pages we can spitball using F4’s or 105’s for SEAD. At least those had SEAD versions back in the day. Was the F-117 ever a dual-capable aircraft? |
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