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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:19:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:20:21 AM EDT
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I think it was the English Channel
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:21:45 AM EDT
[#3]
Don't forget the United States of America.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:22:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: 1. The Supermarine Spitfire. 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. Great thing they saved Britain for the Pakistani Occupation. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:22:30 AM EDT
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The Hurricane did more work than the Spitfire during the Battle of Britian.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:23:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: 1. 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. FIFY |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:23:30 AM EDT
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Pretty sure Hitler just wanted a separate peace with Britian so he could keep fighting the Russian Communists.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:24:36 AM EDT
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Couldn't have been anything to do with the air battles over England with radar or the war on other fronts. But our information now has to be put in small, "exciting" morsels like "the 2 reasons Germany didn't do X". Wish people studied history in more depth.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure Hitler just wanted a separate peace with Britian so he could keep fighting the Russian Communists. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:25:35 AM EDT
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Hurricane did the heavy work
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:25:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it was the English Channel It was the English Channel and Hitler using England as a distraction so Stalin would not expect the invasion. I wonder if Churchill had negotiated a peace with Germany if there would still ne an actual English Empire, and the Queen’s diamond jubilee might have had a Royal Navy as strong as her coronation’s instead of the canoes in the Thames. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:26:04 AM EDT
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1. The Royal Navy
2. Goering |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:29:03 AM EDT
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The accidental bombing of London on August 24 saved Britain.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:30:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: 1. The Supermarine Spitfire. 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. You forgot the Merchant Marine. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:30:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:30:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: 1. The Supermarine Spitfire. 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. You're 100% correct. Unfortunately, it set them up for the mudslime invasion of the 2000's. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:31:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it was the English Channel It makes a pretty good moat |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:32:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: 1. The Supermarine Spitfire. 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. Maybe a reasonably successful evacuation of British/French troops from Dunkirk as well. Losing most of that force would have really hurt the Brits, especially in the short term. Also worth mentioning... radar in Southern England. Without that the RAF would have had a much harder job. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:32:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP without searching Google, do you recognize this picture and what it represents? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346870/6280989013_cf4ae814fc_b_jpg-2231354.JPG |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:33:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. Battle of Britain: 10 July – 31 October 1940 Pearl Harbor: December 7, 1941 I think you need to study more. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:34:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Battle of Britain: 10 July 31 October 1940 Pearl Harbor: December 7, 1941 I think you need to study more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. Battle of Britain: 10 July 31 October 1940 Pearl Harbor: December 7, 1941 I think you need to study more. Hitler would have gotten back around to Britain if America hadn't entered the war. Sure as hell. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:36:19 AM EDT
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OP how many destroyer and battleships operated around Britain and west of Britain in 1940 and 1941? What percentage was shipping from USA was successfully blocked by Germany? Where was Rommel in 1940 and 1941 in Afrika at the time? Maybe these had something to do as well....
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:38:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hitler would have gotten back around to Britain if America hadn't entered the war. Sure as hell. He was trying to work out a peace deal with Halifax in 1940 but Churchill wanted to continue the war. How sincere Hitler was is obviously up for interpretation. The German war in the west was about righting perceived wrongs done by the Treaty of Versailles as opposed to the knife fight with the Communists raping and murdering their way across Europe in the East. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:39:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it was the English Channel This. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:39:47 AM EDT
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Pearl Harbor more than anything. It brought the U.S. into the war, and that was the kiss of death for Germany. That's not meant to be a humble brag for the U.S., but the industrial power that was put online for the war was impossible to overcome in the long run. And a big element of that industrial power was the fact that it was more or less out of range for the Axis powers.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:40:08 AM EDT
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Originally posted by Winston Curchill: Now at this very moment I knew that the United States was in the war, up to the neck and in to the death. So we had won after all! ... How long the war would last or in what fashion it would end no man could tell, nor did I at this moment care ... We should not be wiped out. Our history would not come to an end ... Hitler's fate was sealed. Mussolini's fate was sealed. As for the Japanese, they would be ground to a powder. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:42:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP how many destroyer and battleships operated around Britain and west of Britain in 1940 and 1941? What percentage was shipping from USA was successfully blocked by Germany? Where was Rommel in 1940 and 1941 in Afrika at the time? Maybe these had something to do as well.... Meh. The Germans took a leisurely cruise up the Channel in their big ships right under the Brits nose. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:45:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP how many destroyer and battleships operated around Britain and west of Britain in 1940 and 1941? What percentage was shipping from USA was successfully blocked by Germany? Where was Rommel in 1940 and 1941 in Afrika at the time? Maybe these had something to do as well.... Nope. If the British hadn't won the Battle of Britain with the Supermarine Spitfire, forestalling Operation Sealion (or some other iteration of the same intent) and if America hadn't entered The War then the Brits would be eating sauerkraut and wearing lederhosen today. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:48:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. Wrong. Battle of Britain ended in Oct of 1940, 14 months prior to Pearl Harbor. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:49:45 AM EDT
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Failure to knock out the Soviets in Barbarossa was probably a bigger factor. By the end of 1941 they were locked in a front that stretched from Baltic to the Black Sea with no prospect of quick victory. Once they launched Barbarossa the war in the east became the prime German focus. Everything else was a secondary consideration.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:50:50 AM EDT
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In mid-December 1940, Roosevelt introduced a new policy initiative whereby the United States would lend, rather than sell, military supplies to Great Britain for use in the fight against Germany.
A year before Pearl Harbor. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:51:06 AM EDT
[#32]
I immediately thought their Airforce, but yes you're right.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:53:26 AM EDT
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The early Spitfire wasn't that great until it got 130 octane fuel.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:55:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's bullshit. He wanted to take Stalin down worse than he wanted to take down Britain, but he wanted to take down Britain. At some point he had ambitions of teaming up with the Brits. There was a certain logic to it- don't fuck with the Germans on land or the English at sea. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:57:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. If the British hadn't won the Battle of Britain with the Supermarine Spitfire, forestalling Operation Sealion (or some other iteration of the same intent) and if America hadn't entered The War then the Brits would be eating sauerkraut and wearing lederhosen today. No those aren't important. Only the speed and armament of one type of fighter plane was the sole reason. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 2:58:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. The Germans took a leisurely cruise up the Channel in their big ships right under the Brits nose. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:03:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think it was the English Channel It |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:05:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: 1. The Supermarine Spitfire. 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. This is what happens when someone is educated by the media and not the actual study of history. The hurricane did most of the fighting, the early versions of the spitfire MK Is and some MK IIs were not as abundant. 372 fought in the battle. 709 Hurricanes took part in the Battle of Britain and had 60% of the air victories. Attack on Pearl Harbor took place in 1941, the Battle of Britain in 1940. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:13:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Hurricane did more work than the Spitfire during the Battle of Britian. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:19:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what happens when someone is educated by the media and not the actual study of history. The hurricane did most of the fighting, the early versions of the spitfire MK Is and some MK IIs were not as abundant. 372 fought in the battle. 709 Hurricanes took part in the Battle of Britain and had 60% of the air victories. Attack on Pearl Harbor took place in 1941, the Battle of Britain in 1940. Stop with all of the facts, ain't nobody got time for facts. Nerd! I hated to say it, but someone had to say it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:24:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know the Germans enjoyed naval dominance over England throught WW2. I better go back and get rid of all my books on the subject. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh. The Germans took a leisurely cruise up the Channel in their big ships right under the Brits nose. Here is a video for you.   Channel Dash; Scharnhorst and Gneisenau Run the British Blockade - Animated |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:24:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Failure to knock out the Soviets in Barbarossa was probably a bigger factor. By the end of 1941 they were locked in a front that stretched from Baltic to the Black Sea with no prospect of quick victory. Once they launched Barbarossa the war in the east became the prime German focus. Everything else was a secondary consideration. Attacking the Soviets was a huge gamble. They needed the oil for their war economy to be sure, but there must have been alternatives. Perhaps the Germans would have been better served by making concessions to the Soviets in exchange for oil. Combine this with synthetic refineries and maxing out production in Romania and it could have been enough. They could focus on Britain and the Mediterranean and make real gains. Despite all the anti-Soviet rhetoric from Hitler, the Molotov-Rittentrop pact was honored so there was some goodwill for diplomacy. All the consolidation of forces on the Western front and Mediterranean might have forced a conclusion of the war before the use of atomic weapons. There are so many what ifs in WWII. The Axis powers could have probably won the war if they made better strategic decisions. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:42:26 AM EDT
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More importantly was the Poles breaking the Enigma code then turning it over to the surprised Brits who then made the code breaking more efficient.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:46:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it was the English Channel This. Notice how countries that are islands rarely get invaded? Or it is so difficult it becomes impossible. England USA Japan Australia New Zealand |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:47:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it was the English Channel Yeah, I would have said the channel, winter, and the assistance from the usa. Even the spitfire was a force because the USA was supplying high-octane fuel to let Britain squeeze more power out of them. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 3:55:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Notice how countries that are islands rarely get invaded? Or it is so difficult it becomes impossible. England USA Japan Australia New Zealand Or the state of Hawaii…… Came for the purse swinging, was not disappointed. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 4:22:14 AM EDT
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Lend lease helped prop up the Russians which dragged on with the Germans and also help support the British.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 4:32:01 AM EDT
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Winston Churchill and the Lee Enfield battle rifle.
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Posted: 1/7/2022 4:35:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget the United States of America. |
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Posted: 1/7/2022 4:39:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hitler would have gotten back around to Britain if America hadn't entered the war. Sure as hell. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 2. The Attack on Pearl Harbor. Battle of Britain: 10 July 31 October 1940 Pearl Harbor: December 7, 1941 I think you need to study more. Hitler would have gotten back around to Britain if America hadn't entered the war. Sure as hell. I think Hitler was kinda busy by then somewhere in the Soviet Union, freezing his balls off. After the BOB Britain was safe for a long time. Hitler did not have the Navy to cross the channel. |
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