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Posted: 10/20/2017 5:53:45 AM EDT
A federal appeals court gave the go-ahead Thursday to activists seeking to overturn California's 145-year ban on commercial sex.
A three-judge panel of 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the plaintiffs' legal challenge against the ban may proceed. The plainitiffs say the current law violates the right to engage in consensual sex, as described in a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that revoked criminal laws against gay sexual acts, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. "I believe people in this country have the right to act this way and to make a living this way," attorney Louis Sirkin told a judicial panel, KTVU-TV reported. California banned prostitution in 1872, defining “every common prostitute” as a “vagrant” subject to a $500 fine and six months in jail. The law slightly changed in the 1960s, the Chronicle reported, by branding prostitution or soliciting prostitution as disorderly conduct, punishable with a $1,000 fine and six months in jail. The legal challenge was brought by three ex-prostitutes, a would-be client, and ESPLER (Erotic Service Providers Legal, Educational and Research Project). They received good news Thursday after the 9th Circuit judges hinted that some scrutiny of the law was needed. “Why should it be illegal to sell something that it’s legal to give away?” Judge Carlos Bea asked, as the Chronicle reported. Judge Consuelo Callahan seconded, saying prostitution – like gay sex – had been “subject to moral disapproval.” Because the Supreme Court case dealt with “individual rights,” the right to prostitution could be “a natural extension of Supreme Court precedent,” she said. Deputy Attorney General Sharon O’Grady fired back at the suggestion, saying the difference between the legalization of prostitution and gay sexual activity was “the commercial aspect ... the commodification of sex.” “The state is not telling anyone who they can sleep with,” she said, but noted that banning prostitution was “an easy place to draw the line" to protect against violence, drug use and trafficking. U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White rejected the challenge last year, saying the 2003 Supreme Court ruling was concerning intimate personal relationship and did not apply to commercial sex, adding that California justified the law against prostitution as a deterrence to violence against women, sexually transmitted diseases and human trafficking, according to the Chronicle. View Quote |
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What a cruel joke after they no longer make it a felony to give people aids.
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Do it for womenz rights to spread their legs faster than butter on bread.
More seriously, prostitution is more of a health issue than a criminal justice issue. It should be regulated via licensing and zoning, taxed (for health care) as well as having its workers inspected regularly for public health purposes. It's a waste of law enforcement resources to go after 'hos. |
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so being against prostitution is misogynist. and using one is also misogynist.
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Banning prostitution is one vice that nobody can make a decent argument for, without quoting scriptures.
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Banning prostitution is one vice that nobody can make a decent argument for, without quoting scriptures. View Quote All that said; the legal system in this country has become self-aware. They are self perpetuating so this 'ruling' doesn't surprise me. Follow the money. |
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That's the point. Laws are morals codified. Go ahead and keep loosing the moral high ground... it's been working out so well for this country. All that said; the legal system in this country has become self-aware. They are self perpetuating so this 'ruling' doesn't surprise me. Follow the money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Banning prostitution is one vice that nobody can make a decent argument for, without quoting scriptures. All that said; the legal system in this country has become self-aware. They are self perpetuating so this 'ruling' doesn't surprise me. Follow the money. If you want to take the moral high ground, thats your decision as an individual. Forcing everyone by law to abide by your morals is abhorent, aka progressivism. |
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Banning prostitution is one vice that nobody can make a decent argument for, without quoting scriptures. View Quote |
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Banning stuff based on biblical principles is progressivism. And progressivism is the cancer eating our country. If you want to take the moral high ground, thats your decision as an individual. Forcing everyone by law to abide by your morals is abhorent, aka progressivism. View Quote Progressivism is also relativistic and materialistic. Morals under progressivism is not what you seem to think it is. You also seem to be completely unaware that all laws involve forcing people to live according to the moral principles of the legislator. Why is theft prohibited? Because there is a moral determination that it is bad sufficiently to warrant coercion against those who engage in the practice. If you remove morality from the equation, even very indirect morality, then why have any laws at all? Why prohibit theft? When it comes down to it, the difference in the laws is the moral principles upon which they are based, and Christian ones are superior to those of the progressives, which of course wouldn't be possible if they were the same (which they are not). Your statement couldn't be more wrong. |
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Do it for womenz rights to spread their legs faster than butter on bread. More seriously, prostitution is more of a health issue than a criminal justice issue. It should be regulated via licensing and zoning, taxed (for health care) as well as having its workers inspected regularly for public health purposes. It's a waste of law enforcement resources to go after 'hos. View Quote |
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That's the point. Laws are morals codified. Go ahead and keep loosing the moral high ground... it's been working out so well for this country. All that said; the legal system in this country has become self-aware. They are self perpetuating so this 'ruling' doesn't surprise me. Follow the money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Banning prostitution is one vice that nobody can make a decent argument for, without quoting scriptures. All that said; the legal system in this country has become self-aware. They are self perpetuating so this 'ruling' doesn't surprise me. Follow the money. It's a heathen's paradise... |
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Prostitution around the globe is wrought with forced sex slavery, most of them children. Impossible to fully regulated, STD and other health concerns, accelerated drug usage. View Quote |
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Prostitution around the globe is wrought with forced sex slavery, most of them children. Impossible to fully regulated, STD and other health concerns, accelerated drug usage. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm guessing this has taxation written all over it. The amount of black market revenue (without taxation in this country)
is staggering at best and that is why the individual income tax should be canned and a VAT implemented. Them Hos need to pay their fair share. |
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Rejection of Biblical principles and of the Christian pillar at the foundation of Western civilization is progressivism. Progressivism, the "cancer" you speak of, completely rejects what you claim it stands for, and supports what you seem to be okay with. Progressivism is also relativistic and materialistic. Morals under progressivism is not what you seem to think it is. You also seem to be completely unaware that all laws involve forcing people to live according to the moral principles of the legislator. Why is theft prohibited? Because there is a moral determination that it is bad sufficiently to warrant coercion against those who engage in the practice. If you remove morality from the equation, even very indirect morality, then why have any laws at all? Why prohibit theft? When it comes down to it, the difference in the laws is the moral principles upon which they are based, and Christian ones are superior to those of the progressives, which of course wouldn't be possible if they were the same (which they are not). Your statement couldn't be more wrong. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Banning stuff based on biblical principles is progressivism. And progressivism is the cancer eating our country. If you want to take the moral high ground, thats your decision as an individual. Forcing everyone by law to abide by your morals is abhorent, aka progressivism. Progressivism is also relativistic and materialistic. Morals under progressivism is not what you seem to think it is. You also seem to be completely unaware that all laws involve forcing people to live according to the moral principles of the legislator. Why is theft prohibited? Because there is a moral determination that it is bad sufficiently to warrant coercion against those who engage in the practice. If you remove morality from the equation, even very indirect morality, then why have any laws at all? Why prohibit theft? When it comes down to it, the difference in the laws is the moral principles upon which they are based, and Christian ones are superior to those of the progressives, which of course wouldn't be possible if they were the same (which they are not). Your statement couldn't be more wrong. Why prohibit theft? Because there is a victim. The absence of all laws is anarchy. The presence of only laws protecting individual rights is freedom. |
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A federal appeals court gave the go-ahead Thursday to activists seeking to overturn California's 145-year ban on commercial sex.
A three-judge panel of 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the plaintiffs' legal challenge against the ban may proceed. The plainitiffs say the current law violates the right to engage in consensual sex, as described in a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that revoked criminal laws against gay sexual acts, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. "I believe people in this country have the right to act this way and to make a living this way," attorney Louis Sirkin told a judicial panel, KTVU-TV reported. California banned prostitution in 1872, defining “every common prostitute” as a “vagrant” subject to a $500 fine and six months in jail. The law slightly changed in the 1960s, the Chronicle reported, by branding prostitution or soliciting prostitution as disorderly conduct, punishable with a $1,000 fine and six months in jail. The legal challenge was brought by three ex-prostitutes, a would-be client, and ESPLER (Erotic Service Providers Legal, Educational and Research Project). They received good news Thursday after the 9th Circuit judges hinted that some scrutiny of the law was needed. “Why should it be illegal to sell something that it’s legal to give away?” Judge Carlos Bea asked, as the Chronicle reported. Judge Consuelo Callahan seconded, saying prostitution – like gay sex – had been “subject to moral disapproval.” Because the Supreme Court case dealt with “individual rights,” the right to prostitution could be “a natural extension of Supreme Court precedent,” she said. Deputy Attorney General Sharon O’Grady fired back at the suggestion, saying the difference between the legalization of prostitution and gay sexual activity was “the commercial aspect ... the commodification of sex.” “The state is not telling anyone who they can sleep with,” she said, but noted that banning prostitution was “an easy place to draw the line" to protect against violence, drug use and trafficking. U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White rejected the challenge last year, saying the 2003 Supreme Court ruling was concerning intimate personal relationship and did not apply to commercial sex, adding that California justified the law against prostitution as a deterrence to violence against women, sexually transmitted diseases and human trafficking, according to the Chronicle. View Quote View Quote I am %1000 ok with this. |
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Nobody "wants" to be a garbage man. View Quote yeah, totally the same. |
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“Why should it be illegal to sell something that it’s legal to give away?” Judge Carlos Bea asked, as the Chronicle reported. View Quote |
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Rejection of Biblical principles and of the Christian pillar at the foundation of Western civilization is progressivism. Progressivism, the "cancer" you speak of, completely rejects what you claim it stands for, and supports what you seem to be okay with. Progressivism is also relativistic and materialistic. Morals under progressivism is not what you seem to think it is. You also seem to be completely unaware that all laws involve forcing people to live according to the moral principles of the legislator. Why is theft prohibited? Because there is a moral determination that it is bad sufficiently to warrant coercion against those who engage in the practice. If you remove morality from the equation, even very indirect morality, then why have any laws at all? Why prohibit theft? When it comes down to it, the difference in the laws is the moral principles upon which they are based, and Christian ones are superior to those of the progressives, which of course wouldn't be possible if they were the same (which they are not). Your statement couldn't be more wrong. View Quote I am not a devoutly religious person, but I think that you can pin the decline of the US directly on the decline of individuals' self-policing morals. Our form of government (as originally designed) depends upon a majority of its citizens doing the right thing even when the government is not watching. Despite liberals' belief, a democratic/republican government cannot possibly enforce all of the laws upon all of the people all of the time. A totalitarian government is much better at that. |
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Pretty easy to differentiate in this thread between virgin spergs and people who've had relationships with women.
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I frankly don't care if bein a ho is legal or not.
Not a service I will partake in, not because of any moral objection, I am too fucking cheap to pay someone to have sex with me. Maybe if my girlfriend left me and I lost use of both of my hands somehow. That said, I thought leftists objected to "sex work" due to it being exploitive to women, demeaning and horribly sexist. Maybe California is only going to allow LGBT sex workers or something. |
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Rejection of Biblical principles and of the Christian pillar at the foundation of Western civilization is progressivism. Progressivism, the "cancer" you speak of, completely rejects what you claim it stands for, and supports what you seem to be okay with. Progressivism is also relativistic and materialistic. Morals under progressivism is not what you seem to think it is. You also seem to be completely unaware that all laws involve forcing people to live according to the moral principles of the legislator. Why is theft prohibited? Because there is a moral determination that it is bad sufficiently to warrant coercion against those who engage in the practice. If you remove morality from the equation, even very indirect morality, then why have any laws at all? Why prohibit theft? When it comes down to it, the difference in the laws is the moral principles upon which they are based, and Christian ones are superior to those of the progressives, which of course wouldn't be possible if they were the same (which they are not). Your statement couldn't be more wrong. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Banning stuff based on biblical principles is progressivism. And progressivism is the cancer eating our country. If you want to take the moral high ground, thats your decision as an individual. Forcing everyone by law to abide by your morals is abhorent, aka progressivism. Progressivism is also relativistic and materialistic. Morals under progressivism is not what you seem to think it is. You also seem to be completely unaware that all laws involve forcing people to live according to the moral principles of the legislator. Why is theft prohibited? Because there is a moral determination that it is bad sufficiently to warrant coercion against those who engage in the practice. If you remove morality from the equation, even very indirect morality, then why have any laws at all? Why prohibit theft? When it comes down to it, the difference in the laws is the moral principles upon which they are based, and Christian ones are superior to those of the progressives, which of course wouldn't be possible if they were the same (which they are not). Your statement couldn't be more wrong. |
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WTF? Union job, great benefits, easy hours, and job stability vs Standing on a corner wearing trashy cloths, hoping to god the next no name fellow who drives up doesn't kill you, or give you AIDS, and hopefully your "manager' will be pleased by what you bring him after a long shift...? yeah, totally the same. View Quote |
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Dude that bs. In europe its legal regulated and clean. Its legal in canada to. You really think the government should have a say who you give cash to fpr fucking? View Quote My bet is there are more unclean, enslaved, AIDs ridden hookers working in the USA than in Thailand. |
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Doesn't matter if it's cash up front, dinner and a movie, or buying a house, it's rarely free. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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This is the point. Do you think the hot 21 yo driving the Bentley her 60 yo husband bought her is any different ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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“Why should it be illegal to sell something that it’s legal to give away?” Judge Carlos Bea asked, as the Chronicle reported. |
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One can safely assume if they will put the pussy on a pedestal, for sale, that a penis will also be there, for sale.
That would be the California way. |
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Do it for womenz rights to spread their legs faster than butter on bread. More seriously, prostitution is more of a health issue than a criminal justice issue. It should be regulated via licensing and zoning, taxed (for health care) as well as having its workers inspected regularly for public health purposes. It's a waste of law enforcement resources to go after 'hos. View Quote |
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WTF? Union job, great benefits, easy hours, and job stability vs Standing on a corner wearing trashy cloths, hoping to god the next no name fellow who drives up doesn't kill you, or give you AIDS, and hopefully your "manager' will be pleased by what you bring him after a long shift...? yeah, totally the same. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nobody "wants" to be a garbage man. yeah, totally the same. |
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Prostitution is a huge untaxed underground economy. Perhaps even bigger than marijuana.
There is no federal prohibition on it. So once CA legalizes it, there is no banking issue. CA sees $$$. . |
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Prostitution is a huge untaxed underground economy. Perhaps even bigger than marijuana. There is no federal prohibition on it. So once CA legalizes it, there is no banking issue. CA sees $$. . View Quote Where exactly is the problem? Or you can bust both, then pay court fees and maybe food and board on them in the jail. I've never had to pay for it but I don't give a shit if others sell or buy it. Don't give two shits about pot or gambling either. All 3 should be legal, you know... free country and all |
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Do it for womenz rights to spread their legs faster than butter on bread. More seriously, prostitution is more of a health issue than a criminal justice issue. It should be regulated via licensing and zoning, taxed (for health care) as well as having its workers inspected regularly for public health purposes. It's a waste of law enforcement resources to go after 'hos. View Quote |
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That's the point. Laws are morals codified. Go ahead and keep loosing the moral high ground... it's been working out so well for this country. All that said; the legal system in this country has become self-aware. They are self perpetuating so this 'ruling' doesn't surprise me. Follow the money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Banning prostitution is one vice that nobody can make a decent argument for, without quoting scriptures. All that said; the legal system in this country has become self-aware. They are self perpetuating so this 'ruling' doesn't surprise me. Follow the money. |
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Torn on this: On one hand, people should be able to choose to do what they want. Female has a commodity men want, there is a market, it’s being done anyway, prohibition doesn’t work. You’re paying for it one way or another.
On the other hand; Sex trafficking, abuse. STDs/STIs, even if there is mandatory testing, it still takes 4-6wks for some STDs to show up on a test. Beats me what the right thing to do is. Seems to work out okay in other Western countries. |
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People act like prostitution is some kind of "new plague" upon the moral righteousness of the USA.
It's not called "the world's oldest profession" for nothing. It even seems to me that whorehouses have been a staple of the Wild West and port cities since there was such a thing. Regulating it isn't going to make the non-regulated activities just "go away" and while it's not something I'd be proud of supporting or adding to my hometown, it's even more ridiculous to criminalize it like we're doing now. It literally solves nothing by locking up hookers and johns. Human trafficking and pimping is a whole different matter and should absolutely be illegal and prosecuted to the greatest extent. Didn't read the link but decriminalization would be a step in the right direction. |
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Torn on this: On one hand, people should be able to choose to do what they want. Female has a commodity men want, there is a market, it’s being done anyway, prohibition doesn’t work. You’re paying for it one way or another. On the other hand; Sex trafficking, abuse. STDs/STIs, even if there is mandatory testing, it still takes 4-6wks for some STDs to show up on a test. Beats me what the right thing to do is. Seems to work out okay in other Western countries. View Quote |
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Screwing = OK
Screwing for money = Bad! Screwing for money on camera = OK |
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Patriarchy with lifetime monogamy and bans on no-fault divorce and alimony was pussy socialism.
Prostitution free-for-alls would be capitalism. Both are unattractive to mainstream American women because they privilege male narratives over hypergamy. |
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Screwing = OK Screwing for money = Bad! Screwing for money on camera = OK View Quote Family guy - prostitution vs porn |
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In Berlin Germany its legal. If California does it the tourism will go through the roof.
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Torn on this: On one hand, people should be able to choose to do what they want. Female has a commodity men want, there is a market, it’s being done anyway, prohibition doesn’t work. You’re paying for it one way or anothe View Quote |
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Torn on this: On one hand, people should be able to choose to do what they want. Female has a commodity men want, there is a market, it’s being done anyway, prohibition doesn’t work. You’re paying for it one way or another. On the other hand; Sex trafficking, abuse. STDs/STIs, even if there is mandatory testing, it still takes 4-6wks for some STDs to show up on a test. Beats me what the right thing to do is. Seems to work out okay in other Western countries. |
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